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July 2020 Boards weather forecast contest

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Joe Public wrote: »
    Somehow I thought I did the July forecast but now realise I didn't, strange times!

    Oops, I can tell you why I didn't notice that, I saw 21 forecasters in the contest (before Eon1208) and thought, there's 21 regular entrants, but then got distracted and thought it was 21 from two occasionals which must mean 19 regulars, so then I started to think whose names are missing, and came up with two, however, it was actually three occasionals so I should have been looking for three regulars. In any case by the time I went through all that it was the 4th and late penalties by then are almost 50 points.

    It's not a crippling blow to anyone's chances in the best ten of twelve, just means you can only discard one instead of two scores now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After the first week of July (so they tell us) ...

    IMT on 14.1, which is 0.9 below normal for the week.

    MAX and MIN have not made an appearance yet.

    PRC was 186% of normal.

    SUN only 58% of normal (347/600).

    The highest MIN so far (thanks to Tae laidir for tracking them) is 14.8 at various locations (all __ Park).


  • Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Claremorris recorded a min of 3.1 yesterday. Not sure if it's min so far.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    I think that 3.1 is lowest so far and stands a chance of remaining to the end.

    No real sign of MAX yet, he's been delayed on his travels.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Its always 24 or more around the week of 19th to 26th


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After the second week of July ...

    IMT a rather chilly 13.7, the second week average was 13.3, which was 2.1 below normal.

    MAX remains undetected, MIN 3.1

    PRC now at 155% with the second week average 124% of normal. With no further rainfall this would only guarantee about 70% so a fairly dry outlook could see this down to normal or even into the 90s.

    SUN has improved slightly to 69% with this past week at 79% (474/600).

    The highest minimum remains 14.8 at the three Park locations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    And keeping with the Park theme, Phoenix Park recorded 24.0 yesterday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭pauldry


    And that could take some beating.

    Maybe Moore Park will beat it or Oak Park.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,677 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    24C at Phoenix Park will be hard to beat, not many chances of getting temperatures into the 20's between now and the end of the month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Max Min 15.1c Valentia


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Also for scoring purposes, Shannon at 15.0 moves into second, the three parks remain tied for third at 14.8.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Mt Dillon 2.2c min

    brrrrr


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After three weeks of July ...

    IMT on 14.0, the third week averaged 14.6 which was 0.9 below normal.

    MAX 24.0 and MIN 2.2

    PRC now down to 124% with the third week rather dry, 61% of normal.

    SUN has improved to 91% thanks to the third week being sunnier for a change, 134.5% (807/600).

    The "max min" remains 15.1.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After four weeks ...

    IMT on 14.3 with fourth week 15.1 (0.5 below normal). Will finish around 14.5

    MAX remains 24.0 and MIN 2.2

    PRC back up to 144% with this past week 206%. Should finish around there.

    SUN has slipped back to 87% with this past week around 78% (470/600). Should finish around 85%.

    The "max min" remains 15.1 but I suspect a higher value may occur tomorrow or Friday.

    Will be posting the August contest thread soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭pauldry


    A Max Max might also happen tomorrow or Friday depending on sunshine


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    New Max Min for bonus question 15.6°c at Shannon Airport. Will edit this post if there is a higher figure posted on Met.ie yesterday’s weather page. Edit Shannon has be beaten by Valentia at 15.7°C


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    There was one higher, top three are now all from 30th ...

    Valentia 15.7
    Shannon 15.6
    Mace Head & Belmullet 15.5

    There is some chance of these being overturned today, as some stations have not been below 16 so far. Remains to be seen what they will have by midnight however.


  • Registered Users Posts: 706 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Mace Head now showing 15.5 for yesterday along with Belmullet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭pauldry


    Min temp in Casement so far is 16.8c

    With just 10 hours left in July its going to go right to the wire what the max min will be

    Pheonix Park likely in with a shout too


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭appledrop


    I think it will be Phoneix Park or dare I say it Dublin airport!

    Still very warm here 18 degrees.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,834 ✭✭✭pauldry


    appledrop wrote: »
    I think it will be Phoneix Park or dare I say it Dublin airport!

