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Garda shoots dog in Longford

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  • #32
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    I don’t see any dog being shot.


    Yeah he appears to be a stealth dog.


  • #33
    Topgear on Dave
    Registered Users Posts: 4,519 ✭✭✭Topgear on Dave


    SuperS54 wrote: »
    Find it strange that a Garda would not use a clip on tie, there wouldn't have been a problem, other than the loss of a tie, if he had.

    I doubt it. We dont get the full story here.

    Who goes to work and wants to put up with that sh*te too.


  • #34
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    tuxy wrote: »
    You're right, the travellers do not own the van.

    The van had been left with them for repair and it's claimed the detective is helping him get his van back after a dispute over the repair bill.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2018/1130/1014383-longford/



    Gardaí say a major criminal gang with strong links in the UK was behind the operation of a so-called ‘Chop Shop’ in Co Longford

    Dozens of doors and engines for Ford Transit vans were among the items recovered by gardaí.


  • #35
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Doesn’t show him shooting a dog it all, just seems that he’s putting one in the fella’s leg for grabbing his tie. The video doesn’t clearly show what happened at all really.

    I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying, he had a multitude of options available to him and seemed to jump on the decision to shoot someone pretty quickly. Putting a bullet in a person is a serious thing and in my opinion not an immediate option for general loutishness. That having been said, maybe he did justifiably shoot a dog and the fella took a ricochet. Who knows really?

    I’m sure this thread will be full of hearty cheers for a cop shooting a Traveller doing the bollix, but at the end of the day give the state of our police force I wouldn’t be too eager to be lauding them banging people whenever they feel like it. If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.


  • #36
    Captain Obvious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Doesn’t show him shooting a dog it all, just seems that he’s putting one in the fella’s leg for grabbing his tie. The video doesn’t clearly show what happened at all really.

    I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying, he had a multitude of options available to him and seemed to jump on the decision to shoot someone pretty quickly. Putting a bullet in a person is a serious thing and in my opinion not an immediate option for general loutishness. That having been said, maybe he did justifiably shoot a dog and the fella took a ricochet. Who knows really?

    I’m sure this thread will be full of hearty cheers for a cop shooting a Traveller doing the bollix, but at the end of the day give the state of our police force I wouldn’t be too eager to be lauding them banging people whenever they feel like it. If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.


    All the reporting seems to support the story of a dog being shot dead. So does what the Garda is saying. "I'll put a bullet in him. Get him to let go." And the traveller shouting "watch out, watch out" was likely saying watch out for the dog. I'm curious though, if it was the man pulling his tie down and the Garda was using one hand to hold his gun away and the other to try get the tie back, what were all the options you think he had to take on the two people?


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Right at the beginning of the video, in the first few seconds, the traveller has his left arm on the van but his right arm appears to be holding something nearer to the ground. I think that’s the dog being held.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
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    yeah that response is rubbish

    few more armed gardai putting bullets in legs or thighs of anyone who thinks they can put hands on a officer, be no bad thing at all


  • #39
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    yet AGAIN, its travellers.

    Always effin travellers - if they are not scamming elderly people, they are scamming insurance or thieving from shops or robbing houses left right and centre.


    Utter XXXX.


  • #40
    [Deleted User]
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying..........If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.

    If a person pulls a gun, whether legally or not, and you're dumb enough to grab them by the tie.....you deserve to get shot, IMO. Why would you want to get into a 'bit of a scuffle' with an armed guard? :confused:


  • #41
    Get Real
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭Get Real


    Of course we can't see a dog in the video.

    Screaming Mary there wouldn't show anything from the waist down, lest it portray the actual situation and scupper her compo case.


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  • #42
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    See when the camera pans out I don’t see any dog? He video doesnt show any dog at any stage. Surely if the German Shepard had have jumped up and caught the guard’s tie then he’d have been visible? As I said, maybe it did happen and the video is just unclear and misleading - a common occurrence.

    What would I expect the guard to do if someone did grab him? Whack him in the face with the gun perhaps? Call for help? CS spray him? A scuffle can’t be reason to shoot someone. I remember seeing a brawl outside a pub and guards were getting grabbed and knocked over while trying to break it up, I wouldn’t have thought that them going around shooting people in the legs would have been a proportionate response.


  • #43
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,770 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    You can train a dog but you can't train....


  • #44
    [Deleted User]
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Doesn’t show him shooting a dog it all, just seems that he’s putting one in the fella’s leg for grabbing his tie. The video doesn’t clearly show what happened at all really.

    I think the lad who got shot was doing the absolute fool but the idea an armed cop would shoot someone for grabbing his tie is pretty worrying, he had a multitude of options available to him and seemed to jump on the decision to shoot someone pretty quickly. Putting a bullet in a person is a serious thing and in my opinion not an immediate option for general loutishness. That having been said, maybe he did justifiably shoot a dog and the fella took a ricochet. Who knows really?

    I’m sure this thread will be full of hearty cheers for a cop shooting a Traveller doing the bollix, but at the end of the day give the state of our police force I wouldn’t be too eager to be lauding them banging people whenever they feel like it. If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.

    He had his gun drawn so in that situation I don't see how he could not use it. Especially when it's 2-on-1. They knew he had the gun, he warned them several times to stop and to let go.

    How do you know they're travellers? Bit racist.


  • #45
    piplip87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭piplip87


    What people are missing here is if your on first name basis with an armed detective your either a neighbor, friend or ...........

