Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

[Deleted User] · 13-01-2021 5:21pm

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't see why people are upset about this.

You don't understand why people are annoyed about something being more expensive today than it was this day last week? Really?

I love a few pints etc. More in the pub but since lockdown more at home.

I think over the last 6 months I've probably been drinking more over the course of a week than I normally would.

And?

Either way, alcohol is not really good for us

Source for this?

and having it separated in shops is a good thing.

Why?

Not so much for adults now but for future generations where alcohol won't be just considered a normal product like it has done for years.

By years you mean thousands yes?

I can remember similar outcries of nanny statie approaches when other new laws came in such as wearing seat belts, drink driving restrictions and smoking bans and now they're all accepted as normal and we wouldn't change the laws.

Seat belts and drink driving laws make sense though. This doesn't.

I completely understand people being cynical of this in relation to lobbying and protecting of pub trade but I think in the long term Ireland would benefit by changing its relationship with alcohol somewhat and people would be healthier, social and domestic problems would ease also.

Drinking in ireland has been decreasing for years already. We'd be healthier and happier if the laws got enforced and and the people causing misery got sent to jail.

Quackster · 13-01-2021 5:27pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Snickers Man wrote: »

Individually priced at €3.20 (down from €3.50 as was AFAIR) so effectively a €0.70 cent per bottle price rise, given that I only ever bought them in fours because, well, why wouldn't you?

Picked some up for €2.60 each in Dunnes yesterday. Shop around!

Snickers Man · 13-01-2021 7:20pm

Quackster wrote: »

Picked some up for €2.60 each in Dunnes yesterday. Shop around!

Good to know. The Retail Empires Strike Back, or at least some of them do.

Quackster · 13-01-2021 11:35pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Snickers Man wrote: »

Good to know. The Retail Empires Strike Back, or at least some of them do.

Actually, 'twas Sunday. My last time throwing a few beers in with the shopping to get me over the €50! They'd already changed their pricing at that stage though.

Was going to pick up a few Leann Folláin but they're now €2.80 each.

Potential-Monke · 14-01-2021 12:43am

*Checks in on thread*

*People giving out that this is a measure being introduced that will penalise everyone even though the vast majority of drinkers have self control and cop on*

*Smiles and lights joint*

*Leaves thread*

listermint · 14-01-2021 12:53am

Quackster wrote: »

Actually, 'twas Sunday. My last time throwing a few beers in with the shopping to get me over the €50! They'd already changed their pricing at that stage though.

Was going to pick up a few Leann Folláin but they're now €2.80 each.

It's all going up .

Exactly as I said it would.

Smart move by the vintners lobbying for this. Push more people to home brew and after covid most won't be able to open again. Doors closing all over the place. They've really managed to punish their consumers.

Silly silly boys.

Suckit · 14-01-2021 2:15am

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't see why people are upset about this.
I love a few pints etc. More in the pub but since lockdown more at home.
I think over the last 6 months I've probably been drinking more over the course of a week than I normally would.
Either way, alcohol is not really good for us and having it separated in shops is a good thing. Not so much for adults now but for future generations where alcohol won't be just considered a normal product like it has done for years.
I can remember similar outcries of nanny statie approaches when other new laws came in such as wearing seat belts, drink driving restrictions and smoking bans and now they're all accepted as normal and we wouldn't change the laws.
I completely understand people being cynical of this in relation to lobbying and protecting of pub trade but I think in the long term Ireland would benefit by changing its relationship with alcohol somewhat and people would be healthier, social and domestic problems would ease also.

There are so many issue I have with your post, that I am genuinely having trouble trying to pick where to start.
The first three sentences are all about you, and the fact that you find yourself drinking more than normal or possibly out of moderation, also during the weirdest, most unsociable time of our lives - and you can't see why 'people' would be upset with it going up. The same people that don't abuse drink? The same that don't have issues? Just because you do.
You should take a look at how lockdown is affecting you, not the alcohol. If you are turning to alcohol to get through it, or relieve boredom etc. and aren't happy with it, then that is down to you and you alone. If you cannot control it, seek help, don't blame others, or stores because they sell it and you can afford it.