    Still very warm here 18 degrees.

    Dublin Airport went down to 15.9c

    Pheonix Park it's all yours now for the taking. What have you got?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,099 ✭✭✭John mac


    Casement 16
    Dublin 16
    Dunsany 16
    Oak Park 16
    Phoenix Park 16


    these were midnight min temps from met.ie


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Jpmarn


    New Max Min 15.8°c at Dublin Airport 31st.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Can confirm the above which means 2nd and 3rd highest values came from the previous day (for bonus).

    Normally I can report with some finality on IMT and PRC at this point, but monthly data section has not updated since the 27th on met.ie website. My estimate would be 14.6 for IMT and around 140% for rainfall. Sunshine probably dropped slightly since the last report and may finish around 85%. The previous max and min were not broken recently either.

    With your long weekend, I assume we won't see the MS until the 5th of August. I may get some provisional scoring done before then, but with these other issues I am in no rush.

    My own MAX by the way was 37.8 (at a nearby official site) yesterday. It's one of the hottest days I can remember in my lifetime in Canada although I was in Las Vegas and southern Utah one day in 2011 when it hit 46 C there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Still no updates on "monthly data" since 27th of July, but based on my estimates, this is a look at provisional scoring. Rikand entered a punt on the sixth which does not count for scoring purposes, I added it to the table for his information.

    Estimates: IMT 14.6, PRC 140%, SUN 85%.

    MAX and MIN are more reliable to be checked in MS on 5th, 24.0 and 2.1.

    (edit _ Table updated from these slight changes -- PRC 170%, SUN 83%, MAX 24.1 and MIN 2.2 still require same adjustments)


