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Connacht Team Talk Thread V - The Friend Zone

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  • #5582
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    FACECUTTR wrote: »
    He has been epic for us. Even after those long layoffs with injury he just hits the ground running and is more often than not the best player on the team. I would be extremely happy if he signed on again.


    Won't be easy, except if Farrell tells him he's Klein-like, and has a chance for RWC 2023 (will be IQ under new rules)


  • #5583
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,119 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Mul, it's over
    connachta wrote: »
    24 points may be enough to be top 2, the others you quoted neutralise partly each other

    If Toulouse lose once v Monty then they need 3 wins for any chance of top 2 seed.

    Its possible that 2 or 3 teams with both back to back rounds. So I don't see Toulouse sending the Espoirs to Galway


  • #5584
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    If Toulouse lose once v Monty then they need 3 wins for any chance of top 2 seed.

    Its possible that 2 or 3 teams with both back to back rounds. So I don't see Toulouse sending the Espoirs to Galway




    I'm puting myself in the hypothesis they beat Montpellier twice
    Which is not unlikely, as they begin in Toulouse and Montpellier will be 90% desinsterested next week if they get 0 point in Toulouse


  • #5585
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,119 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Mul, it's over
    connachta wrote: »
    I'm puting myself in the hypothesis they beat Montpellier twice
    Which is not unlikely, as they begin in Toulouse and Montpellier will be 90% desinsterested next week if they get 0 point in Toulouse


    It's not just about the results in the group. There is 4 other groups to consider.

    Toulouse will be sending a strong side to Galway.

    If they have any designs on winning the HC then a QF/SF/Final in France is very much the best shot at it. Top 2 seed is also the best chance they have of getting that sequence in the knockouts. How difficult is that to understand.


  • #5586
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    It's not just about the results in the group. There is 4 other groups to consider.

    Toulouse will be sending a strong side to Galway.

    If they have any designs on winning the HC then a QF/SF/Final in France is very much the best shot at it. Top 2 seed is also the best chance they have of getting that sequence in the knockouts. How difficult is that to understand.


    You pretend not to understand yourself.
    Top 2 is acheivable with 24-25 points. It means they could well sent a partly rotated team if they beat Montpellier twice, and rest for Gloucester home + heavy TOP14 schedule
    You might disagree, but that's a fairly solid opinion.


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  • #5587
    KBurke85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭KBurke85


    The Friend Zone
    connachta wrote: »
    You pretend not to understand yourself.
    Top 2 is acheivable with 24-25 points. It means they could well sent a partly rotated team if they beat Montpellier twice, and rest for Gloucester home + heavy TOP14 schedule
    You might disagree, but that's a fairly solid opinion.

    Lads one game at a time. If we don't one the next two games It most likely won't matter what teams we face in Jan


  • #5588
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    My point is we won't be out if we lose in Gloucester.
    It would take some circonstances but 14 points vs Glouc home + less interrested Toulouse and Montpellier are possible = 18 points = MAYBE last qualified 2nd


  • #5589
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,119 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Mul, it's over
    connachta wrote: »
    My point is we won't be out if we lose in Gloucester.
    It would take some circonstances but 14 points vs Glouc home + less interrested Toulouse and Montpellier are possible = 18 points = MAYBE last qualified 2nd

    connachta wrote: »
    You pretend not to understand yourself.
    Top 2 is acheivable with 24-25 points. It means they could well sent a partly rotated team if they beat Montpellier twice, and rest for Gloucester home + heavy TOP14 schedule
    You might disagree, but that's a fairly solid opinion.


    Where are you getting this less interested Toulouse from though when everything points to the exact opposite happening? History of the 2018/19 season points to them rocking up pretty much full strength in R5

    They were top of the group last year and sent a fully loaded team to Leinster in R5. The top14 schedule is the same as the pro14 at this time of year too.


  • #5590
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Where are you getting this less interested Toulouse from though when everything points to the exact opposite happening? History of the 2018/19 season points to them rocking up pretty much full strength in R5

    They were top of the group last year and sent a fully loaded team to Leinster in R5. The top14 schedule is the same as the pro14 at this time of year too.