    These people are known to Gardai, the gaurd would not have produced a weapon unless he had a reason too. There's more to this than meets they eye as usual the recording starts when the Gaurd shows up but no reason as to why he was there


  • #46
    beertons
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    Was the dog hholding the camera? Bit shakey, I've seen worse.


  • #47
    [Deleted User]
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    Surely the Garda had good reason to have his gun drawn in the first place. He was then left with only one free hand which he needed to use to grab at his own tie.

    These videos only really show what they want you to show. Like c’mon, a fella gets shot in the foot and the woman still just carries on recording! If that were my husband (not that either of us would be in that situation), I think I’d have dropped the phone and ran to help him.


  • #48
    PrettyBoy
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    Pity the bullet only hit his foot.


  • #49
    sheesh
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    there is no dog, there is no blood on the ground either I think he just fired his gun

    unless the dog was coming at him from well behind the van and he figured that i'll kill the dog and that will put a bit of order on proceedings because he is going to attack.

    Alternatively his first round was a blank (which I heard on the news along time ago that guards do that to provide a warning shot). he fired a blank round into the dogs face.


  • #50
    Graniteville
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Graniteville


    Deleted User wrote: »

    How do you know they're travellers? Bit racist.

    Listen to it - only one shower of sh1tes talks like that, and they are the scum that cause untold hurt and hardships to thousands of decent people every year.

    Ireland's largest criminal group - Travellers


  • #51
    [Deleted User]
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    sheesh wrote: »
    there is no dog, there is no blood on the ground either I think he just fired his gun

    Why is the mans right shoulder and arm hanging lower than his left side in the first few seconds of the video?


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  • #52
    El Tarangu
    Registered Users Posts: 1,615 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    FTA69 wrote: »

    I’m sure this thread will be full of hearty cheers for a cop shooting a Traveller doing the bollix, but at the end of the day give the state of our police force I wouldn’t be too eager to be lauding them banging people whenever they feel like it. If their reaction to every bit of a scuffle is shooting someone then we’re in for a lot of sh*t in future.


    I don't know; yer man had the garda by the tie, he was off-balance. If the garda had have ended up on the ground and the dog attacked, he would have been in trouble.


    Plus, there was the wife (I presume) and I don't know that status of the fellow in the van, but nothing to say that he might have decided to turn on the garda as well.


    If the garda was wearing a tie like that, he may not have been on duty, might not have been able to radio for backup easily. It is easy for us to say at this remove: "Well, yer man was a bollix, but the Garda probably shouldn't have shot him"; a bit different I'd say if you were on your own, surrounded by several people and a big, agitated dog.


  • #53
    Gavin "shels"
    Registered Users Posts: 17,962 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Have Pavee Point released a statement yet?


  • #54
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Deleted User wrote: »
    He had his gun drawn so in that situation I don't see how he could not use it. Especially when it's 2-on-1. They knew he had the gun, he warned them several times to stop and to let go.

    How do you know they're travellers? Bit racist.

    Right so because he happens to have a gun in his possession he's obliged to use it? Pretty dodgy logic there mate.

    How do I know they're Travellers? The same way I can often tell if a given black person in London is African or Jamaican, by looking at them and listening to them. Am I missing something here like?


  • #55
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    FTA69 wrote: »
    See when the camera pans out I don’t see any dog? He video doesnt show any dog at any stage. Surely if the German Shepard had have jumped up and caught the guard’s tie then he’d have been visible? As I said, maybe it did happen and the video is just unclear and misleading - a common occurrence.

    What would I expect the guard to do if someone did grab him? Whack him in the face with the gun perhaps? Call for help? CS spray him? A scuffle can’t be reason to shoot someone. I remember seeing a brawl outside a pub and guards were getting grabbed and knocked over while trying to break it up, I wouldn’t have thought that them going around shooting people in the legs would have been a proportionate response.

    Once there is a gun involved it's never a bit of a scuffle. What would happen if the other guys de-armed the Guard (he appears to be outnumbered 3-1), no matter whether it's a dog or a person the Guard can't let that happen.

    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


  • #56
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Get Real wrote: »
    Of course we can't see a dog in the video.

    Screaming Mary there wouldn't show anything from the waist down, lest it portray the actual situation and scupper her compo case.


    Breaking news: Lowlifes use phone camera to record screaming abuse at garda "and me 3 weeks to go to deospital & etc while other guy is being attacked in the van ...


  • #57
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,257 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    That camera 'lady' is a fine specimen of humanity..

    What's going on there anyway?

    Is the driver of the blue van being assaulted in plain view of an armed guard? And the same lad then grabs the tie of the guard? Seems like a bullet in the leg is justified to me really..

    What's this about a dog?


  • #58
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,257 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Right so because he happens to have a gun in his possession he's obliged to use it? Pretty dodgy logic there mate.

    How do I know they're Travellers? The same way I can often tell if a given black person in London is African or Jamaican, by looking at them and listening to them. Am I missing something here like?

    Who said anything about being obliged to use it?

    But he should be free to use it when physically threatened and outnumbered no?


  • #59
    backspin.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭backspin.


    More criminals should be shot.


  • #60
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    It's the dog thing that's bemusing me more than anything, like how would you even go about making a recording of an armed guard being grabbed by a dog, the dog getting shot and then not have the dog be in the screen once? It's baffling really.

    If the guard was grabbed by a German Shepard I wouldn't contest the shooting at all that having been said.


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  • #61
    whisky_galore
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    Why in the world is a Garda wearing a conventional tie when you have scumbags who would try and pull it in a scuffle? Thought they would have clip on ones.


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