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Irish directed film on James Bulger comes under criticism for humanising the killers

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  • #62
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    begbysback wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Do you think the filmmaker should have informed Jamie's parents that he was making a film about their murdered child?

    He did, whether that was by daytime tv or previous I don’t know. Either way they were never going to approve of such an alternative perception.

    Like I said, the emotional cost is all on the family.
    No he must certainly did not. Hence why denise Fergus is on the same programme tomorrow morning. !


  • #63
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    seamus wrote: »
    Vincent Lambe is a highly regarded director, and a far cry from an attention seeker.

    The problem here is that the James Bulger murder is a sacred cow of the British tabloid class, and any discussion of the murderers which doesn't characterise them with horns and pitchforks will have them wailing about how it's "too soft" on them and "humanising" them.

    Believing the murderers to be just randomly "evil" and beyond explanation helps them avoid uncomfortable truths.
    Maybe your amazing icon should learn a bit of empathy!


  • #64
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,368 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    King George VI wrote: »
    They are humans. Making them out to be evil monsters takes away from the fact that a human being is capable of committing atrocious and horrific crimes.

    They are still evil monsters.


  • #65
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You don't understand the ethical dilemma you have placed me in.
    I am right-handed.
    I don't subscribe to the hang 'em high without judge or jury philosophy.
    Is it because I am really left-handed?

    But seriously - this has nothing to do with political persuasion.
    Unless you think everyone involved in Beheavoural Science is left-wing.

    That hotbed of radical socialism the FBI employs over 35,000 people to study violent crime and those that commit them. In fact they now track animal abuse cases not because they are PC spouting lefties, but because there is a proven co-relation between abusing animals and violent crimes.

    Commie central aka the RCC has produced reams of excuses for the child abusers in it's ranks - and protected many of them enabling them to continue their abuse.

    This is beyond political divisions.

    Don't be that person who cannot see beyond their own political prejudices and try and score tasteless points. It diminishes you.

    Those you dismissed here as "lefties" are saying learn to prevent - can't learn if you don't try and understand. Can't understand if they've been hung high or the key thrown away.

    It all depends on how you try to prevent and understand.

    Try isn't good enough.

    Trying is a start, but as they say God loves a tryer or something to that effect.

    An accomplishment is something worthy of appraisal, trying is like admitting defeat.

    I suppose in the lefties world we're all winner's.
    That's why I don't like the liberal lefties.
    All steam but full of holes....not enough traction and no attraction.

    I've Zero tollerence for naunces and child killer's.

    If the evidence is screaming you in the face, who needs a drawn out trial, burn them at the stake....or something similar....

    Anyone who commits a violent crime or abuses kids usually has no moral compass.

    Seriously do you really think a child killer or abuser is going to be totally honest with a crime psychoilgist ?

    Amen to that


  • #66
    Demonique
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭Demonique


    nthclare wrote: »
    You'll have the usual pattern of people defending these evil bastard's, always from the left.

    I seen something a while back about lefties saying paedophiles are another sexual orientation, and how hard it must be to be rejected by society for being a naunce.

    If society ever say's it's ok to be a naunce or child killer then Armageddon has surely arrived.

    They don't belong here, they're sick twisted and need to be all rounded up and strung up by their nuts and bolts....

    It's actually paedophiles themselves who are saying this, I've never met a person on the left who said this. Paedos call themselves MAPs (minor attracted person) and whine about being hard done by online


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  • #67
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Maybe your amazing icon should learn a bit of empathy!

    I'm with Seamus on this one. By declaring someone evil and not investigating what made them evil (if anything), then we are losing out on the potential to learn from this incident and hopefully preventing this type of thing from happening in the future.

    Yes, many people turn out to be monsters, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to learn why they became monsters. And that can only happen by asking difficult questions.

    The above statement doesn't mean that I don't have empathy for Jamie Bolger's parents by the way.


  • #68
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    seamus wrote: »
    Vincent Lambe is a highly regarded director, and a far cry from an attention seeker.

    The problem here is that the James Bulger murder is a sacred cow of the British tabloid class, and any discussion of the murderers which doesn't characterise them with horns and pitchforks will have them wailing about how it's "too soft" on them and "humanising" them.

