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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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  • #1982
    pinkypinky
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    Agree - cook.

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  • #1983
    shar01
    Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭shar01


    Apologies - I'm not very technically minded.

    I'm trying to decipher the location in this record. It looks like Murtin but maybe it's latin?

    Screenshot 2019-05-18 at 10.03.18 AM.png

    Screenshot 2019-05-18 at 10.03.00 AM.png

    Thanks in advance.


  • #1984
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    shar01 wrote: »
    Apologies - I'm not very technically minded.

    Not at all - they're good detailed screen grabs.

    I can't do any better than Murtin myself but here's a link to the same image on irishgenealogy.ie which is a little clearer.

    Do you have any background info that might help us?

    480588.png

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  • #1985
    pinkypinky
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    Thanks for adding the link Hermy.

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  • #1986
    shar01
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    Cheers Hermy.

    I'm helping out a chap who contacted me yesterday - our Trees overlap.

    The father of the child is likely to be Francis Tothill, husband of Mary Anne Delahunt's aunt, Annie (the witness).

    I'll mess around this afternoon to see if I can dig anything else up.

    Would the gap of almost a month between birth and baptism be unusual?


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  • #1987
    spurious
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    shar01 wrote: »
    Cheers Hermy.

    I'm helping out a chap who contacted me yesterday - our Trees overlap.

    The father of the child is likely to be Francis Tothill, husband of Mary Anne Delahunt's aunt, Annie (the witness).

    I'll mess around this afternoon to see if I can dig anything else up.

    Would the gap of almost a month between birth and baptism be unusual?

    Not for Protestants, if they were. Is there a civil cert for the birth?


  • #1988
    shar01
    Registered Users Posts: 817 ✭✭✭shar01


    Haven't managed to find it yet. I've tried Delahunt as birth surname.

    Complete supposition on my part but some of the Delahunts and Millers came Wicklow and I was thinking Murtin... The Murrough?

    This is Annie Miller and her husband, Francis:
    http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/North_Dock/Marlborough_Street/30617/

    Here's John Miller (entry 440):
    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02097/1799187.pdf


  • #1989
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    I need help deciphering the addresses from very poor handwriting on a Westport marriage. Initially I thought it the first letter was a 'B' but it doesn't match the B in Batchelor. Now I think it begins Innis-something.

    To back that up, at the top of the page the district is surely Aghaghower parish, district of Islandeady, Union of Wesport. That's the strangest 'I' I ever saw in Islandeady - it looks like a G!

    It's the marriage first entry ; John Quinn & Mary Moran. Addresses unknown. Edit : additional info - The wife died before the census, the kids are born in Innishnakillew (Kilmeena parish) where the family still resides in 1901 & 1911. However that does not appear to be either address above.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10863/5966356.pdf

    Any help is appreciated, thanks.


  • #1990
    spurious
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    Rootsireland have it transcribed as Inniscoolagh and Letterean.

    Edit**
    actually, looking at Inishnakillew on logainm.ie does throw up a couple of possibilities that could have been written as Inniscoolagh, so it might well be supposed to be Inishnakillew.


  • #1991
    Paramite Pie
    Registered Users Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭Paramite Pie


    Thanks very much Spurious - I don't have a Roots Ireland subscription, I thought they just transcribed parish registers. I never considered them for GRO records.

    Logainm was very useful since it showed the Irish is name Inis na Coilleadh - which could just as easily be anglicised as Inis Coolagh. A different address before marriage might be a potential clue but I'm satisfied now he remained stationary.

    As for Letterean - I was miles off. I was seeing a non-existant Seltenen!:pac:

    The parish record gave no addresses at all so I'm very grateful. Thanks again.


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  • #1992
    oceanclub
    Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    Hi all,

    Would appreciate any extra info that could be gleaned from this army pay book - you can view in full by clicking through, then clicking Load in Full Resolution)

    TUMMON-Michael-Army-Record-Book.jpg

    It looks like (my comments in square brackets):

    [faint scribble] FD 1869 [is this a year - what might "FD" mean?] Louisa [wife] [something illegble] "66th Regiment"
    1872- [not sure does this mean their birthdate?] Children Mary-Ann/Elizabeth
    Father [faint scribble - could be press-thru from another document]
    Mother [two year dates on left and more scribbles] Ann - Croomlagh - Cavan [presumably her latest residence or place of birth]
    Brothers and Sisters [text struck through so not sure if accidental - looks like was about to write daughter Elizabeth down again]

    If anything thinks that in particular the scribbles in the 3d panel mean anything please let me know,

    P.


  • #1993
    Jellybaby1
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    #oceanclub probably this won't be much help but could it be 'High. i.e. Highlanders 66th Regiment? The sister looks like Eliza. That's all I can get from it.


