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Important 3 Broadband Contract change - GET OUT OF CONTRACT NOW FOR FREE

  • 02-05-2010 12:25pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭


    Applogies for cross posting but this notice on 3's site seems to have been overlooked which is I'm sure what 3 want. (Mods just delete if its already been mentioned by someone else)

    http://www.three.ie/terms/customer_notification.htm
    Customer Notification

    "Under Regulation 17 of the European Communities (electronic communications networks and services)(Universal Service and Users’ rights) Regulations 2003 an operator shall, not less than one month prior to the date of implementation of any proposed modification, notify its subscribers to that service of the proposed modification in the conditions of the contract for that service, and their right to withdraw without penalty from such contract if they do not accept the modification."

    If you are a subscriber to the services affected by these changes and if you do not accept these changes you may cease to use the service without penalty by giving us written notice in accordance with 3's terms and conditions prior to the implementation date of the change.


    Notice to 3 Broadband Customers - 28th April 2010

    Pay Monthly Broadband Customers.

    From 1st June 2010, the following data usage allowance will apply to Pay Monthly Broadband customers:
    Current monthly data usage allowance 15GB
    New monthly data usage allowance 10GB

    3Pay Broadband Customers.

    From 1st June 2010, the data usage allowance associated with broadband monthly top up will change as follows:
    Current monthly data usage allowance 10GB
    New monthly data usage allowance 7.5GB

    These changes to data usage allowance do not affect the monthly price for Pay Monthly or 3Pay Broadband.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭missyfirefly


    That's mad- are they finally admiting that their network is soooooo crippled with congestion and they have to drop the data allowances for it to cope!!!

    I suppose it's another way to relieve congestion without actually investing in the net infrastructure. Not gonna do them any favours though.

    I wonder have they been put under pressure due to NBS and the service not being up to scratch ( hands up who saw this coming).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ttm


    Just so you have all the info if you want to cancel here is the relevant bit (in bold) from http://www.three.ie/pdf/SmallPrint.pdf


    Important 3 Broadband Contract change
    10. Ending this agreement and
    Disconnection of 3 Services
    Pay Monthly Customers
    10.1 You may end this agreement in the
    following ways:
    (a) Under the 14-Day Money Back Guarantee. If
    you are eligible to avail of the 14 day money
    back guarantee (“the policy”), you may only
    terminate the agreement by returning your
    device and original boxed accessories, along with
    your proof of purchase, within 14 days of receipt
    of your device (“the 14 day period”).
    You must get in touch with 3 Customer Services
    to arrange Disconnection within those 14 days
    and you will be liable for the cost of returning
    the device and any boxed accessories. 3 strongly
    advise you to obtain a Receipt for Payment as
    you will be liable to reimburse 3 for the cost of
    the device if 3 do not receive the device from
    you for any reason within the 14 day period.
    We will refund any fixed periodic Charge you
    may have paid along with any Connection
    Charges. You will only have to pay Charges for
    the use of 3 Services until Disconnection at the
    applicable rates set out in your Price Plan.
    (A Cancellation Fee will not be charged if the
    device is returned within the 14 day period.)
    (b) During the Minimum Term. After the 14-Day
    Money Back Guarantee period has passed, you
    can end the agreement during your Minimum
    Term (if you have one – this will be stated in your
    Price Plan) by giving written notice to 3 Customer
    Services at least 30 days before the date you want
    to end the agreement. However, you must pay us
    all the Charges you owe, plus any Cancellation Fee
    for your Price Plan (as set out in the Price Guide).
    (c) On 30 days’ notice, outside the Minimum
    Term. You can end the agreement if your Price
    Plan does not contain a Minimum Term, or if you
    want to end the agreement at the end of your
    Minimum Term or any time after your Minimum
    Term has expired, provided you give written
    notice to 3 Customer Services at least 30 days
    before the date you want to end the agreement.
    (A Cancellation Fee will not be charged.)
    (d) Within one month of a detrimental variation
    to your agreement. You can end the agreement
    within one month of us telling you about a
    variation to your agreement (which includes
    your Price Plan) which is likely to be of
    detriment to you. You must give written notice
    to 3 Customer Services within that month and
    your agreement will finish at the end of the
    month, once we receive your notice.
    (A Cancellation Fee will not be charged.)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    This is good news for some. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭cable842


    how much will I get charged for a monthly broadband contract


  • Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭missyfirefly


    cable842 wrote: »
    how much will I get charged for a monthly broadband contract

    I don't get it? What's the relevance of your q to this thread? Expand a little....