    Believing the murderers to be just randomly "evil" and beyond explanation helps them avoid uncomfortable truths.

    Spot on about the 'sacred cow' theory.

    Anything that sheds light on these events is to be welcomed as long as it is responsible and sincere.


  • #69
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Demonique wrote: »
    It's actually paedophiles themselves who are saying this, I've never met a person on the left who said this. Paedos call themselves MAPs (minor attracted person) and whine about being hard done by online

    That's the tip of the iceberg.


  • #70
    Demonique
    Registered Users Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭Demonique


    nthclare wrote: »
    Where did I mention politics ?

    You're the one bringing up politics, I've yet to see where I brought politics into this.

    This is the post where you brought up politics - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109023408&postcount=13

    Saying 'I seen something a while back about lefties saying paedophiles are another sexual orientation' is bringing up politics


  • #71
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Demonique wrote: »
    This is the post where you brought up politics - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=109023408&postcount=13

    Saying 'I seen something a while back about lefties saying paedophiles are another sexual orientation' is bringing up politics

    That poster is so annoying.


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  • #72
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Maybe your amazing icon should learn a bit of empathy!

    I'm with Seamus on this one. By declaring someone evil and not investigating what made them evil (if anything), then we are losing out on the potential to learn from this incident and hopefully preventing this type of thing from happening in the future.

    Yes, many people turn out to be monsters, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to learn why they became monsters. And that can only happen by asking difficult questions.

    The above statement doesn't mean that I don't have empathy for Jamie Bolger's parents by the way.
    So do you agree that the " filmmaker " should have contacted the murdered childs parents to inform them that a film he had made about their child was up for an oscar award. ?


  • #73
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    That poster is so annoying.

    Attack the post not the poster, isn't that within the remit of board's.

    Nice try though


  • #74
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Lefties are not saying pedophiles are a sexual orientation.
    Pedophiles are the ones trying to push that agenda.
    I would like to see proof of this alleged lefty independent group concerned with protecting the "sexual orientation" of child molesters.


  • #75
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    nthclare wrote: »
    Attack the post not the poster, isn't that within the remit of board's.

    Nice try though

    Where did that poster attack you?


  • #76
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    "Filmmaker " doing the rounds. Apparently hes on today FM at 3.45pm today.


  • #77
    Bannasidhe
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 19,219 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    nthclare wrote: »
    It all depends on how you try to prevent and understand.

    Try isn't good enough.

    Trying is a start, but as they say God loves a tryer or something to that effect.

    An accomplishment is something worthy of appraisal, trying is like admitting defeat.

    I suppose in the lefties world we're all winner's.
    That's why I don't like the liberal lefties.
    All steam but full of holes....not enough traction and no attraction.

    I've Zero tollerence for naunces and child killer's.

    If the evidence is screaming you in the face, who needs a drawn out trial, burn them at the stake....or something similar....

    Anyone who commits a violent crime or abuses kids usually has no moral compass.

    Seriously do you really think a child killer or abuser is going to be totally honest with a crime psychoilgist ?

    Amen to that

    You can't help yourself can you?

    I'm done talking to someone who simply cannot avoid trying to use the death of an innocent child to score political points.

    What you are doing disgusts me.


  • #78
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    amcalester wrote: »
    Where did that poster attack you?

    I'm responding with satire, it wasn't an attack. It's just they couldn't really approach me directly.

    So they highlight their annoyance about my post rather than the subject matter....

    I see the Liberals are out in force lol


  • #79
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    So do you agree that the " filmmaker " should have contacted the murdered childs parents to inform them that a film he had made about their child was up for an oscar award. ?

    There was no need to contact Jamie Bolger's parents. That's what I think. Any contact with the parents looking for comments etc. is upsetting and more than likely unnecessary.

    My point was more related to the making of the film.


  • #80
    razorblunt
    Registered Users Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    The Director knew what he was doing and that this would get the exposure he also wanted.
    He doesn't care about showing them.


  • #81
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    There was no need to contact Jamie Bolger's parents. That's what I think. Any contact with the parents looking for comments etc. is upsetting and more than likely unnecessary.

    My point was more related to the making of the film.

