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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian for comparing public criticism of her paranoid "political views" to the persecution the Jews went through in Nazi Germany.

    On one hand, you shouldn't be able to fire someone just because they support the other team. On the other hand, it's not the smartest move to be trivialising what Jewish people went through by comparing it to the fact that she doesn't like wearing a mask.

    You also shouldn't be peddling conspiracy theories (Qanon) with deep roots in Anti-Semitism in an industry where a lot of the people who do the hiring and firing are Jewish. Not very smart!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭Chairman Meow


    Shes been posting awful **** for a long time now tho. This last post comparing Republicans to 1930s era Jews was just the last straw.

    She fell ass backwards into an acting gig on the biggest streaming show on the planet despite being a pretty terrible actress. I literally said this to my wife when season 2 of The Mandalorian came out, that she has basically won the lottery landing this role and if she isn't careful she's going to get fired. She works for Disney and despite their own history of antisemitism from Walt, she posted some **** that her employers found offensive, and she lost her job. Its as simple as that. I guarantee if i had a large social media following and i started posting anti-gay memes or comparing the plight of the left handed trying to use a can opener to the Jews in 1930s Germany, my employers would fire me so fast my head would spin, because I'm poorly representing my firm. Carano will whine about persecution and censorship but at the end of the day, when you're a star like she is, you represent your employers at Disney 24/7, and everything you put out in the public spehere via social media reflects on them. They didn't like what she said, so they canned her ass. Simple as that. Its not censorship, its not cancel culture, its you acting like a ****ing clown and -oh look!- the consequences of your actions have arrived.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian for comparing public criticism of her paranoid "political views" to the persecution the Jews went through in Nazi Germany.

    On one hand, you shouldn't be able to fire someone just because they support the other team.

    Just to play devil's advocate here. People call Trump and the geebags that follow him Nazi's all the time. We also have phrases like Grammar Nazis. She's an anti-masker comparing people wearing masks to the Nazis. If it had been the other way around, there would be no outcry.

    I don't think this has anything to do with her opinions. She was fired because of the sheer amount of controversy around her affecting the Disney brand and the bottom line. She could probably be a full on Nazi and Disney wouldn't care if it didn't cause any controversy. Look at the shít Disney pulled with John Boyega on the Star Wars posters in China while tweeting about racial equality.

    For the record, I actually don't have a problem with anti-maskers in general. If you don't like wearing them, don't think they work, fair enough. But if you're required to wear them in a shop or bus or whatever, then just wear them. Same way a shop might require you to wear shoes or a t-shirt or remove a motorbike helmet. The ones that go nuts and get aggresive/violent over it are a shower of bastárds though. The Qanon crowd are on a whole other level and from what little I've seen she seems to have gone pretty far down that rabbit hole.
    She fell ass backwards into an acting gig on the biggest streaming show on the planet despite being a pretty terrible actress. I literally said this to my wife when season 2 of The Mandalorian came out, that she has basically won the lottery landing this role and if she isn't careful she's going to get fired.

    She was due to get her own spin off show as well. She won the lotto with The Mandalorian. The spin off show would have been the Euromillions. It probably would have been a big enough show so the money she would have made from that probably would have set her up for life and probably led to other roles. Apparently she was warned before to dial it down. Crazy to throw all that away. I can her struggling to get acting work now.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Gina was harassed and bullied for months by trolls, just for putting "boop beep" in her twitter bio. Bots were used to bombard her with thousands of vile messages daily.

    That kind of harassment campaign is going to have an impact on anyone's mental health. There's no question she has been behaving strangely but I see her as a victim of woke bullying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Just to play devil's advocate here. People call Trump and the geebags that follow him Nazi's all the time. We also have phrases like Grammar Nazis. She's an anti-masker comparing people wearing masks to the Nazis. If it had been the other way around, there would be no outcry.

    Whataboutery i'm afraid!
    The Qanon crowd are on a whole other level and from what little I've seen she seems to have gone pretty far down that rabbit hole.