If you think that this will not encourage the younger generation to start taking cheaper drugs, especially in the less well off areas, then you are barking mad. The drug trade in Ireland has already made it’s first Billionaire(s) and is growing.
This has not been thought out properly at all.
Long term Ireland has been doing ok, but to change it’s relationship with alcohol, we need to embrace it, and relax the laws, not put more restrictions on it, and try and use bullshit excuses that it is for our health. If that is the case, raise the prices of processed foods, meats etc. High in sugar content.
Everything is bad for you when taken out of moderation, but those in particular are worse.
Lower the price - set a ‘maximum’ bar or 'roof price' for which they cannot go above for the healthier foods and drinks etc.
The government are full of shit bringing this is in and pushing it through. They get away with so much, they know this is just another.
Smoking bans, seatbelts, and drink driving restrictions are not the same thing at all.
AAI seem to all have a story about being affected by alcohol, or know somebody that is.
That is an understandable grievance that they have, and while they are not alone, it shouldn’t mean that they for some weird reason get massive funding to campaign and have the power to bring in new laws. Not everyone abuses alcohol the way the people they know did, and there are much bigger issues, this is not tackling anything, no matter what they try and kid themselves.

Kivaro · 14-01-2021 10:39am

Wonder what the Health Minister Stephen Donnelly meant a few days ago when he said that we should not be able to buy alcohol for "pocket money prices". I thought that was a bit condescending of him. According to the dictionary, pocket money is described as: a small amount of extra money.

So are the people who bust their backsides all week working or just surviving, and then find some small amount of extra money, after all the bills are paid and excess Irish taxes are taken, treat themselves to low cost alcohol; are they somehow to feel guilty for spending their own money?
Very odd comment from Donnelly.

Jerry Atrick · 14-01-2021 10:45am

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Was in Tesco last night, a very basic question...are all the offers now a thing of the past? Is it just the advertising of said offers or are the 4 for €10 now fully null and void? This is the greatest codology if that is the case.

Kivaro · 14-01-2021 10:49am

While understand that some people have alcohol issues, I'm sure that Alcohol Action Ireland (AAI) are busy now after their recent success figuring out ways to further reduce the availability of alcohol to consenting adults in Ireland.

odyssey06 · 14-01-2021 11:10am

Jerry Atrick wrote: »

Was in Tesco last night, a very basic question...are all the offers now a thing of the past? Is it just the advertising of said offers or are the 4 for €10 now fully null and void? This is the greatest codology if that is the case.

4 for €10 mix and match gone.
4 cans in a pack with its own barcode for €10 is ok.

You also can't collect or use loyalty points or spend and save vouchers for alcohol, so can't be used in Dunnes €50 voucher spend.

Mr. teddywinkles · 14-01-2021 11:21am

Kivaro wrote: »

Wonder what the Health Minister Stephen Donnelly meant a few days ago when he said that we should not be able to buy alcohol for "pocket money prices". I thought that was a bit condescending of him. According to the dictionary, pocket money is described as: a small amount of extra money.

So are the people who bust their backsides all week working or just surviving, and then find some small amount of extra money, after all the bills are paid and excess Irish taxes are taken, treat themselves to low cost alcohol; are they somehow to feel guilty for spending their own money?
Very odd comment from Donnelly.

Politicians are on big money for doing fook all so a 50e bottle of wine is peanuts to them

Purgative · 14-01-2021 11:23am

I hear the Dáil bar is still very reasonable.

Doctor Jimbob · 14-01-2021 11:24am

Kivaro wrote: »

Wonder what the Health Minister Stephen Donnelly meant a few days ago when he said that we should not be able to buy alcohol for "pocket money prices". I thought that was a bit condescending of him. According to the dictionary, pocket money is described as: a small amount of extra money.