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  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭adm


    This might be a dumb question but do you have to send them
    an actual physical letter or will an email do?


  • Registered Users Posts: 321 ✭✭Bluefox21


    You can be sure that whoever rings and tries to get out of their contract will have their limits restored.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    adm wrote: »
    This might be a dumb question but do you have to send them
    an actual physical letter or will an email do?
    A snail mail letter would be best me thinks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Anyone looking for alternatives with nationwide coverage:

    15GB with O2 €19.99 a month, free modem and if you have a billpay phone with them already, €16.90 a month.

    Vodafone €19.99 a month too but I think you pay for the modem (19.99).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭jd007


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    This is good news for some. :)

    Not for me though. :( I'm almost going over the 15gb cap never mind a 10gb one!! Looks like I'll be switching to o2...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ttm


    adm wrote: »
    This might be a dumb question but do you have to send them
    an actual physical letter or will an email do?

    Thats why I went to the bother and posted ALL the available info from 3 that you should need.

    The T&C's clearly state
    You must give written notice to 3 Customer Services within that month and your agreement will finish at the end of the month, once we receive your notice.

    Now I read "written notice" to mean a letter.

    If it was me I'd send it by registered post.

    I know you "write" an email but I really think they are going to want you to use the method that is least convienient to you, most people don't like writting letters but that is what they want. Emails are just too easy to loose and you have no proof that they were recieved or read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ttm


    jd007 wrote: »
    Not for me though. :( I'm almost going over the 15gb cap never mind a 10gb one!! Looks like I'll be switching to o2...

    There are two issues here, one is the oportunity for some people to get out of a contract with 3, that the subject of this post. The other issue which is why I posted this twice (its also in the the Three Mobile Broadband Mega Thread) is the reduction in download cap.

    I felt that the get out of contract info needed to be in a thread of its own with its own title so it was easy to find and it didn't get lost in the middle of the mega thread although its certainly relevant there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    I'd be fairly sure that written notice includes an email. I'd absolutely laugh at them if they tried to defend that in the small claims court.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    The burden of proof would fall on you to prove that (a) you sent it and (b) they received it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭cable842


    sorry I meant to say How much will I get charged to get out of my years contract.

    I found out today and its 100 euro. ahhhh :eek:
    I don't get it? What's the relevance of your q to this thread? Expand a little....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    It won't cost you a penny if you quote them changing the terms of your contract.


  • Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭adm


    ttm wrote: »
    If it was me I'd send it by registered post.

    I wrote a letter and sent it by registered post today. Lets hope its that straightforward.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 745 ✭✭✭cable842


    what ? how do I quote them changing there terms and conditions ?

    I was quoted 100 euro too close the account yesterday.

    they charged me 60 euro for goin 1 gig my limit so I payed them 60euro and today got a text saying i owe them 70 euro ?
    Bond-007 wrote: »
    It won't cost you a penny if you quote them changing the terms of your contract.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Send them a letter saying you do not agree with them lowering your download limit from 15 GB to 10 GB. You can then cancel for free. Do not phone them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ttm


    cable842 wrote: »
    what ? how do I quote them changing there terms and conditions ?

    I was quoted 100 euro too close the account yesterday.

    they charged me 60 euro for goin 1 gig my limit so I payed them 60euro and today got a text saying i owe them 70 euro ?

    Your confusing yourself and US (well me anyway :rolleyes:) again. Don't forget up untill the next charging period (you posted the date earlier) your being charged for EVERY extra Megabyte you use and you'll have to pay that off when you end the contract so make sure you understand exactly what any money you pay 3 is actually for.

    For those who really don't know where their towel is you don't phone up and ask them how much to get out of a contract you write to them (before the dates stated) above and tell them something like this....
    I am a subscriber to the services affected by the changes as indicated in the Customer Notification section of the 3 Ireland website, namely the change in down load caps on 1st June 2010

    My contract details are....... insert relevant contract details

    I do not accept these changes as they are prejudicial to my use of the service and I do not accept the modification.