    Now Confirmed Scoring for August 2020


    FORECASTER _________IMT_MAX_MIN_PRC_SUN __ max min, loc'n __ TOTALS


    Gonzo _______ (-2) ___ 23 _ 19*_ 16*_ 11*_ 09 ___ 6+2 __86-2 = 84

    Appledrop ___________ 23 _ 09*_ 19*_ 14*_ 08 ___ 7+0 _______ 80

    Pauldry _____________ 24 _ 18*_ 10*_ 12*_ 08 ___ 5+0 _______ 77

    Jpmarn _____________ 20 _ 15*_ 20*_ 08*_ 06 ___ 4+0 _______ 73

    sryanbruen __________ 22 _ 17*_ 11*_ 05*_ 09 ___ 4+2 _______ 70

    Bsal ________________21 _ 15*_ 10*_ 08*_ 08 ___ 5+0 _______ 67

    Dasa29 _____________ 21 _ 09*_ 19*_ 12*_ 03 ___ 2+0 _______ 66

    adam240610 _________13 _ 09*_ 19*_ 07*_ 09 ___ 7+0 _______ 64

    Dacogawa ___________19 _ 01*_ 16*_ 15*_ 09 ___ 3+0 _______ 63

    waterways ___________14 _ 10*_ 17*_ 09*_ 06 ___ 7+0 _______ 63

    DOCARCH ___________ 19 _ 14*_ 08*_ 11*_ 08 ___ 2+0 _______ 62

    Artane2002 __________14 _ 11*_ 08*_ 08*_ 10 ___ 7+2+1 _____ 61

    200motels ___________23 _ 06*_ 11*_ 04*_ 10 ___ 4+2 _______ 60


    NormaL _____________18 _ 09*_ 19*_ 03*_ 07 ___ 2+1 _______ 59

    Con Sensus __________19 _ 09*_ 11*_ 05*_ 08 ___ 5+1 _______ 58


    mickger844posts ______19 _ 16*_ 07*_ 03*_ 07 ___ 2+0 _______ 54

    Eon1208 _____ (-5) ___ 15 _ 15*_ 05*_ 05*_ 09 ___ 6+0 __55-5 = 50

    MrSkinner ___________ 15 _ 04*_ 14*_ 03*_ 08 ___ 5+0 _______ 49

    M.T. Cranium _________13 _ 05*_ 14*_ 07*_ 06 ___ 1+0 _______ 46

    john mac _______(-1) _ 16 _ 12*_ 01*_ 05*_ 07 ___ 1+0 __42-1 = 41

    Kindred Spirit ___ (-1) _ 17 _ 00 _ 08*_ 02*_ 05 ___ 3+3 __38-1 = 37

    Tae laidir ____________12 _ 02*_ 12*_ 02*_ 08 ___ 1+0 _______ 37

    Sunflower3 __________ 16 _ 03*_ 02*_ 02*_ 05 ___ 4+0 _______ 32

    WesternStorm ________11 _ 01*_ 00 __01*__06 ___ 1+0 _______ 20


    Rikand _____ (late*) __ 16 _ 03*_ 14*_ 02*_ 03 ___ 7+0 __ (45) (not counted)

    ___________________________________________

    For all scoring decisions, Rikand's entries were scored after the contest entrants and his positions in terms of minimum progression did not affect other scoring.

    * scored by minimum progression (PRC reduced boost if outcome within 6% of 140 (Dacogawa)).

    For the "max min" bonus, as nobody guessed Dublin A as location, points are based on 2nd (Valentia), 3rd (Shannon) and 4th (Mace Head or Belmullet but no guesses for these) for highest locations. Scores for temperatures in groups of three (Rikand added) with some distortion of the pattern caused by tied error amounts, as follows:

    7 pts _ waterways (15.9 +0.1), (Rikand 16.0 +0.2), Adam240610 (16.1 +0.3), Artane2002 (16.2 +0.4), appledrop (15.4 -0.4)

    6 pts _ Gonzo (16.5 +0.7) Eon1208 (15.1 -0.7)

    5 pts _ MrSkinner (16.6 +0.8) Pauldry (16.6 +0.8) Bsal (15.0 -0.8) (Con Sensus 16.6)

    4 pts _ JPmarn (16.8 +1.0), 200motels (16.8 +1.0) sunflower3 (16.9 +1.1) sryanbruen (16.9 +1.1)

    3 pts _ Kindred Spirit (14.5 -1.3) dacogawa (17.3 +1.5),

    2 pts _ DOCARCH (14.2 -1.6), mickger844posts (17.4 +1.6) (Normal 17.5) , dasa29 (14.0 -1.8)

    1 pt __ Tae laidir (17.8 +2.0), Western Storm (18.0 +2.2), MTC (18.2 +2.4) John mac (13.2 -2.6)

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    Congrats to Gonzo, appledrop and Pauldry for leading the way this month. These scores to be adjusted when I can obtain final monthly values. Will hold off on the annual update until then.



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    (actual forecasts)

    FORECASTER ___________ IMT _ MAX _ MIN _ PRC _ SUN ___ max min, loc'n


    WesternStorm __________ 16.0 _ 29.0 _ 6.0 _ 075 _ 115 ___ 18.0 Claremorris

    Tae laidir _______________15.9 _ 28.7 _ 3.8 _ 083 _ 096 ___ 17.8 Johnstown Castle

    M.T. Cranium ___________ 15.8 _ 27.8 _ 3.5 _ 105 _ 105 ___ 18.2 Phoenix Park

    adam240610 ___________ 15.8 _ 27.5 _ 3.0 _ 105 _ 090 ___ 16.1 Oak Park

    waterways _____________ 15.7 _ 27.3 _ 3.2 _ 111 _ 103 ___ 15.9 Oak Park

    Artane2002 ____________ 15.7 _ 27.2 _ 4.2 _ 110 _ 085 ___ 16.2 Shannon Airport

    MrSkinner _____________ 15.6 _ 28.0 _ 3.6 _ 095 _ 095 ___ 16.6 Phoenix

    Eon1208 _____ (-5) _____ 15.6 _ 26.5 _ 4.5 _ 108 _ 088 ___ 15.1 Oak Park

    Sunflower3 ____________ 15.5 _ 28.1 _ 5.0 _ 085 _ 110 ___ 16.9 Oak park

    Rikand _____ (late*) ____ 15.5 _ 28.0 _ 3.5 _ 090 _ 120 ___ 16.0 Mount Dillon

    john mac _______(-1) ___ 15.5 _ 26.8 _ 5.4 _ 105 _ 098 ___ 13.2 Newport

    Kindred Spirit ___ (-1) ___ 15.4 _ 29.8 _ 4.1 _ 080 _ 110 ___ 14.5 Valentia.