So are the people who bust their backsides all week working or just surviving, and then find some small amount of extra money, after all the bills are paid and excess Irish taxes are taken, treat themselves to low cost alcohol; are they somehow to feel guilty for spending their own money?
Very odd comment from Donnelly.

It's just an attempt to keep up the myth that alcohol is cheap in Ireland.

Jerry Atrick · 14-01-2021 1:46pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

odyssey06 wrote: »

4 for €10 mix and match gone.
4 cans in a pack with its own barcode for €10 is ok.

You also can't collect or use loyalty points or spend and save vouchers for alcohol, so can't be used in Dunnes €50 voucher spend.

What a crock of sh1te

murpho999 · 14-01-2021 3:26pm

Suckit wrote: »

There are so many issue I have with your post, that I am genuinely having trouble trying to pick where to start.
The first three sentences are all about you, and the fact that you find yourself drinking more than normal or possibly out of moderation, also during the weirdest, most unsociable time of our lives - and you can't see why 'people' would be upset with it going up. The same people that don't abuse drink? The same that don't have issues? Just because you do.
You should take a look at how lockdown is affecting you, not the alcohol. If you are turning to alcohol to get through it, or relieve boredom etc. and aren't happy with it, then that is down to you and you alone. If you cannot control it, seek help, don't blame others, or stores because they sell it and you can afford it.

If you think that this will not encourage the younger generation to start taking cheaper drugs, especially in the less well off areas, then you are barking mad. The drug trade in Ireland has already made it’s first Billionaire(s) and is growing.
This has not been thought out properly at all.
Long term Ireland has been doing ok, but to change it’s relationship with alcohol, we need to embrace it, and relax the laws, not put more restrictions on it, and try and use bullshit excuses that it is for our health. If that is the case, raise the prices of processed foods, meats etc. High in sugar content.
Everything is bad for you when taken out of moderation, but those in particular are worse.
Lower the price - set a ‘maximum’ bar or 'roof price' for which they cannot go above for the healthier foods and drinks etc.
The government are full of shit bringing this is in and pushing it through. They get away with so much, they know this is just another.
Smoking bans, seatbelts, and drink driving restrictions are not the same thing at all.
AAI seem to all have a story about being affected by alcohol, or know somebody that is.
That is an understandable grievance that they have, and while they are not alone, it shouldn’t mean that they for some weird reason get massive funding to campaign and have the power to bring in new laws. Not everyone abuses alcohol the way the people they know did, and there are much bigger issues, this is not tackling anything, no matter what they try and kid themselves.

Well my first 3 lines were just to show that i'm not someone who is anti drink or anything like that.
I also never said I abuse drink at all but find myself moderately drinking more as I work from home now and might have one or two beers during the week when I finish whereas normally I don't bother. Does not mean I have a problem with alcohol so there's no need for your lecture thank you.

Also if you read my post you'll see I was referring more to the separation of alcohol in the supermarkets, which I think makes sense and I never mentioned pricing at all.

In relation to pricing , I don't think it's as bad as people make out . I do however feel the legislation is coming from lobbying by publicans.

Either way I have not noticed any increase in price in my local supermarket this week.

I do think that smoking bans etc are comparable as they're laws designed to affect people's behaviour and were also met with a lot of opposition.

Also, the drug issue, completely separate. But maybe that should be looked at as many would argue that drugs are less harmful to society than alcohol.

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2021 3:28pm

Purgative wrote: »

I hear the Dáil bar is still very reasonable.

I've been in the visitors bar which is on the other side of the Dail bar a few times and it's the same prices as any other pub really.

Macy0161 · 14-01-2021 4:00pm

Was in an O'Briens at lunch - their craft beer shelves were labelled "€2.50 = 4 for €10" and "€3 = 3 for €9". It's only a matter of time before the multiples do the same, but they'll never let an opportunity to catch people on the family shop pass...

