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Teaching boys to box

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    #32
    s7ryf3925pivug
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    Does children's boxing training involve blows to the head?


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    FTA69
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    Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »
    Does children's boxing training involve blows to the head?

    Depends. Ten year olds can be sparring yeah, that's how you learn.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    Depends. Ten year olds can be sparring yeah, that's how you learn.
    Proper punches? In some martial arts traing the sparring is all pulled punches - taps really.


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    Mean Laqueefa
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    Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »
    Proper punches? In some martial arts traing the sparring is all pulled punches - taps really.

    yeah but they are only kids, no weight behind anything, head protection and massive gloves, they cant do damage if they tried


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    FTA69
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    Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »
    Proper punches? In some martial arts traing the sparring is all pulled punches - taps really.

    Proper, controlled technical sparring is what's encouraged. As the poster above said too, at that young an age they can't do any real damage anyway. Sparring is done to inculcate the techniques they learn and prepare them for competition. It's not a case of 11 year olds knocking each other out with blood and guts trench warfare.


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    #37
    Pkiernan
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    My 5 year old has been learning Tae Kwando since his 4rh birthday.

    The discipline of the class and good parentli g will prevent him starting fights in school.


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    #38
    Yer Da sells Avon
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    If I ever have kids, I think I'd prefer that they were able to talk their way out of trouble and, if that fails, run really quickly.


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    s7ryf3925pivug
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    Mean Laqueefa wrote: »
    yeah but they are only kids, no weight behind anything, head protection and massive gloves, they cant do damage if they tried
    Thanks. Kids' boxing won't be for my kid so.

    I remember getting hard enough punches not that much older than 10, without training that I'm aware of. Not like a proper punch from an adult, but enough to give a black eye for example.

    I think I read the head protection does sfa to protect the brain - could even be worse than not using it.

    Probably sound preachy but I dont mean to. Dont view it as my business if other people get formal boxing training for their kids or not.


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    spurious
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    The really good amateur boxers don't get hit much.
    It's as much about avoiding being hit as smacking them out yourself.


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    Your Face
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    You're never to young to learn how to throw a punch.
    I'd also teach him basic self-defence and some of the dark arts.
    There's no way to stop him using his skills during play but if he's a decent young fella it probably won't happen.


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    Mean Laqueefa
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    Meadow Gifted Slothfulness wrote: »
    Thanks. Kids' boxing won't be for my kid so.

    I remember getting hard enough punches not that much older than 10, without training that I'm aware of. Not like a proper punch from an adult, but enough to give a black eye for example.

    I think I read the head protection does sfa to protect the brain - could even be worse than not using it.

    Probably sound preachy but I dont mean to. Dont view it as my business if other people get formal boxing training for their kids or not.

    its not preachy man alls good.

    Honest of you dont think its for your kid that your choice and massive respect. I would add though you may look at black eyes and being whalloped when young, but it does happen in every sport, many i time ive been bruised up in football or GAA, my sister used to have black eyes from netball all the time. Kids are tough and i think the lessons you learn about it outweigh it for me.

    I would be with Makkomi and get them into judo or any grabbling, there built for it anyway and always good to know how to land safely


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    FTA69
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    spurious wrote: »
    The really good amateur boxers don't get hit much.
    It's as much about avoiding being hit as smacking them out yourself.

    Not everyone is really good too I suppose. If you're competing and sparring you are going to get tagged from time to time. As Tyson Fury said, you can't go swimming without getting wet.


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    Mint Sauce
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    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    If I ever have kids, I think I'd prefer that they were able to talk their way out of trouble and, if that fails, run really quickly.

    And be able to give a slap back if they really have to.


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    Feisar
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    Your Face wrote: »
    You're never to young to learn how to throw a punch.
    I'd also teach him basic self-defence and some of the dark arts.
    There's no way to stop him using his skills during play but if he's a decent young fella it probably won't happen.

    Dark arts? Like the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique? Or a Ringsend Uppercut!

    Situational awareness is the best self defence going, that and a good shopping list.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #46
    Your Face
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Dark arts? Like the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique? Or a Ringsend Uppercut!

    Situational awareness is the best self defence going, that and a good shopping list.

    An example would be a kick in the balls, amongst other techniques.

    No point in preparing for a bout of Queensbury Rules after being blindsided by a scumbagerino.


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    thebaz
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

    no its not - boxing teaches discipline, self confidense and self defense , and much needed physical excercise - when so many negative past times are on offer to our young - computers/drugs /smoking/binge drinking - but no, molly coddle our children , keep thme couped up inside , playing chess.


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    Pug160
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    No age is good. Its barbaric, and even disguised as sport, has no part to play in civilised society.