    NormaL _______________ 15.3 _ 27.5 _ 3.0 _ 100 _ 100 ___ 17.5 loc'n points by climatology


    Dacogawa _____________ 15.2 _ 28.8 _ 3.2 _ 140 _ 090 ___ 17.3 Oak park


    Con Sensus ____________ 15.2 _ 27.5 _ 3.9 _ 105 _ 095 ___ 16.6


    DOCARCH _____________ 15.2 _ 26.8 _ 4.2 _ 115 _ 095 ___ 14.2 Malin Head

    mickger844posts ________15.2 _ 26.4 _ 4.5 _ 100 _ 100 ___ 17.4 Oak Park

    Jpmarn _______________ 15.1 _ 26.5 _ 2.4 _ 110 _ 105 ___ 16.8 Oak Park

    Dasa29 _______________ 15.0 _ 27.5 _ 3.0 _ 120 _ 120 ___ 14.0 Mullingar

    Bsal __________________15.0 _ 26.5 _ 4.0 _ 110 _ 095 ___ 15.0 Casement

    sryanbruen ____________ 14.9 _ 26.3 _ 3.9 _ 105 _ 080 ___ 16.9 Shannon Airport

    200motels _____________14.8 _ 27.7 _ 3.9 _ 101 _ 082 ___ 16.8 Shannon Airport

    Appledrop _____________14.8 _ 27.5 _ 3.0 _ 130 _ 075 ___ 15.4 Mullingar

    Gonzo _______ (-2) _____14.8 _ 25.8 _ 3.2 _ 118 _ 078 ___ 16.5 Shannon

    Pauldry _______________ 14.7 _ 25.9 _ 4.0 _ 120 _ 095 ___ 16.6 Finner

    ___________________________________________


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,744 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Thanks for the update M.T.


    On one hand delighted I came 2nd but on other hand disappointed because that means that my prediction of a colder, wetter + duller July than normal came true!



    Here's hoping August breaks all normal records in a positive way!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Hoping to get updated info today and will tweak those scores, they are not necessarily carved in stone until I can check the information that is usually available a lot sooner than this month (still stuck at 27th July on the monthly data sheet, MS due out today).

    (MS = Monthly Summary in case you're not recognizing my initials)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    The scoring seems okay but will need to revisit PRC as that came in at 170%. SUN was about 83%. The IMT was 14.6 as I had estimated (from "values" part of MS), MAX and MIN actually 24.1 and 2.2 (my error from faulty recollection) but I think it makes no difference as minimum progression needed anyway.

    Will have a look at it later and probably tweak the scoring table posted earlier, then get to the annual updates.

    (edit _ have updated July scoring, on to annual update)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Updated Annual Scoring Summary January to July 2020


    The number in brackets after your rank (total score) is last month's rank. The number in brackets after your best 6/7 total (end of the row) is your rank in that statistic. This will be tracked in similar proportions to September when it changes to best 7/9 and begins to order the table, at which point total score will be tracked as the secondary value.


    rank _ FORECASTER ______ Jan _Feb _Mar _Apr _May _Jun _Jul __TOTAL___ Best 6/7 (rank)


    (03)_(03)___ Con Sensus ___ 70 _ 62 _ 59 _ 69 _ 57 _ 64 _ 58 __ 439 ____ 382 (t4)

    (03)_(03)__ NormaL _______ 70 _ 50 _ 73 _ 55 _ 52 _ 78 _ 59 __ 437 ____ 387 (3)


    t01_(01)_ Mrskinner _______ 86 _ 54 _ 72 _ 61 _ 60 _ 49 _ 49 __ 431 ____ 382 (4)

    t01_(04) _sryanbruen ______ 47 _ 58 _ 88 _ 71 _ 43 _ 54 _ 70 __ 431 ____ 388 (2)

    03_(11) _Pauldry __________ 63 _ 36 _ 58 _ 69 _ 46 _ 79 _ 77 __ 428 ____ 392 (1)