[Deleted User] · 14-01-2021 4:14pm

Murpho999 wrote:

Also, the drug issue, completely separate. But maybe that should be looked at as many would argue that drugs are less harmful to society than alcohol.

Who are these people? Drug dealers?

murpho999 · 14-01-2021 4:32pm

denartha wrote: »

Who are these people? Drug dealers?

There's been lots of studies and reports of comparing harmful physical effects of alcohol and drugs and alcohol has more impact.
It's the addiction with drugs that leads to other problems.

Zaph · 14-01-2021 4:34pm

Macy0161 wrote: »

Was in an O'Briens at lunch - their craft beer shelves were labelled "€2.50 = 4 for €10" and "€3 = 3 for €9".

It possibly says a lot about the state of education in the country that they felt the need to spell that out, rather than assuming people would be able to figure it out themselves.

[Deleted User] · 14-01-2021 4:44pm

Zaph wrote: »

It possibly says a lot about the state of education in the country that they felt the need to spell that out, rather than assuming people would be able to figure it out themselves.

It's a bit delboy-esque. "They're 2.50 each or two for a fiver"

ohnonotgmail · 14-01-2021 5:03pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Well my first 3 lines were just to show that i'm not someone who is anti drink or anything like that.
I also never said I abuse drink at all but find myself moderately drinking more as I work from home now and might have one or two beers during the week when I finish whereas normally I don't bother. Does not mean I have a problem with alcohol so there's no need for your lecture thank you.

Also if you read my post you'll see I was referring more to the separation of alcohol in the supermarkets, which I think makes sense and I never mentioned pricing at all.

In relation to pricing , I don't think it's as bad as people make out . I do however feel the legislation is coming from lobbying by publicans.

Either way I have not noticed any increase in price in my local supermarket this week.

I do think that smoking bans etc are comparable as they're laws designed to affect people's behaviour and were also met with a lot of opposition.

Also, the drug issue, completely separate. But maybe that should be looked at as many would argue that drugs are less harmful to society than alcohol.

the price increases haven't started yet just a ban on bundle deals.

Spanish Eyes · 14-01-2021 5:04pm

Next up is only allowing off sales between 2-5pm or something.

[Deleted User] · 14-01-2021 5:05pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Next up is only allowing off sales between 2-5pm or something.

It wouldn't surprise me. Punish workers further. But little effect on the social classes.

Thelonious Monk · 14-01-2021 5:07pm

Next up will be MUP, but then they'll want half the beer label covered in cancer/mental health warnings.
I wouldn't be surprised if they try and ban it from supermarkets eventually and only have it in specialist shops.
It really irks me the Gov doing this to cater to a few arseholes, it makes me lose respect for the administration and the country in general.

Kivaro · 14-01-2021 5:09pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

.....
It really irks me the Gov doing this to cater to a few arseholes, it makes me lose respect for the administration and the country in general.

I'll drink to that.

Quackster · 14-01-2021 5:17pm

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the price increases haven't started yet just a ban on bundle deals.

That poster mustn't be a craft beer drinker.

As per my previous post, craft beer prices have very much gone up in the supermarkets this week since the €3 for €9 & €4 for €10 offers were banned.

[Deleted User] · 14-01-2021 5:24pm

Quackster wrote: »

That poster mustn't be a craft beer drinker.

As per my previous post, craft beer prices have very much gone up in the supermarkets this week since the €3 for €9 & €4 for €10 offers were banned.

My dad likes the premade cans of Pina Colada. Usually 4 for 10 euro. Now, 2.60 each. Some things have already gone up in price.

I also wonder about the loyalty card thing. They've basically cancelled O'Brien's card now, because all you can use it for are crisps.

ohnonotgmail · 14-01-2021 5:25pm

Quackster wrote: »

That poster mustn't be a craft beer drinker.

As per my previous post, craft beer prices have very much gone up in the supermarkets this week since the €3 for €9 & €4 for €10 offers were banned.

no, the bundling offers have been banned as I said. the price increases i.e. MUP will come later.

Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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