    That's the thing, she's a Qanon supporter. She has tweeted things about it before. She's claiming to be persecuted like the Jews, whilst perpetuating the very same conspiracies and paranoia that led to the Jews being persecuted.
    I don't think this has anything to do with her opinions. She was fired because of the sheer amount of controversy around her affecting the Disney brand

    Exactly. Just like Armie Hammer recently being given the boot for his text messages saying he wants to eat human flesh or whatever......... PR is what decides whether you work in Hollywood or not.

    And if you're going around saying you want to eat people like Armie Hammer, or spreading lies saying that others like Hilary Clinton, Anderson Cooper and anyone else who you don't agree with are literally drinking the blood of babies, like Gina Carano has with Qanon, then don't be surprised if Disney don't want you in their TV show.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Gina was harassed and bullied for months by trolls, just for putting "boop beep" in her twitter bio. Bots were used to bombard her with thousands of vile messages daily.

    That kind of harassment campaign is going to have an impact on anyone's mental health. There's no question she has been behaving strangely but I see her as a victim of woke bullying.

    Wait.........

    So Gina Carano has conservative views and shares them on instagram. She believes there should be only two genders and regular convervative stuff. But she also believes in Qanon and shares stuff about it. Because of this, there was a backlash from left wing people on social media.

    What you're saying is.......... she only believes this stuff BECAUSE OF the backlash she received for believing this stuff? That the "bullying" affected her mental health and now she believes those things?

    Did she send Arnie & Michael Biehn back in time to plant those ideas after the backlash or something?


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Gina was harassed and bullied for months by trolls, just for putting "boop beep" in her twitter bio. Bots were used to bombard her with thousands of vile messages daily.

    That kind of harassment campaign is going to have an impact on anyone's mental health. There's no question she has been behaving strangely but I see her as a victim of woke bullying.

    Woke bullying :pac: :pac: :pac: :pac:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Wait.........

    So Gina Carano has conservative views and shares them on instagram. She believes there should be only two genders and regular convervative stuff. But she also believes in Qanon and shares stuff about it. Because of this, there was a backlash from left wing people on social media.

    What you're saying is.......... she only believes this stuff BECAUSE OF the backlash she received for believing this stuff? That the "bullying" affected her mental health and now she believes those things?

    Did she send Arnie & Michael Biehn back in time to plant those ideas after the backlash or something?
    Her social media posting was normal prior to the bullying campaign.

    She became increasingly right-wing and anti-SJW after the bullying campaign.

    She received hundreds of vile messages on a daily basis. If you think that will not affect someones mental health - and therefore their behaviour - then you are delusional.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Exactly. Just like Armie Hammer recently being given the boot for his text messages saying he wants to eat human flesh or whatever......... PR is what decides whether you work in Hollywood or not.

    And if you're going around saying you want to eat people like Armie Hammer, or spreading lies saying that others like Hilary Clinton, Anderson Cooper and anyone else who you don't agree with are literally drinking the blood of babies, like Gina Carano has with Qanon, then don't be surprised if Disney don't want you in their TV show.

    Thought you were talking about Sam Rockwell here. For some reason I thought his character's name in Iron Man was Armie Hammer, not Justin Hammer. Had to google who he was. Jesus, some weird, crazy shít there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Her social media posting was normal prior to the bullying campaign.

    Please explain this though.

    If she wasn't posting right wing stuff, why were people sending her vile messages? I don't follow.


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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Please explain this though.

    If she wasn't posting right wing stuff, why were people sending her vile messages? I don't follow.
    SJWs demanded that she put her "pronouns" in her twitter profile.

    She didn't want to do it, but after months of harassment she put "beep boop bop" as a joke.

    That was it, that's what it all goes back to. She was declared transphobic and she began receiving vile messages on a daily basis, threats against her life, etc. Bots were used to bombard her with messages telling her to kill herself.

    People react to bullying in different ways. Gina has a history of mental health problems incl self-harm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    SJWs demanded that she put her "pronouns" in her twitter profile.

    She didn't want to do it, but after months of harassment she put "beep boop bop" as a joke.

    That was it, that's what it all goes back to. She was declared transphobic and she began receiving vile messages on a daily basis, threats against her life, etc. Bots were used to bombard her with messages telling her to kill herself.

