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Bellator/WSOF/One FC etc events Thread

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Jesus, Frank Mir, please, please hang up the gloves now. You got a win, just retire. Big Country's way, way past his prime as well, either guy wouldn't stand a chance against even a vaguely competent fighter even in Bellator. Mir has looked like he's fighting through syrup his last few fights, his only vague hope of a win is fighting the lowest of the has-been's. Don't pull a BJ Penn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Homelander wrote: »
    Jesus, Frank Mir, please, please hang up the gloves now. You got a win, just retire. Big Country's way, way past his prime as well, either guy wouldn't stand a chance against even a vaguely competent fighter even in Bellator. Mir has looked like he's fighting through syrup his last few fights, his only vague hope of a win is fighting the lowest of the has-been's. Don't pull a BJ Penn.

    Its embarassing these lads are still fighting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Slightly embarrasing!. CageWarriors 110 Chris Fields leads his fighter Omran Chabaan out and Fields and corner team take their seats a bit early just as their fighter is about to go through the pat down. At this point Chabaan realises he hasnt his gum shield and needs to go over and tap Fields on the shoulder to make him aware!. Fields is shocked and legs it back to the dressing room for the gum shield!.

    EDIT:
    Omran Chabaan Wins!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Have Europe a different version of UFC FightPass than the US?
    Im watching UFC Fightpass stream but its just replays and not Cage Warriors as advertised?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    califano wrote: »
    Have Europe a different version of UFC FightPass than the US?
    Im watching UFC Fightpass stream but its just replays and not Cage Warriors as advertised?

    Yeah that steam only ever plays replays, you never get live cards on it. I've been trying to get the cage Warriors card myself with no joy.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    Yeah that steam only ever plays replays, you never get live cards on it. I've been trying to get the cage Warriors card myself with no joy.

    So Frustrating innit!.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    There were some good wins for a few of the Irish lads on Cage Warriors last night. PA Lahane on the amateur undercard, John Mitchell in his pro debut on the main card, Ian Garry to go 3 and 0 with a first round sub and Rhys McKee with a first round TKO off of a jab which floored his opponent!

    Ian Garry is trying to push for a spot on the London card in 2 weeks time of anyone drops out.

    I'd like to see Rhys get another couple of wins under his belt before there is any talk of moving to the UFC. I'd be surprised if they don't pick him up the next time they have a show this side of Europe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,426 ✭✭✭Roar


    John Mitchell looked really good. Calm and composed, picked his shots beautifully, wasn't goaded into the war that Nolan wanted. Very impressed by him.

    Ian Garry is a superstar in the making. The atmosphere in the arena for his fight was insane. And a lovely finish from him too.

    Really enjoyable night, Cage Warriors had the place looking as well as they could, great atmosphere and great fights. Hopefully they're back in the summer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Roar wrote: »
    John Mitchell looked really good. Calm and composed, picked his shots beautifully, wasn't goaded into the war that Nolan wanted. Very impressed by him.

    Ian Garry is a superstar in the making. The atmosphere in the arena for his fight was insane. And a lovely finish from him too.

    Really enjoyable night, Cage Warriors had the place looking as well as they could, great atmosphere and great fights. Hopefully they're back in the summer.

    I take it you were at it?

    They've just announced 3 more Irish dates. Back in Cork in July and Belfast in May and September.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    rob316 wrote: »
    I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.

    It's still early days yet, he only has 3 pro fights. There are tougher tests ahead with CW and if he keeps progressing as he has done to date then he will definitely be UFC bound alright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,440 ✭✭✭califano


    Oh Garry Garry! Garry Garry Garry Garry Garry!


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rob316 wrote: »
    I'd be shocked if we don't see Garry in the UFC in the future.
    Whelo79 wrote: »
    It's still early days yet, he only has 3 pro fights. There are tougher tests ahead with CW and if he keeps progressing as he has done to date then he will definitely be UFC bound alright.

    What the story with the hype behind this guy after only 3 fights?
    Genuinely curious, I haven't seen him fight yet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Mellor wrote: »
    What the story with the hype behind this guy after only 3 fights?
    Genuinely curious, I haven't seen him fight yet.

    He's big, looks the part, and talks well.

    I think people are glossing over the smack he took last week. For a guy who's a supposed stand up specialist he looked for a sec that he was going to get KO'd. Maybe I'm being a tad harsh here, but I'm getting a bit sick of the hype around him already. Seems Aaron Pico-esque imo. Sure he could be great, but you simply can never forecast an MMA fighters career after 3 fights, and those who are doing it should know better.

