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Animals are here for us to kill, eat..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 941 ✭✭✭pheasant tail


    jaxxx wrote: »
    I love how all this talk of 'animals' is always from a third person perspective. Newsflash, we're animals. Other animal species don't exist for the sole purpose of ending up on our plates. We're not some sort of special species magically chosen by some all powerful giant flying spaghetti monster in outer space, we're just another species of animal. In our particular case, we're omnivores. From a biological perspective, we're not meant to eat only plants or only other animals. We wouldn't have evolved canine teeth if we were to be completely herbivorous. FFS our closest living relatives, chimpanzees, aren't exclusively herbivorous either! They eat insects and hunt smaller mammals as well. Nature is all about balance. You can't have balance when only one side of the scales is weighted!

    Many true herbivores have canine teeth! And a lot more serious looking than our flat things!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    tuxy wrote: »
    I think eating animals will continue to be fine once we find a way of reducing the human population by a few billion.
    If we fail and the human population continues to grow I don't see how eating real non synthetic meat will be possible for most of the population.

    I'm very interested in the synthetic meat initiative. I'm also wary of technological fixes.

    Brave new world and all. I do hope it works out though. The population problem is real though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 941 ✭✭✭pheasant tail


    mickdw wrote: »
    The ones I've meet here, at the farm gate are all of the opinion that it would be so much better if the lambs weren't being put to death. After responding that they wouldn't be alive if there wasn't a market for meat, one couple argued that th e animal did nothing to deserve death and should be allowed to live a full natural life.
    Another Looney told me.to my face that any person that can send his animals for slaughter is evil and that the grass grows from the land freely and the animal has a right to graze freely.
    I'm fairly happy with my opinion of vegan types.

    Sure all vegans in the world must be the very same as the ones that landed to your gate so 😊. But I agree with everything above apart from the part about farmers been evil, they ain’t of course!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,587 ✭✭✭Feisar


    As soon as I meat a "woke" bear I'll change my perception.

    Effing vegans, unfortunately one cannot live in the western world and not be a detriment to the planet. A 2 min youtube vid takes 2 AA batteries worth of power for example.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    tuxy wrote: »
    I think eating animals will continue to be fine once we find a way of reducing the human population by a few billion.
    If we fail and the human population continues to grow I don't see how eating real non synthetic meat will be possible for most of the population.


    #1 problem in the world right there: overpopulation. More humans = more land required for farming, regardless of whether you're farming plants or animals. How much more space are we gonna strip away from 'the wild' so that we continue to feed ourselves? Earth is not big enough to accommodate 8 billion humans, even though we're not at 8 billion quite yet. Jesus 100 years ago the global population was only about 1/4 of what it is now. More and more nature stripped away so we can feed ourselves. All that habitat loss, countless extinctions of animal and plant life. Major losses in global biodiversity. But all we care about is arguing about what we should be eating, not the irreversible damage we're causing to every other form of life on the planet.


    ^^ I've absolutely no plans on adding to aforementioned problem btw just in case anyone wants to make a quick witty comeback.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Like most issues, I think this one will be decided not through a moral lens, but more through the objective and economic forces.

    Politics and human will do play some role, but I believe that most social change comes from brute forces of economic reality.

    Slavery died because of the industrial revolution, not because we became more morally enlightened.

    Women got "equal" (explicit) pay because it hit the bottom line of the bosses.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,592 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I swear to God all these stupid threads whinging about vegans have me on the verge of going vegan just to spite the 'how do you know someone's a vegan, hurr hurr hurr' people


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I swear to God all these stupid threads whinging about vegans have me on the verge of going vegan just to spite the 'how do you know someone's a vegan, hurr hurr hurr' people

    Hey, it makes a change from the gender debate, eh? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,230 ✭✭✭jaxxx


    I swear to God all these stupid threads whinging about vegans have me on the verge of going vegan just to spite the 'how do you know someone's a vegan, hurr hurr hurr' people





    :pac::pac::pac:




  • touts wrote: »
    Veganism is a by product of first world luxury and excess. There are no vegans in a famine.

    True. But you could accurately apply the same line to cannibalism.

    Human flesh is no different to any other meat.


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  • As far as I am concerned I will continue to eat, and agree with animals being eaten, for the rest of my life as will my children (if I have that influence)

    MMMM.. meat! What if it is your children who are being eaten? Don't forget, they are made of meat too. MMM.... meat!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    True. But you could accurately apply the same line to cannibalism.

    Human flesh is no different to any other meat.

    Well, except for Kuru and other diseases caused by cannibalism. Cannibalism causes issues such as this in most species.




  • tuxy wrote: »
    Well, except for Kuru and other diseases caused by cannibalism. Cannibalism causes issues such as this in most species.

    Only if you eat the brain, tuxy, but an interesting point. Perhaps this is why we don't find any animal brain in the meat counter at Tesco.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Yes i agree with that big time.

    I do think veganism is to some extent, selfish,

    People with nothing to eat in the world, and vegans turning down meat as it is not 'right'

    No such thing as veganism in third world countries, or even many other countries, Turkey, Africa, etc.

    Yeh, just about 400 million indians, is all


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Yeh, just about 400 million indians, is all

    I think they are vegetarian actually, not vegan.

    But we have to agree, surely, that keeping a goat in your garden so you could have yoghurt is a vast difference to cutting down the rainforests to make happy meals as a commodity for the Western population.

