How bad is Eastern Europe etc

The_Brood wrote: »

My guess is you are neither Eastern European (I am), nor do you know many Eastern Europeans in Ireland, nor do you know the economic realities in Eastern Europe.

Funny I have worked in hospitality in Ireland and England so have worked with lots of people from behind the old iron curtain and have never heard a single one who calls themselves"eastern European" in fact they hate the term so I'm calling bull

The_Brood wrote: »

You also obviously don't live anywhere near Dublin city center and have no clue what goes on. No clue.

I don't know where you are sitting commenting on all these things but nothing of what you're posting reflects reality.

I live in Bray but I know Dublin city centre very well and I also know the area as I worked in the IFSC for five years so was regularly on Talbot Street.

I get what people are saying but I'm pointing out that it does not represent the whole city an also that other cities in Europe have problems as well.

There are also plenty of areas in the city centre that are completely fine.

I've had loads of night socialising in Dublin city and have never once in 30 odd years felt unsafe or threatened.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Though not strictly Eastern Europe, Lithuania (one of the 3 Baltic States) is a fantastic place.

I lived there for 18 months while on a work assignment, and the capitol city Vilnius was fantastic. Great bars, great clubs, great restaurants, and great culture all round. (would put Dublin to shame in a lot of categories). People were incredibly friendly, and in the 18 months I was there, we were never hassled once by drunkards, or toe rags in general (we went out every weekend and simply didn't see any behaviour like this).

Before I went there I was expecting to enter an 80's style Soviet dystopia, but was quite shocked at how modern the place was.

I spent the first 9 months I was there single, and had a great time in that regard (women were incredibly friendly & beautiful)..... then the 2nd 9 months I was in a relationship with a girl. 10 years later we are still together. She followed me back to Ireland a few months after I left as she transferred from the Lithuanian office to her companies U.K. office (and got to be home based in Ireland).

For anyone that's never been, I'd highly recommend going for a long weekend if/when things get back to normal.

For me its hard to beat strolling down laisves aleja in Kaunas in the spring or winter snow, making your way down to the old town to meet up with someone. O motoring there drivers drive a bit aggressively imv but you get used to it

murpho999 wrote: »

Also, "Benefits underclass". What is this as people in Ireland don't receive "benefits".

If you really live here you should know who they are, I don't need to draw a diagram for you.

When I came here 13 years ago I found Ireland to be very uncivilised - your access to goods and services was shockingly poor and prices were shocking for a Pole like me. It's changing now, more things can be done online but still I miss big shops with a huge variety of things like furniture. I found a lot of houses looked almost identical on the inside - tiles, furniture and styles - that is something we don't get, we love doing up our houses, even if it means retiling the whole thing every 5 years so no wonder diy markets are aplenty back home.

Most of my friends who stayed back home are doing fine, if you get a job with decent salary you've no reason to emigrate.

I find in continental Europe we tend to be more by the book than here - probably due to the fact our law does not let us get away with many things, especially when it comes to debts - electricity and water get cut off if you don't pay, homes get repossessed and debt collectors will take your sofa and social payments, there's no escaping it

We drive cars older than here, a lot of petrol cars converted to LPG because it's cheaper and we do seem grim and serious, but that's just the way we look, we're fun really

dmrules wrote: »

Hi, I am here 20 years(used to live in UK for 3 years previously, didn't like it though) I am from Poland. Didn't come to Ireland to save money etc. I like the country , people, good craic, etc. Never been on the dole . Bought the house in 2005. Settled down for good I'd say.
I don't agree with the statement "2004 that Irish unemployment rates have not shot up with this hoards of Eastern Europeans coming over and claiming our social welfare"
I thought that recession was the reason of huge numbers signing up for the dole not "hoards of EE coming here claiming our social welfare" ( claiming our jobs )

Thanks

you are disagreeing with somebody who is saying the same thing as you.

PTH2009 wrote: »

just curious how bad is Eastern Europe if we're getting so much migration too here of all places

Is it over populated and jobs are hard to come by ?
They seem large countries with the same service's as us

Sorry to nitpick, but a fair few people here are referencing the likes of Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia when afaik a lot of these people see themselves as Central European and definitely not Eastern European.

They see Eastern Europe as really the former Soviet states.

I have been chastised about this by Polish colleagues.

People have moved here and the likes of UK because standard of living is better.
And the standard of living depends on the country in question.
Czech Republic, Slovakia, Estonia, Hungary would definitely be far better than say Moldova, Romania, Belarus.

Deleted User wrote: »

The women get more beautiful the further east you go..

Estonia women are hot.

whisky_galore wrote: »

Found those countries and their cities easy, cheap and very safe to get around. Most places were neat, litter free and well looked after.

Unlike here no nackery kids throwing fireworks, burnt out cars or benefits underclass perpetually making trouble. They can do apartment living without going down the Ballymun dystopia road.

Found the exact same in my travels.I think it stems from having a system where the laws are enforced without question and punishment is handed down .What our baby factory underclass get away with would not be tolerated anywhere .

Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »

They're claiming the dole and only flying in to collect it.

Some are getting it paid into their bank account.

Some foreign women are claiming single mother's allowance for children not even living in the state.

how dare you to insult traveling Irish community

dmrules wrote: »

Hi, I am here 20 years(used to live in UK for 3 years previously, didn't like it though) I am from Poland. Didn't come to Ireland to save money etc. I like the country , people, good craic, etc. Never been on the dole . Bought the house in 2005. Settled down for good I'd say.
I don't agree with the statement "2004 that Irish unemployment rates have not shot up with this hoards of Eastern Europeans coming over and claiming our social welfare"
I thought that recession was the reason of huge numbers signing up for the dole not "hoards of EE coming here claiming our social welfare" ( claiming our jobs )

Thanks

I think you've misunderstood my post. I'm arguing against someone who claims to be "Eastern European" that people are just coming here to claim social welfare but my experience has been that people who emigrate here are like yourself, working hard and contributing.

Glad to hear things are going well for you here.

I'd consider moving to Budapest or Prague if work from home becomes a permanent thing.

Ireland is far too expensive, I can never see myself being able to afford a house so much as paying rent for even a one bedroom apartment.
It's simply not justifiable. Ireland is great if you have a mortgage back from pre 2008 along with even an average paid job now but it's impossible to get on nowadays and these cheap eastern European countries provide the opportunity to have space and cheap living. Wouldn't want to buy there but to pay cheap rent for space and have a lower cost of living would be lovely.

The_Brood wrote: »

You get paid more to come over here and take the dole money for no work than you do working full time at even average-paid jobs in several parts of Eastern Europe.

Let that sink in.

Yes but you need to live somewhere, so need deposits for rent etc.

Problems with residency permits, bank accounts, PPS numbers, language problems, missing family and friends, cultural differences, food. etc.

This is to name just a few. The vast majority of people do not want this and there's more to life than living in a placet get social welfare.

Costs higher here too so it all gets cancelled out.

Really the idea that loads of people just come here for social welfare just makes no sense to me.