  • #1994
    Nigel Fairservice
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    Hi all, just wondering if anyone can decipher the date on this?

    Also, would the names Ellie and Ellen have been considered interchangeable in the early 1900s? I'm trying to decide if two certs I have and a census record are for the same person.


  • #1995
    spurious
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    January tenth? Would need the full page to be more sure.

    Ellie/Ellen could easily be the same person. Maybe also Nell, Helen, Eleanor etc.. However, ideally look for something else too - a location, surname of witness etc..


  • #1996
    pinkypinky
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    Please post the full page link.

    It's *literally* written in the thread title.

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  • #1997
    Nigel Fairservice
    Registered Users, Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Please post the full page link.

    It's *literally* written in the thread title.

    Apologies, perhaps edit thread title to 'full page of document' for clarity.

    Item 469.


  • #1998
    spurious
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    Yes, I'd be fairly sure it's January tenth.


  • #1999
    Nigel Fairservice
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    spurious wrote: »
    January tenth? Would need the full page to be more sure.

    Ellie/Ellen could easily be the same person. Maybe also Nell, Helen, Eleanor etc.. However, ideally look for something else too - a location, surname of witness etc..

    The date would be in line with my thoughts. I'm trying to match the person to a 1901 census return. As they died in early 1955, their year of birth, I imagine, would have been 1887. The person was 14 in 1901. This would tie in with the census document I have.

    I'm trying to trace my great great grandparents through my great great aunt. I'm not having much luck through my own great grandparents. They had very common names which is leading to loads of results. The linked document is my great grandmother.....I think...it's my best guess.

    I'm trying to tie my great great aunt (through her marriage cert) to my great grandmother and great great grandparents through the census as I have more concrete information about her. She is Ellen on her marriage cert but down as Ellie on the census, hence my asking about the name.


  • #2000
    Hermy
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    Nigel Fairservice wrote: »
    Apologies, perhaps edit thread title to 'full page of document' for clarity.

    Item 469.

    It's already been edited to that effect.

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  • #2001
    Nigel Fairservice
    Registered Users, Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 2,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭Nigel Fairservice


    Hermy wrote: »
    It's already been edited to that effect.

    Again, I apologise. When I see the words link and page in the same sentence I think of a link to a website/web page. A bit thick of me, I hold my hands up.


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  • #2002
    pinkypinky
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    Please keep discussion to just deciphering the words.

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  • #2003
    VicWynne
    Registered Users Posts: 71 ✭✭VicWynne


    Hi folks, Yet again I seek your wisdom....
    The entry at the bottom of the page is for the marriage of James Barton and Mary McNamara.... I'm having difficulty making out what it says... The details for James are ok, but for Mary... does it say "maiden"??? It's not spinster (as I'd expect) or widow.... I can't make out her 'rank or profession' or her 'place of residence'. All help gratefully received.
    Many thanks.



    In case it doesn't link the link - here's another attempt:
    civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11569/8256311.pdf


  • #2004
    Hermy
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    You're missing some of the link Vic.

    EDIT: Here we go... LINK

    I think it says spinster and I'd gather this is her first marriage.
    Not sure about the place of residence for her - something ending ough.

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  • #2005
    pinkypinky
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    Condition: maiden
    Profession: looks like it begin shur
    Address: not familiar with the geography of that area but begins with M and ends ough. Could it be Molougha?

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  • #2006
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    I think condition is maiden; rank /profession is spinster; and residence looks like Mianough.


  • #2007
    Barney224
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Barney224


    I was looking for confirmation on the Father's name (John???) and Father's Occupations on the 2nd entry of this marriage cert. It's the marriage between Michael Kane and Eliza Doyle.


  • #2008
    VirginiaB
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    Looks like John to me for the father. The father's occupation could be Corn Porter. I'm comparing the P in Porter with the P in Patrick on the witness's name.


  • #2009
    Jellybaby1
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    Barney224 wrote: »
    I was looking for confirmation on the Father's name (John???) and Father's Occupations on the 2nd entry of this marriage cert. It's the marriage between Michael Kane and Eliza Doyle.

    I'd say John Kane was a Corn Porter too, and Robert Doyle was a Drayman (worked with dray horses)


  • #2010
    Barney224
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Barney224


    Jellybaby1 wrote: »
    I'd say John Kane was a Corn Porter too, and Robert Doyle was a Drayman (worked with dray horses)

    That's brilliant, thanks JellyBaby and VirginiaB. I never heard of a Corn Porter before, so that's very interesting.


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  • #2011
    Barney224
    Registered Users Posts: 347 ✭✭Barney224


    Sorry, one last query. Do you reckon the address for Robert Doyle is "North Earl Street"?

    Thanks


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