    There's an argument to be made for that. But could you elaborate further? Where is the line drawn exactly? Many contact sports such as rugby can be every bit as brutal. I think most people are in agreement that a bit of grappling/wrestling is healthy for young kids. I reckon there might actually be two cases to be made here at both ends of the spectrum. One is the potential dangers of too much physical contact and the other is of the potential consequences of a complete lack of any contact at all.

    Of course genetics would surely play a role in this too: some kids will simply take to rough play more than others and might benefit from it more. It's also not a bad idea to be able to defend yourself on some level. Would you be ''barbaric'' if you had to be? Admittedly, most people can go through their entire lives without needing to defend themselves or use force. But is there a case to be made for some kind awareness to be instilled in people at least? The point I'm trying to get at here is that if no one was willing to use any force there would be no protection given to people in situations where security or police were not around to help. Not sure if you saw it or read about it but a Spanish man was recently awarded (posthumously) a bravery medal in England for his role in trying to help during one of the terror attacks. I noticed they said he was a skateboarder. It's not a combat sport and certainly not barbaric but it's very physical and requires a lot of bravery.


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    Feisar
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    Your Face wrote: »
    An example would be a kick in the balls, amongst other techniques.

    No point in preparing for a bout of Queensbury Rules after being blindsided by a scumbagerino.

    kick in the balls = Ringsend Uppercut.

    Blindsided, see my point on situational awareness.

    After that it's the three F's.

    First
    Fast
    Furiuos

    After that get a solicitor and try justify yer actions.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    Feisar
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    By the by if I ever decide to go down the gangster route I'm investing in a groin guard, everyone thinks a kick in the balls is some sort of great leveller.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #51
    Your Face
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    Feisar wrote: »
    kick in the balls = Ringsend Uppercut.

    Blindsided, see my point on situational awareness.

    After that it's the three F's.

    First
    Fast
    Furiuos

    After that get a solicitor and try justify yer actions.

    Furiuos - that's what wins fights.


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    Esel
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    Your Face wrote: »
    Furiuos - that's what wins fights.

    Shaddup, yuo.

    Not your ornery onager



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    #53
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Feisar wrote: »
    By the by if I ever decide to go down the gangster route I'm investing in a groin guard, everyone thinks a kick in the balls is some sort of great leveller.

    The gun is the great leveller in that world.

    Doesn't matter how jacked up and buff a fella is. Nobody wins against the gun.


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    cnocbui
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    What is a good age to teach boys to box and very importantly having taught him to throw a punch how do I stop him from doing it in ordinary rough and tumble play.

    Whatever age you think is good to start on them a path to permanent brain damage.


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    Chancer3001
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    In theory a fantastic sport for discipline self defence fitness and confidence.

    In reality it's over run with Irish ethnic minorities


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    #56
    Pug160
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    Some people here will know how some boxing clubs work and will be better qualified than myself to comment, but I would have thought that actual sparring is something that only happens after a fair bit of training anyway. Perhaps anywhere from 6 months - one year. Maybe it's different with kids though - I'm not sure. There surely wouldn't be a rule forcing anyone into it anyway. There seems to be a lot of people of all ages just doing drills for fitness and hand to eye co-ordination now. Actual sparring is primarily done to prepare someone for a fight.


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    twowheelsonly
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    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    In theory a fantastic sport for discipline self defence fitness and confidence.

    In reality it's over run with Irish ethnic minorities

    Not true at all...it depends on which club and where it's situated. A number of clubs won't take them at all.
    It's true that they are attracted to it, and there's quite a few of them at it, but that's all part of the whole macho attitude that is ingrained into them.
    Some of the traveller children are great kids and are very respectful and obliging. It's when they get older that they're expected to partake in the traveller 'way of life', mostly due to peer pressure.


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    #58
    marieholmfan
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    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    In theory a fantastic sport for discipline self defence fitness and confidence.

    In reality it's over run with Irish ethnic minorities

    Not true at all...it depends on which club and where it's situated. A number of clubs won't take them at all.
    It's true that they are attracted to it, and there's quite a few of them at it, but that's all part of the whole macho attitude that is ingrained into them.
    Some of the traveller children are great kids and are very respectful and obliging. It's when they get older that they're expected to partake in the traveller 'way of life', mostly due to peer pressure.
    my own experience of traveller boxers (in the same club ) -is complately positive, boxing is not overrun with travellers, boxing is helped by travellers.


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    #59
    FTA69
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    Literally every club in Ireland or England that I've boxed at had Travellers in it and they were nearly all sound as a pound - certainly no worse than any other demographic anyway. It's a shame people are trying to crowbar their prejudice into a sport they clearly know nothing about or don't participate in.


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