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Has ignoring red lights gotten a lot worse?

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    #242
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    that may be true, but it's beyond reasonable doubt that more people run reds because they know they'll get away with it.

    To be honest I would say bad traffic flow managment is also not helping. The sequence of the lights behind custom house for example if your coming down Gardiner Street is pretty bad most times if your heading towards the bridge over. Many times your stuck on a red there when the other road not only has a green light but the Luas junction before it is red. There's also another set further up Gardiner St which tends to give priority at times to the side road with very little traffic over the main road which has a fair bit. This kind of bad sequencing can lead to bad habits as people will try to get through the light's to avoid being trapped at the junction.


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    #243
    pclive
    Registered Users Posts: 453 ✭✭pclive


    Infini wrote: »
    This kind of bad sequencing can lead to bad habits as people will try to get through the light's to avoid being trapped at the junction.

    Or just prioritising public transport perhaps?

    There are a lot of buses exiting from Talbot Street

    Luas also gets priority


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    #244
    trellheim
    Registered Users Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭trellheim


    This kind of bad sequencing can lead to bad habits as people will try to get through the light's to avoid being trapped at the junction.
    A few heads on spikes. That is zero excuse for illegal behaviour. If there's no space to pull to without blocking the junction then you plain dont move .... otherwise hand the driving license in, you'll have done us all a favour.


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    #245
    downtheroad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    Anybody else noticing cars who get caught between junctions because they enter yellow boxes, then the lights turn red but they drive through them once pedestrians have passed? I see it every day in city centre and also at the junction where Malahide Road begins in Fairview.

    Yellow boxes are largely ignored these days as far as I can see.


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    #246
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if you do know of a set of traffic lights where the sequence does not make sense, maybe just email traffic@dublincity.ie and bring it to their attention.


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    #247
    cdaly_
    Registered Users Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭cdaly_


    Driving the other day, turning right from Griffith Ave to Malahide Road, I ended up blocking somebody who was going straight on against me as I had started turning on amber. They hadn't even cleared the footpath on their road. I paused a bit before moving on as they gestured for me to get of their way so they could run the red light.

    By the time I cleared the junction, the light was green for Malahide Road traffic but they proceded to drive across six lanes of traffic 'cos they had started to run a red light so they were entitled to continue...


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    #248
    Ohmeha
    Registered Users Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭Ohmeha


    Breaking red lights has become an epidemic in dublin, particular in the city though I see it enough in quiet suburban roads. 3 times in past 5 years I've had near misses crossing road with the green man with zero near misses in previous 26 years...


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    #249
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    pclive wrote: »
    Or just prioritising public transport perhaps?

    There are a lot of buses exiting from Talbot Street

    Luas also gets priority

    Ones Im mentioning aren't the ones for the Luas stop its the ones past it on the Y junction directing the flow towards the bridge over the liffey the ones between those at the luas set and the set at the bridge. They actually work against the busses coming out of Busaras too as you can be stuck at that junction while the lights are red at the luas junction and green at the bridge and by the time they switch you get caught at the bridge instead.


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    #250
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Empty DB collided with a tram on Queenstreet injuring 8 (4 Luas staff) wonder if the lights were red...

    https://www.twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1106847358707486720


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    #251
    ebbsy
    Registered Users Posts: 6,737 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Empty DB collided with a tram on Queenstreet injuring 8 (4 Luas staff) wonder if the lights were red...

    https://www.twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1106847358707486720

    Jesus Christ. Somebody made a grave error there.

    My money is on the bus driver. ...????


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    #252
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that must have been quite a shunt to push the luas that far off the tracks.


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    #253
    Jamie2k9
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    When I first posted I didn't see the pic. Given the damage the bus must have been going at speed or the Luas was in the wrong.


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    #254
    PWEI
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    Eyewitnesses said the bus had the green light and the LUAS went through their red light.
    Imagine the amount of injury claims are going to be put in by the passengers on both the bus & luas. If it’s true the the driver should get sacked.


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    #255
    magicbastarder
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    the bus was empty, driver only.


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    #256
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    I wouldnt be so quick to just play the blame game expecially since we dont know what actually happened or if something distracted the driver of either vehicle.

    For all we know the fault could be mechanical as well.


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    #257
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Infini wrote: »
    I wouldnt be so quick to just play the blame game expecially since we dont know what actually happened or if something distracted the driver of either vehicle.

    For all we know the fault could be mechanical as well.

    I agree still closed and suspect RAIU will be publishing a report.

    Its been said online the bus had a green light and judging by damage it appears very likely.


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    #258
    Losty Dublin
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    PWEI wrote: »
    Eyewitnesses said the bus had the green light and the LUAS went through their red light.
    Imagine the amount of injury claims are going to be put in by the passengers on both the bus & luas. If it’s true the the driver should get sacked.

    Luas trams don't have regular road traffic lights. They have a basic stop or go line side signal for them. They are normally interlocked to road traffic signals to limit the chances of a collision. Luas and Dublin Bus buses both have forward facing cameras it will be easy to ascertain if their respective traffic signal gave them permission to move off. If they both had a clear signal then there's gonna be problems, big problems ahead.