    I think giving the parents of a murdered child a heads-up that the whole saga was going to be brought into the public eye again in the name of understanding - though what a film maker can add to understanding that the psychiatrists trained in these matters couldn't is debatable - is the very least courtesy that they deserve. They've been through enough without being blindsided like that.


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  • #82
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    So do you agree that the " filmmaker " should have contacted the murdered childs parents to inform them that a film he had made about their child was up for an oscar award. ?

    There was no need to contact Jamie Bolger's parents. That's what I think. Any contact with the parents looking for comments etc. is upsetting and more than likely unnecessary.

    My point was more related to the making of the film.
    Well jamies mum is on tomorrow morning. Wonder how she feels about "filmmaker " making a film about her poor murdered son and not even having the manners to inform her. Still I'm sure he'll get an easy ride on Irish radio. Well done to Ben Sheppard earlier for pointing out to "filmmaker " what every caring parent was thinking anyway.


  • #83
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    nthclare wrote: »
    I'm responding with satire, it wasn't an attack. It's just they couldn't really approach me directly.

    So they highlight their annoyance about my post rather than the subject matter....

    I see the Liberals are out in force lol

    Ah gotcha, my apologies. You see, poor satire is easily mistaken for stupidity.


  • #84
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭nthclare


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You can't help yourself can you?

    I'm done talking to someone who simply cannot avoid trying to use the death of an innocent child to score political points.

    What you are doing disgusts me.

    It's all about you isn't it, read through my other responses to the subject....

    I mentioned nothing about politics, it was you who came in all blazing about me saying lefties are political..
    Lefties are not particularly the most moral people now are they.

    You're the one who's saying I'm using the death of a child to score political points.

    The mere mention of lefties here brought you into the wrong intrepid journey you dicided to take the debate.

    I was once a leftie liberal myself and it was an experience which was I suppose enlightening.

    You're the first person to say a leftie is political, I don't think leftism is political.
    I think it's just people who see the world through tinted glasses, they're not very liberal really.

    Actually they're far from it.

    A liberal person would be very easygoing, mind their own business and not be out protesting and bouncing off wall's.

    YouTube is bursting with funny clips of sjw fails, educated idiot's who have no life other than being walking contradictions.

    Call a spade a spade....


  • #85
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    razorblunt wrote: »
    The Director knew what he was doing and that this would get the exposure he also wanted.
    He doesn't care about showing them.
    Doesn't care about parents of a murdered child. Says it all !


  • #86
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    nthclare wrote: »
    I see the Liberals are out in force lol

    Mod: nthclare, don't post in this thread.

    Reason: Need I elaborate? Pff


  • #87
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Not sure if it's been mentioned , but people should read Denise Fergus' (James mother) book and her thoughts of the case and the 2 lads. She talks about their attitudes during the trial and their treatment while they were in the system (wont say locked up because that implies jail, they were in a care home of sorts afaik )

    Its available as an audiobook too for those like me that listen in the car/work.


  • #88
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Not sure if it's been mentioned , but people should read Denise Fergus' (James mother) book and her thoughts of the case and the 2 lads. She talks about their attitudes during the trial and their treatment while they were in the system (wont say locked up because that implies jail, they were in a care home of sorts afaik )

    Its available as an audiobook too for those like me that listen in the car/work.
    2 lads......2 murderers ?


  • #89
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,530 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    nthclare wrote: »
    Attack the post not the poster, isn't that within the remit of board's.

    Nice try though



    calls other posters lefties

    then follows up with this

    nthclare wrote: »

    I suppose in the lefties world we're all winner's.
    That's why I don't like the liberal lefties.
    All steam but full of holes....not enough traction and no attraction.

    Youve some head in the clouds fella


  • #90
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 66,732 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    2 lads......2 murderers ?

    When you climb down off the outrage box you will notice that the film isn't implying that they are not murderers.


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  • #91
    Omackeral
    Registered Users Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Omg. Have Jamie s parents and family not been through enough.

    The child's name was James. Never "Jamie". It's a different name and he was never called it at all by his family. It actually hurt Denise Fergus anytime his name was incorrectly reported as "Jamie", as she says in her book released last year. Bit of respect to get child's name right at the very least.


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