    People react to bullying in different ways. Gina has a history of mental health problems incl self-harm.

    Nah!

    She's getting called out on her sh*t and now you're doing mental gymnastics to use this to have a go at the "woke left". It doesn't wash i'm afraid.


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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Nah!

    She's getting called out on her sh*t and now you're doing mental gymnastics to use this to have a go at the "woke left". It doesn't wash i'm afraid.
    If these are "mental gymnastics" you must be pretty out of shape between the ears.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


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    If these are "mental gymnastics" you must be pretty out of shape between the ears.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,980 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    SJWs demanded that she put her "pronouns" in her twitter profile.
    Why was she targeted for no reason?
    Doesn’t seem likely.
    That was it, that's what it all goes back to. She was declared transphobic and she began receiving vile messages on a daily basis, threats against her life, etc.
    Do you have a source for these claims?
    Pretty sure random people can’t send you DMs on Twitter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    Gina Carano's family have casino money. Her keeping the Disney gig or not will have no real effect on her monetarily. Companies can make you tow the line when you need them, she doesn't.

    She's likely been told numerous times, she'll be gone and lose her spin off if she keeps posting comparing herself to holocaust victims and previous posts about Jewish people controlling the world (a few months back I'm pretty sure she posted a Qanon themed meme that depicted Jewish people in this light but can't find it now). Apparently it was Jon Favreau constantly going to bat for her job was why she kept the gig this long. She kept posting because who knows, may be she believes it, maybe she doesn't, maybe she wants to get in on the politics grift instead of acting, who knows.

    Conservative, wealthy family, a following, is a 'victim' in her eyes and good looking woman = countless landing zones for her. She's not going to disappear, she'll be on every grifters podcast and show over the next few months and then who knows what she does from there.

    Edit: not sure if her post came from Qanon. It was a mural (which was criticised for it's anti-semitism) that was updated to show George Soros etc. Someone grabbed a screen shot of the post here.

    There are likely very good people to stand behind that have been 'cancelled' by an online mob for very little. Gina Carano is not that person.

    https://twitter.com/jons6111/status/1359930641933041665


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Fromvert wrote: »
    Gina Carano's family have casino money. Her keeping the Disney gig or not will have no real effect on her monetarily. Companies can make you tow the line when you need them, she doesn't.

    She's likely been told numerous times, she'll be gone and lose her spin off if she keeps posting comparing herself to holocaust victims and previous posts about Jewish people controlling the world (a few months back I'm pretty sure she posted a Qanon themed meme that depicted Jewish people in this light but can't find it now). Apparently it was Jon Favreau constantly going to bat for her job was why she kept the gig this long. She kept posting because who knows, may be she believes it, maybe she doesn't, maybe she wants to get in on the politics grift instead of acting, who knows.

    Conservative, wealthy family, a following and good looking woman = countless landing zones for her. She's not going to disappear, she'll be on every grifters podcast and show over the next few months and then who knows what she does from there.

    I think she probably does believe it. As mad as it sounds. Sure, Jon Voight put out a video after the election results saying the election was stolen. Then there are all the famous celebs who are anti-vaxers. It's mad shít altogether but somehow people get caught up in it. No idea how some of this stuff catches on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    I think she probably does believe it. As mad as it sounds. Sure, Jon Voight put out a video after the election results saying the election was stolen. Then there are all the famous celebs who are anti-vaxers. It's mad shít altogether but somehow people get caught up in it. No idea how some of this stuff catches on.

    I don't get it myself and most people I know don't get it, it's the loons online who just watch all the back and forth and then pick a side and pile in. You have conservatives losing their mind about the terror of socialism ripping the great USA apart. The man heading this socialist movement? Joe Biden! The most centrist (probably seen as more centre right in Europe), lets not rock the boat politician around!


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,548 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    I think she probably does believe it. As mad as it sounds. Sure, Jon Voight put out a video after the election results saying the election was stolen. Then there are all the famous celebs who are anti-vaxers. It's mad shít altogether but somehow people get caught up in it. No idea how some of this stuff catches on.

    Famous people are still people and people are idiots.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Mellor wrote: »
    Why was she targeted for no reason?
    Doesn’t seem likely.