    04_(03)_Dacogawa _________73 _ 64 _ 53 _ 51 _ 62 _ 59 _ 63 __ 425 ____ 374 (7)

    05_(t13)_Jpmarn __________ 86 _ 51 _ 50 _ 61 _ 39 _ 62 _ 73 __ 422 ____ 383 (3)

    06_(t08) _Adam240610 _____62 _ 38 _ 58 _ 69 _ 47 _ 80 _ 64 __ 418 ____ 380 (5)

    t07_(02)_ Kindred Spirit_____ 61 _ 63 _ 71 _ 71 _ 60 _ 53 _ 37 __ 416 ____ 379 (6)

    t07_(07)_Artane2002 _______56 _ 63 _ 65 _ 69 _ 52 _ 50 _ 61 __ 416 ____ 366 (t9)

    t07_(t08)_DOCARCH _______ 58 _ 61 _ 62 _ 50 _ 54 _ 69 _ 62 __ 416 ____ 366 (t9)

    10_(05)_mickger844posts ___ 55 _ 63 _ 60 _ 48 _ 74 _ 59 _ 54 __ 413 ____ 365 (11)

    11_(t13)_M.T. Cranium _____ 69 _ 59 _ 60 _ 51 _ 35 _ 75 _ 46 __ 395 ____ 360 (12)

    12_(17)_Dasa29 ___________48 _ 70 _ 55 _ 38 _ 53 _ 63 _ 66 __ 393 ____ 355 (14)

    t13_(06)_Sunflower3 _______ 68 _ 60 _ 50 _ 57 _ 51 _ 71 _ 32 __ 389 ____ 357 (13)

    t13_(16)_Bsal _____________62 _ 54 _ 57 _ 52 _ 48 _ 49 _ 67 __ 389 ____ 341 (17)

    15_(15) _john mac _________64 _ 46 _ 52 _ 61 _ 59 _ 57 _ 41 __ 380 ____ 339 (18)

    16_(19) _200motels ________47 _ --- _ 75 _ 61 _ 60 _ 65 _ 60 __ 368 ____ 368 (08)

    17_(10)_Joe Public _________70 _ 65 _ 42 _ 39 _ 78 _ 59 _ --- __ 353 ____ 353 (15)

    18_(12)_Rikand ___________ 68 _ 38 _ 64 _ 73 _ 66 _ 41 _ --- __ 350 ____ 350 (16)

    19_(18) _Tae laidir _________67 _ 49 _ 48 _ 49 _ 53 _ 45 _ 37 __ 348 ____ 311 (20)

    20_(21) _waterways ________--- _ 54 _ 42 _ 44 _ 67 _ 42 _ 63 __ 312 ____ 312 (19)

    21_(20) _BLIZZARD7 _______66 _ 36 _ 47 _ 44 _ 53 _ 15 _ --- __ 261 ____ 261 (21)


    22_(27)_Appledrop ________ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ 47 _ 80 __127

    23_(22)_Tazio ____________ --- _ --- _ --- _ 68 _ --- _ 35 _ --- __103

    t24_(23)_Mr Stonewall ______--- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ 34 _ 50 _ --- __ 84

    t24_(---)_Gonzo ___________--- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ 84 __ 84

    26_(25)_WesternStorm _____ 54 _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ 20 __ 74

    27_(24)_JCXBXC __________ 58 _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- __ 58

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    26_(26)_esposito __________ 49 _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- _ --- ___ 49



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    (In checking last month's table, I found that ranks below 17 had not been properly sorted, so in the above, the value in brackets -- last month's standing -- is correct where the June table may have been incorrect in ranks shown).

    The annual contest has certainly tightened up with most of the leaders not adding much in July, and various others moving up to join the party. Although Con Sensus and Normal have moved ahead of all in total score, they may not be leading when we re-order the scoring table to best 7/9 after September's contest.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    For the record, now that monthly data has resumed normal service, using their data I get 14.5 for IMT and not 14.6, however, everyone predicted something higher than 14.6 anyway so adjusting the scores would just drop all scores by one. As the July scoring was not particularly high I will leave it status quo.


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