    Totally not comparable. Toulouse was fighting for 1st place of the group vs Leinster. They have that for granted if they beat Montpellier twice


  • #5591
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,119 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Mul, it's over
    connachta wrote: »
    Totally not comparable. Toulouse was fighting for 1st place of the group vs Leinster. They have that for granted if they beat Montpellier twice

    But they wont have a top seeding for granted if ar least 2 other teams are also 4 from 4 which is VERY conceivable.
    I'm not talking about topping the group but top 2 seeding for a preferable knock out sequence. Jesus are you really this clueless?


    There is no evidence to suggest Toulouse will be sending a weakened 23 to Galway. NOTHING


    Leinster win R3 and 4 could reach 27/28
    One of Munster/Racing/Sarries can still reach 25/26
    Exeter could win 6 from 6
    One of Ulster/Clermont Can still reach 24/25


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  • #5592
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Mul, it's over
    No offence lads but could you please stop this mind numbing argument or take it to pm


  • #5593
    Lucas44
    Registered Users Posts: 379 ✭✭Lucas44


    FACECUTTR wrote: »
    He has been epic for us. Even after those long layoffs with injury he just hits the ground running and is more often than not the best player on the team. I would be extremely happy if he signed on again.

    Our best player and it isn’t close


  • #5594
    Tommybojangles
    Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Tommybojangles


    Mul, it's over
    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Our best player and it isn’t close

    Bit dramatic. I'd say hes very close to joining Bundee as our best player, with Butler, Tom Farrell and and in form Jack not too far behind


  • #5595
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Mul, it's over
    According to Linley Mackenzie in Irish Times this morning, hoping for Marmion & TOH to be back for interpros, McKeon resumed training this week and will be available for selection from next week on.


  • #5596
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Was there any update on SOB since he went off against Leinster?


  • #5597
    ClanofLams
    Registered Users Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Mul, it's over
    Zzippy wrote: »
    Was there any update on SOB since he went off against Leinster?

    Out until February was the timeline given I think.


  • #5598
    Dubinusa
    Registered Users Posts: 8,123 ✭✭✭Dubinusa


    Some Like It TOH
    SOB has no luck. He's certainly in the T.O.D level with injuries. Same with Gallagher, they can't catch a break.


  • #5599
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    But they wont have a top seeding for granted if ar least 2 other teams are also 4 from 4 which is VERY conceivable.
    I'm not talking about topping the group but top 2 seeding for a preferable knock out sequence. Jesus are you really this clueless?


    You're kidding, right? You don't see the difference between interest in toping a group (and if not, risking elimination) and the interst of, maybe being top2 seed, which could very well happen for Toulouse WITHOUT beating Connacht?


    There is no evidence to suggest Toulouse will be sending a weakened 23 to Galway. NOTHING


    Leinster win R3 and 4 could reach 27/28
    One of Munster/Racing/Sarries can still reach 25/26
    Exeter could win 6 from 6
    One of Ulster/Clermont Can still reach 24/25


    You can propose your optimistic calculations for all the other pool opponents, it won't happen that way. Toulouse may well be Top2 with 24/25 points. And Toulouse won't go 100% full strenght in Galway IMO


  • #5600
    Zzippy
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,166 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    ...


    There is no evidence to suggest Toulouse will be sending a weakened 23 to Galway. NOTHING

    ...
    connachta wrote: »
    ...

    And Toulouse won't go 100% full strenght in Galway IMO



    Lads, this is a circular argument and neither of you is winning, but you're clogging up the thread just repeating yourselves. Take it to PM please if you want to continue.


  • #5601
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭b.gud


    In case anyone knows any leads to help out John Porch

    https://twitter.com/JohnPorch_/status/1202343244560044035
    John Porch wrote:
    @ConnachtClan
    My partner is moving over at the end of December, she is looking for a job as a Pharmaceutical rep. I was wondering if you were able to get this out with-in the clan in the hope that someone has a contact within the pharmaceutical field that could potentially help🙌🏽


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  • #5602
    BakeMeACake
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭BakeMeACake


    ClanofLams wrote:
    According to Linley Mackenzie in Irish Times this morning, hoping for Marmion & TOH to be back for interpros, McKeon resumed training this week and will be available for selection from next week on.