    I was at CW Cork last week, great show. Leaves Bellator for dust in overall experience imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    dulux99 wrote: »
    Sure he could be great, but you simply can never forecast an MMA fighters career after 3 fights, and those who are doing it should know better.
    That's kinda what prompted my question tbh.
    He could well be UFC material in a few years, but he obviously isn't near that level now. Not a dig in the slightest, just the reality of being a fresh pro. No way on knowing how much or how little he'll improve. But "hype" about him now will do more harm that good imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    I seen a couple of his Amateur fights too and he looked a different level in those fights. Look, every local lad in every city/town in the world who shows something a little bit extra or different is gonna have some local hype behind him.

    After Crosbie and McKee I'd say he's Ireland's most promising pro fighter. He's still young though, lots to learn, lots to go wrong, but there is definite potential here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    I seen a couple of his Amateur fights too and he looked a different level in those fights. Look, every local lad in every city/town in the world who shows something a little bit extra or different is gonna have some local hype behind him.

    After Crosbie and McKee I'd say he's Ireland's most promising pro fighter. He's still young though, lots to learn, lots to go wrong, but there is definite potential here.

    Undoubted potential yeah. But I just kind of squirm when I hear Tom King and Chris Fields heap so much praise on him, when he's still only a baby. This kind of traction just adds more pressure on him and he becomes a serious target, and if he does stutter on the way up (as most do), the unecessary fallout is a much bigger deal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Homelander


    He looks good, sharp. But I agree that it's a bit OTT to be hyping him up like he's destined for the UFC, adds way too much pressure at such an early stage, he's clearly shown talent, but he's yet to be truly proven (and that is 100% natural given his current position). I feel some people are just too eager to search out the new McGregor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    There's nothing wrong with setting yourself targets and goals and speaking them aloud. What's the point in pretending the UFC is not a target? Anyone who ever steps into that cage has the dream of fighting in the UFC.

    Everyone (most people) thinks pressure and nerves are negative debilitating factors that should be avoided. If you accept those feelings and emotions as part of life and understand how they effect you, they can become positive factors and facilitate someone in achieving their goals.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    I said he can make it to the UFC I didn't say he could be a champion or the next McGregor that standard is far apart from just fighting there.
    He was right what he said any fighter dreams of the UFC, no one wakes up and says I want to be a bellator champion.
    I watched many of his ammy fights he's impressive and he's got a great coaches in fields and king. I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    rob316 wrote: »
    I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.

    Probably more that SBG know they're not UFC caliber, Kiefer is probably the best prospect at the mo, maybe Queally as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Ross Pearson just got absolutely startched with a rolling thunder. Amazing KO.

    https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/1195836332540600320?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rob316 wrote: »
    I
    I watched many of his ammy fights he's impressive and he's got a great coaches in fields and king. I'm hoping team KF can bring the next wave of fighters to the UFC as SBG seem happy with middling it in Bellator.
    The SBG guys are in Belator because they aren’t currently good enough for the UFC.
    Same reason that the lads in cage warriors aren’t good enough. Getting signed by the UFC has very little to do with wanting to be there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    Probably more that SBG know they're not UFC caliber, Kiefer is probably the best prospect at the mo, maybe Queally as well.

    Queally? He's a bang average pro fighter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    rob316 wrote: »
    Queally? He's a bang average pro fighter.

    This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.

    He care barely win against cans in Bellator, he wouldn't have a hope in the ufc imo.

    Poor man's Pendred.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Tazzimus wrote: »
    This is why I said maybe. Plenty like him in the UFC, he'd have a small chance.

    Not a hope of the UFC he's 30 and a cage legacy level fighter. He's tough but that's about it. They did the experiment of Conor's buddy in the UFC with Ward and he was a disaster.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,795 ✭✭✭dulux99


    Crosbie is 29 too. Bit old to be a prospect. The current sbg crop wouldn't be in the UFC even if they weren't locked down to bellator, realistically. Delusions of grandeur seems to be a big thing in SBG these days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    rob316 wrote: »
    Not a hope of the UFC he's 30 and a cage legacy level fighter. He's tough but that's about it. They did the experiment of Conor's buddy in the UFC with Ward and he was a disaster.
    I agree with you that he’s not good enough for the UFC. But a few posts ago you were criticising them for “middling it in Belator”. A bit contradictory.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Mellor wrote: »
    I agree with you that he’s not good enough for the UFC. But a few posts ago you were criticising them for “middling it in Belator”. A bit contradictory.

    Not aimed at queally but there is a host of other prospects there taking the money now and not pushing for the UFC.


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