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    #259
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 10,667 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    Luas trams don't have regular road traffic lights. They have a basic stop or go line side signal for them. They are normally interlocked to road traffic signals to limit the chances of a collision. Luas and Dublin Bus buses both have forward facing cameras it will be easy to ascertain if their respective traffic signal gave them permission to move off. If they both had a clear signal then there's gonna be problems, big problems ahead.

    Would be amazed if both showed go, most accidents have one party at fault.

    One option is the Luas clearance timed out and the tram got caught. Usually happens if the tram is held up and doesn’t move after 10 seconds.


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    #260
    Losty Dublin
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Would be amazed if both showed go, most accidents have one party at fault.

    One option is the Luas clearance timed out and the tram got caught. Usually happens if the tram is held up and doesn’t move after 10 seconds.

    They shouldn't but it is possible. One of the reasons why the 2009 Luas crash case collapsed was because the Luas signal was shown that it could have clashed with the traffic signal.


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    #261
    Jamie2k9
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    Losty Dublin wrote: »
    They shouldn't but it is possible. One of the reasons why the 2009 Luas crash case collapsed was because the Luas signal was shown that it could have clashed with the traffic signal.

    Not read the report in a few years but the RAIU stated the tram proceeded through a stop signal partly obstructed by sunlight. Guess it will be a year or so before the ultimate cause of this crash is revealed assuming RAIU investigate.


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    #262
    yer man!
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Would be amazed if both showed go, most accidents have one party at fault.

    One option is the Luas clearance timed out and the tram got caught. Usually happens if the tram is held up and doesn’t move after 10 seconds.

    This happened me the end of Amiens street at Connolly. My light turned green and a tram had just started to cross the junction. Thought it was really odd, I reported it to Luas operations and they said they'd look into it but it never went anywhere after that.


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    #263
    Jamie2k9
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    yer man! wrote: »
    This happened me the end of Amiens street at Connolly. My light turned green and a tram had just started to cross the junction. Thought it was really odd, I reported it to Luas operations and they said they'd look into it but it never went anywhere after that.

    That junction is the worst and the amount of times the signal times out becauses cars are blocking the box. What you describe sounds like it was passenger at danger unless they were passed it already.

    From experience they will have looked into it and disciplined if somebody was at fault.

    Luas rely on drivers to report passing incorrect signals. in 2017 28 were reported.


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    #264
    fritzelly
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    Surely the traffic light/camera system would pay for itself in no time (especially in Dublin) - works everywhere else in the world, even going past the white line triggers the fine/points. Hell I bet a private company would jump at the chance to provide the cameras on a commission basis
    As a driver I would never go thru even an amber light unless it was literally changing as I was passing but it pisses me off no end when people go thru reds and it's never one, there is always 2 or 3 others following. You're waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing and by the time it's safe the lights gone red for you and there's another rake of cars flying thru. Trucks, buses, taxis - are just as bad and you would think they would be the safest drivers on the roads as their job depends on having a licence. But no enforcement so no one cares.


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    #265
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Well, there are traffic ANPR cameras installed at the level crossing at Sydney Parade. There are two blue signs either side of the crossing warning motorists of the fact that these cameras can/will be used for enforcement. The one on the Ailesbury Road side is in English and hidden be a tree that is overgrowing the sign. The other one is in Irish.

    I have never heard of anyone being prosecuted for running the red light. The judgement is red but whether the driver can get across before the gate closes and I have seen some close calls. They can also detect speed, and the speed limit is 30 Km/h, and again many vehicles exceed 50 km/h.


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    #266
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Are they Irish Rail ones? As in they will be used if Irish Rail report the issue eg gate strike, that's what I always presumed as the number of chancers says to me it's not automatic or monitored


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    #267
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,362 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Are they Irish Rail ones? As in they will be used if Irish Rail report the issue eg gate strike, that's what I always presumed as the number of chancers says to me it's not automatic or monitored

    They are IR, but the notice implies that action will be taken. However, there is no sign of any enforcement - a bit like their approach to fare evasion.


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    #268
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,309 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i think IR have cameras at most crossings in dublin, but was not aware that any were specifically ANPR ones.


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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    They are IR, but the notice implies that action will be taken. However, there is no sign of any enforcement - a bit like their approach to fare evasion.
    The train is the ultimate enforcer!


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    #270
    ED E
    Registered Users Posts: 36,164 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Surely the traffic light/camera system would pay for itself in no time (especially in Dublin) - works everywhere else in the world, even going past the white line triggers the fine/points. Hell I bet a private company would jump at the chance to provide the cameras on a commission basis
    As a driver I would never go thru even an amber light unless it was literally changing as I was passing but it pisses me off no end when people go thru reds and it's never one, there is always 2 or 3 others following. You're waiting to cross at a pedestrian crossing and by the time it's safe the lights gone red for you and there's another rake of cars flying thru. Trucks, buses, taxis - are just as bad and you would think they would be the safest drivers on the roads as their job depends on having a licence. But no enforcement so no one cares.

    We have them. They're turned off.


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    Zipppy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,054 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    I think one of the issues with zero tolerance is that drivers could become paranoid about it and start jamming on on amber with possible rest end collisions ensuing..or not..


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