    I hereby notify you that I wish to withdraw from the contract and exercise my right to withdraw without penalty from the contract.

    ...... bullsh!t I know but I think it covers the necessary; comments and impovements welcome.

    There are some complications that 3 will probably throw in to do your head in, they are a bit vague as to when your contract will end if you terminate it, so if your next month starts 11th June is that when the contract ends or is it the 1st of June when the changes occur? If it was me I'd stop using the modem on the 30th May to be sure, because its always possible that if you use your modem on or after the changes occur on the 1st of June 3 will take that as your acceptance of the new conditions and renew your contract.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭jfk75


    Does anyone know if O2 broadband is any better than 3?


  • Registered Users Posts: 264 ✭✭jfk75


    These change in terms and conditions is my get out of jail free card from 3 contract. I sick of ringing India for tech assistance that doesn't work and being constantly told that my issues are being upgraded to higher management!! Have only had barely intermittant "broadband(laughingly)" for over a week now and they have the cheek to contact me this morning to ask if I'd like to sign up for a new contract!! Yeh right!!:mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭Buggs


    From terms & conditions of 3:

    4 Variations to your agreement or prices
    Pay Monthly Customers
    4.1 We may vary any of the terms of your agreement,
    including our Price Plans, on the following basis:
    (a) any updated Price Plans and new terms
    will be available on our website and on request
    to 3 Customer Services;
    (b) if you are a Pay Monthly Customer, we will let
    you know at least one month in advance if we
    decide to:
    (i) discontinue your Price Plan; or
    (ii) make any variations to your agreement
    which are likely to be of detriment to you; or
    (iii) increase the fixed periodic charges
    for your Price Plan (if applicable) by an amount
    which is more than the percentage increase in
    the Retail Prices Index Figure (or any future
    equivalent) in any twelve month period.

    You can end the agreement for such variations as
    explained in Section 10. Subject to the above, you
    will not be able to end the agreement if such
    variation or increase:
    (i) is due to changes to the law, government
    regulation or licence which affect us; or
    (ii) relates solely to Additional Services; or
    (iii) relates solely to Add-on(s) (if applicable to
    you). In such circumstances you will not be able
    to end your agreement but you will be able to
    cancel the Add-on(s) by giving us 30 days’
    written notice; and
    (c) if you carry on using 3 Services after the
    variation commences, you will be deemed to have
    accepted the variation
    .
    4.2 If we offer a range of Price Plans, you may change
    from your Price Plan to one of a selected range of
    other Price Plans on such terms as agreed with us.


    Also,

    After the 14-Day
    Money Back Guarantee period has passed, you
    can end the agreement during your Minimum
    Term (if you have one – this will be stated in your
    Price Plan) by giving written notice to 3 Customer
    Services at least 30 days before the date you want
    to end the agreement
    . However, you must pay us
    all the Charges you owe, plus any Cancellation Fee
    for your Price Plan (as set out in the Price Guide).
    (c) On 30 days’ notice, outside the Minimum
    Term. You can end the agreement if your Price
    Plan does not contain a Minimum Term, or if you
    want to end the agreement at the end of your
    Minimum Term or any time after your Minimum
    Term has expired, provided you give written
    notice to 3 Customer Services at least 30 days
    before the date you want to end the agreement.
    (A Cancellation Fee will not be charged.)
    (d) Within one month of a detrimental variation
    to your agreement. You can end the agreement
    within one month of us telling you about a
    variation to your agreement (which includes
    your Price Plan) which is likely to be of
    detriment to you. You must give written notice
    to 3 Customer Services within that month and
    your agreement will finish at the end of the
    month, once we receive your notice.
    (A Cancellation Fee will not be charged.)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ttm


    Thanks Buggs I knew it was in there somewhere

    Small print Section 4.1
    (c) if you carry on using 3 Services after the
    variation commences, you will be deemed to have
    accepted the variation
    .



    Even if you do cancel I'd bet that 3 do not turn off your ability to connect just in case they can catch you out.

    Edit> But in this case I'm not sure if you have to give 30days notice as I think this cancellation comes under
    ....you may cease to use the service without penalty by giving us written notice in accordance with 3's terms and conditions prior to the implementation date of the change.

    But all I can really be sure of its a can of worms!


  • Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭Buggs


    ttm wrote: »


    Even if you do cancel I'd bet that 3 do not turn off your ability to connect just in case they can catch you out.