    Context, people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,176 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I am bombarded with facebook posts from vegan peers, convincing me to 'wake up' to what we are putting 'innocent' animals through etc etc.


    Can someone please enlighten me?

    I have my fair share of vegan and non vegan tips i agree and don't agree with,


    However just fail to understand why there is a minority trying to change the world as we know it,

    As far as I'm concerned, killing animals has gone back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue to do so, thats, in my opinion, what animals are here for.


    I'm really not one of those 'anti vegan' I respect and value the information I gather from these people while I make my decision as to whether or whether not killing animals is a positive thing in terms of morals


    But surely morals don't come into it? We are animals and animals are here for us to kill and eat, surely suggesting anything else is being in denial of what or who we truly are?

    When down the line of humanity did all of a sudden people begin to think animals had feelings? Why are people only saying this in the last few years?

    As far as I am concerned I will continue to eat, and agree with animals being eaten, for the rest of my life as will my children (if I have that influence)


    Animals are here due to evolution.

    Their existence was not arranged for our benefit.

    People have known animals have feelings since there were people.

    The first law to pass for the regulation of treatment of cattle and horses was in 1822. The RSPCA was formed 2 yrs later.

    What you eat is none of my business. What you tell your children is none of my business either.

    I'm not going to crucify you. I don't think you are a bad person. I do think you are being very over dramatic though.

    My only option really with someone who disagrees with me is to agree to disagree and move on.

    When you read literature from the past with animals in it. It's clear people thought they had feelings. People in the past worked with animals a lot more. Most people are not close to animals today and have never been apart from the odd cat or dog.

    When life is tough for people it gets tougher for animals. When its easier it gets easier for them too.




  • It's always amusing how people talk about their love of eating meat and think they are talking about other animals. Not realising they are made of meat themselves.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    tuxy wrote: »
    Well, except for Kuru and other diseases caused by cannibalism. Cannibalism causes issues such as this in most species.

    Indeed. Animals have been eating meat since the dawn of time. And yes us humans are animals too. However carnivores (and by extension other meat eaters) have been shown to be biologically programmed to generally avoid eating other carnivores

    The bulk of prey species eaten are herbivores - all part of entrophy and recycling of nutrients in the ecosystem.

    As humans evolved and took to agriculture they learned to domesticate some of these herbivore species - feed them, protect them from predation and illness then (humanly) kill and eat them.
    An international team of researchers led by the University of Granada (UGR) has explained for the first time the scientific basis of the old Spanish saying 'perro no come perro' (dog eats no dog): for a carnivorous animal, eating carrion of another carnivore, especially if it is of the same species, increases the probability of contracting pathogens that could endanger its life.

    https://m.phys.org/news/2017-12-carnivores-carnivore-carcasses-transmits-diseases.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    If there was a nuclear war tomorrow and feck all left for me and my family to eat I'd eat a human without a second thought.
    What would make that a wrong thing to do..


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,946 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    italodisco wrote: »
    If there was a nuclear war tomorrow and feck all left for me and my family to eat I'd eat a human without a second thought.
    What would make that a wrong thing to do..

    Nope. Not at all.

    It's a matter of choices and necessity.

    If one of your children died first, would you eat her?

    Because if you don't, someone else will.

    We're one nuclear war away from savegry.


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  • italodisco wrote: »
    If there was a nuclear war tomorrow and feck all left for me and my family to eat I'd eat a human without a second thought.
    What would make that a wrong thing to do..

    Was necessary in the past and will be necessary in the future. The only people who could see it as wrong are the Vegans, surely?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    It's always amusing how people talk about their love of eating meat and think they are talking about other animals. Not realising they are made of meat themselves.

    Even more amusing when people buy organic chicken because they claim to care about how the chickens were kept!

    Its like, if im gonna be a meat eater I can't exactly be a hypocrite and pretend to care about how that chicken slept..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,440 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Each to their own, live and let live. Plenty of people become vegan and never talk about it, their personal choice.

    vegans who endlessly talk about their choice and how it makes them superior are a complete irritation.

    Extremists however need to be addressed. They want to force their beliefs into everyone removing personal choice from everyone. They often abuse and demean people who don’t agree with them turning to intimidation and violence to make their point. These people are pure fascists and need to be called out for that at every opportunity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian. The planet would be a better place if we all ate less meat. The seas are almost out of fish too.

    India, with an out of control population and a holy river full of unholy things floating in it. Yep very environmental alright.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,585 ✭✭✭Jerichoholic


    When down the line of humanity did all of a sudden people begin to think animals had feelings? Why are people only saying this in the last few years?

    OP has never had a pet obviously.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭Mousewar


    For most of our history it was necessary to kill animals and eat them to survive. It's no longer necessary. So why are we doing it? For taste and convenience. Is that enough justification for you to kill an animal? If it is then fine. For others, it simply isn't.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    Was necessary in the past and will be necessary in the future. The only people who could see it as wrong are the Vegans, surely?

    Vegans along with left wing 'woke' types and those who believe in the sky unicorn known as God.

    The rest of us can feast.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,426 ✭✭✭italodisco


    India, with an out of control population and a holy river full of unholy things floating in it. Yep very environmental alright.

    Their river is 90% mix of bodies and huge hairy turds

    Winning


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,570 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    India, with an out of control population and a holy river full of unholy things floating in it. Yep very environmental alright.

    who said they were environmental? It's a festering overpopulated kip, which is probably the direction most of the world is headed. They don't pollute anywhere near as much per capita as your average European does however.


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