    I know these guys would like to be back for the interpros, and if they are fit and ready then that's great. I do wonder if Connacht are just too dependent on a player's word that they are ok. SOB is a prime example of rushing players back. At the end of the day it is only a game of rugby and the alternatives are not shabby players


  • #5603
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭b.gud


    BakeMeACake wrote: »
    I know these guys would like to be back for the interpros, and if they are fit and ready then that's great. I do wonder if Connacht are just too dependent on a player's word that they are ok. SOB is a prime example of rushing players back. At the end of the day it is only a game of rugby and the alternatives are not shabby players

    That is absolutely not how it works and funnily enough the example you provided is the perfect example of why it doesn't work the way you suggested.

    Sean O'Brien was part of the Off the Ball Connacht rugby special a few weeks ago and on it he talked about how he felt he was ready to get back to playing for a few weeks and the S&C and coaching team told him he'd have to wait a bit longer until he was fully fit


  • #5604
    BakeMeACake
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭BakeMeACake


    b.gud wrote:
    Sean O'Brien was part of the Off the Ball Connacht rugby special a few weeks ago and on it he talked about how he felt he was ready to get back to playing for a few weeks and the S&C and coaching team told him he'd have to wait a bit longer until he was fully fit


    And yet both were proven wrong b.gud. He took a pretty innocuous hit which has him back at square one. So it would seem both player and S&C were at fault. And simply that was the only point I was trying to make. I love my rugby, and I know it's these guys careers, but the way SOB folded indicates poor decision making and poor understanding of how a body repairs itself by the folks making these decisions. And I would hope such mistakes are not repeated too often because there is a young person's livelihood at stake.


  • #5605
    BakeMeACake
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭BakeMeACake


    Anyway moving on, anyone know what's the story with David Horowitz. He seems to have fallen off the end of the world?


  • #5606
    connachta
    Registered Users Posts: 7,963 ✭✭✭connachta


    BakeMeACake wrote: »
    Anyway moving on, anyone know what's the story with David Horowitz. He seems to have fallen off the end of the world?


    Wasn't rated for Brumbies, isn't rated at all for Connacht, not a single minute vs Montpellier, the only game he was on the teamsheet...


  • #5607
    b.gud
    Registered Users Posts: 4,786 ✭✭✭b.gud


    BakeMeACake wrote: »
    And yet both were proven wrong b.gud. He took a pretty innocuous hit which has him back at square one. So it would seem both player and S&C were at fault. And simply that was the only point I was trying to make. I love my rugby, and I know it's these guys careers, but the way SOB folded indicates poor decision making and poor understanding of how a body repairs itself by the folks making these decisions. And I would hope such mistakes are not repeated too often because there is a young person's livelihood at stake.

    A very good point I look forward to your detailed report which is full of regular read outs for targets SOB was hitting or missing. I'm particularly looking forward to hearing your thoughts on them with your years of experience in the s&c world.

    Another thing that I'm really looking forward to are the quotes from SOB explaining how he was able able to convince the management and s&c team that he was fine to play even though all data said that he wasn't


  • #5608
    BakeMeACake
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭BakeMeACake


    b.gud wrote:
    A very good point I look forward to your detailed report which is full of regular read outs for targets SOB was hitting or missing. I'm particularly looking forward to hearing your thoughts on them with your years of experience in the s&c world.


    I leave it with your indignatious self. I wasn't trying to step on feet.


  • #5609
    Bazzo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    Mul, it's over
    Oh.. that's who it is.


  • #5610
    Tommybojangles
    Registered Users Posts: 388 ✭✭Tommybojangles


    Mul, it's over
    BakeMeACake wrote: »
    Anyway moving on, anyone know what's the story with David Horowitz. He seems to have fallen off the end of the world?

    Was a totally wild punt in the first place I think. Turned out as expected, presume hell be gone at the end of the season


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  • #5611
    CowboyTed
    Registered Users Posts: 744 ✭✭✭CowboyTed


    Tommybojangles wrote: »
    Bit dramatic. I'd say hes very close to joining Bundee as our best player, with Butler, Tom Farrell and and in form Jack not too far behind

    Huge heart... He gives weight to all players in the pack but fights like hell


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