    Absolutely, the best thing you can do is stop using the modem on the 31st May to be sure. Don't give them any chance or they will have you for another 12 months or whatever.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    jfk75 wrote: »
    Does anyone know if O2 broadband is any better than 3?

    When I had it I got coverage in my auntie's - 3 miles form the nearest town. As opposed to three who have trouble IN the town.

    ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭pyramuid man


    ttm wrote: »
    Thanks Buggs I knew it was in there somewhere

    Small print Section 4.1
    [/I]

    Even if you do cancel I'd bet that 3 do not turn off your ability to connect just in case they can catch you out.

    Just out of interest, why would you assume this.

    I cancelled from 3 in the past and I was able to use it for the 30 days notice I had to give, but when the 30 days was up, It stopped working.

    Presume this would be the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    ttm wrote: »
    Even if you do cancel I'd bet that 3 do not turn off your ability to connect just in case they can catch you out.

    Edit> But in this case I'm not sure if you have to give 30days notice as I think this cancellation comes under

    You shouldn't have to, since 3 are the ones changing the terms, and there aren't 30 days from now until this change comes into effect. Also, they haven't yet told all their customers about it.

    If you are cancelling, then you put in writing that you don't accept this change to the terms, and you are cancelling it effective immediately (and write in the current date). Stop using it that day, cancel the direct debit if you have one set up, and send it by registered post and email. You are then cancelled immediately, with nothing more to pay.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ttm


    Just out of interest, why would you assume this.

    I cancelled from 3 in the past and I was able to use it for the 30 days notice I had to give, but when the 30 days was up, It stopped working.

    Presume this would be the same.

    Trying not to assume anything, just trying to piece the relevant info together, prejudice also comes into it :p. But then if I hadn't posted a factually incorrect comment you wouldn't have corrected me ;)

    All the people I know who have cancelled have done it after a long wrangle because they didn't do it in writing and in those cases use of the service was used as proof of contract. Don't ask me why anyone would use a service after they canceled it as I certainly wouldn't?

    btw How did you cancel and how did you get notification that the contract was terminated?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭ttm


    jor el wrote: »
    Also, they haven't yet told all their customers about it.

    I'm scratching my head over that point :confused:

    The small print seems to be contradictory

    4.1 We may vary any of the terms of your agreement,
    including our Price Plans, on the following basis:
    (a) any updated Price Plans and new terms
    will be available on our website and on request
    to 3 Customer Services;
    (b) if you are a Pay Monthly Customer, we will let
    you know at least one month in advance if we
    decide to:
    (i) discontinue your Price Plan; or
    (ii) make any variations to your agreement
    which are likely to be of detriment to you; or
    (iii) increase the fixed periodic charges
    for your Price Plan (if applicable) by an amount
    which is more than the percentage increase in
    the Retail Prices Index Figure (or any future
    equivalent) in any twelve month period.


    If you read as far (a) you get

    4.1 We may vary any of the terms of your agreement,
    including our Price Plans, on the following basis:
    (a) any updated Price Plans and new terms
    will be available on our website and on request
    to 3 Customer Services;


    which I take to mean the 3 will hide all changes on its website and not tell anyone that doesn't ask or go looking.

    but add in (b)
    (b) if you are a Pay Monthly Customer, we will let
    you know at least one month in advance if we
    decide to:
    ....

    (ii) make any variations to your agreement
    which are likely to be of detriment to you; or

    ....

    and it sounds like they have to tell you the individual customer, but I think they think that they have already covered that in (a) so you won't get any notification.

    Which leads me to the original reason for posting, I think 3 were trying to hide this and hope no one noticed.

    Sounds like an all to familiar Douglas Adams HHGTTG script to me, Arthor Dents expereince of the local planning department:
    “... ‘You hadn't exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them [the plans to destroy Dent’s home and run a bypass through his land] had you? I mean like actually telling anyone or anything.’
    “‘But the plans were on display...’
    “‘On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.’
    “‘That's the display department.’
    “‘With a torch [flashlight].”
    “‘Ah, well the lights had probably gone.’
    “‘So had the stairs.’
    “‘But look you found the notice didn’t you?’
    “‘Yes,’ said Arthur, ‘yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of The Leopard’.’”


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