    Do you have a source for these claims?
    Pretty sure random people can’t send you DMs on Twitter.

    Loads of celebrities were being bombarded in a trend (probably still are) to add their pronouns on their twitter bio. If you or your show or anything to do with you was in any way trending on twitter you can guarantee there are replies underneath saying add your pronouns. Her co star Pedro Pascal was being tweeted all the time to do it and he eventually updated his, she was constantly messaged about it but didn't want to. She wasn't targeted, Mandalorian was just trending regularly at the time so Pedro Pascal and her were obvious people to bombard about it. Same thing was going on with musicians, film stars, politicians.

    The messages werent DM’s, just standard tweets calling her transphobic, a bitch, fat, to kill herself etc etc. When she added beep/bop/boop to her bio that obviously did her no favours and just escalated the whole thing, add in the other tweets she had about covid, anti maskers and political views and she was just pouring petrol on a fire.

    As Alf Veedersane said, celebs are still people and people are idiots. Celebrities have a platform and a wider audience and should be more aware what they post is under constant scrutiny. Post stuff thats gonna offend people and make your employer look bad if they ignore it and its gonna bite you in the ass.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Lads what does beep bop bop mean , sorry I'm way out of the loop with that sort of stuff


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,461 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Its the sounds R2D2 makes in Star Wars


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,733 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Axwell wrote: »
    Its the sounds R2D2 makes in Star Wars

    Ok grand that's what I thought it was but I want sure.

    Cheers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    As I said in another thread............

    She compared criticism of her conservative/right-wing political ideas to the persecution and systematic genocide of the Jewish population in Nazi Germany. She was insinuating that those steps taken to criticise her and others like her are akin to the first steps in the process that brain-washed a massive chunk of an entire generation of Germans that led to such atrocities.

    This is after spending the past few months spreading, propagating and promoting right-wing conspiracy theories, including the QAnon theory that is literally rooted in anti-Semitism and is almost a mirror image of the kinds of lies and propaganda that was fed to people back then to lead to the darkest page in recent human history.

    It's not a crime to have different political ideas, but if it was illegal to not understand irony then she would have been launched into space immediately.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    Well he's out of the whiskey business (with likely a nice chunk of money). Maybe he'll be a little more active or more likely he'll buy another boat :pac:

    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/3/3/22311028/conor-mcgregor-bought-out-of-proper-12-whiskey-company-jose-cuervo-mma-ufc-news

    Hold on, he bought the Black Forge last year and put a million into doing it up? I missed that, maybe he'll spend his days pulling pints and switching between RUK and Sky Sports Racing for the regs.

    https://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/conor-mcgregor-pictured-inside-his-pub-black-forge-inn-after-3m-makeover-39906132.html


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,039 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Seems an odd decision to buy him out seeing as he is essentially the brand. They would have to keep him on in some way at least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    Fromvert wrote: »
    Well he's out of the whiskey business (with likely a nice chunk of money). Maybe he'll be a little more active or more likely he'll buy another boat :pac:

    https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2021/3/3/22311028/conor-mcgregor-bought-out-of-proper-12-whiskey-company-jose-cuervo-mma-ufc-news

    Hold on, he bought the Black Forge last year and put a million into doing it up? I missed that, maybe he'll spend his days pulling pints and switching between RUK and Sky Sports Racing for the regs.

    https://www.independent.ie/style/celebrity/celebrity-news/conor-mcgregor-pictured-inside-his-pub-black-forge-inn-after-3m-makeover-39906132.html

    Is there any talk on how much they bought him out for?


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,980 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Whelo79 wrote: »
    Is there any talk on how much they bought him out for?
    They sold 215m cases last year. Which is probably €50m turnover, a 4x valuation would be €200m. The Mexicans paid €58m for 29% last time. Which matches that valuation.

    Which means at a minimum, this was €102m. But likely a bit more a bit more. Definitely a 9 figure buyout.


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,497 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    It's a bit odd, wasn't it only yesterday he was buying bottle on his Instagram live showing it off


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,124 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    Jesus wept, remember what happened the last time he got 100 million.


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