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    #2432
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    tabbey wrote: »
    And two centuries old, puts other scribes to shame.
    Of course it may be a later transcript.


    Yes - it says on P1 that it's a transcription of the original register:

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634056#page/2/mode/1up


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    #2433
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Hello

    What do you think of the groom's mother's surname on the John Lynch Mary Conroy marriage towards the bottom of this page please?
    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634416#page/9/mode/1up

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    #2434
    VirginiaB
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    It looks like Scythes, for what it's worth. There is a reference to the name in Scotland, with some going to Ireland. Found on Google and not the most reliable source.


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    #2435
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    I got as far as s-e-y-t-h... before seeing Virginia's comment - good call.

    Searching the NLI transcripts at Find My Past there are a couple births and marriages of Scythes in that parish.

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    #2436
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Some help pls with sponsors on the last entry, left hand page from FMP. 27 Sept 1818

    John Madden, Catherine ?? Gubbin, Niece? Mrs. Kirby. What is the word following Catherine's name? I assume niece to the father. Many thx.

    https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE%2FPRS%2FMICROFILM02428-01%2F0029&parentid=IRE%2FPRS%2FBAP%2F6257472


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    #2437
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    montgo wrote: »
    Some help pls with sponsors on the last entry, left hand page from FMP. 27 Sept 1818

    John Madden, Catherine ?? Gubbin, Niece? Mrs. Kirby. What is the word following Catherine's name? I assume niece to the father. Many thx.
    They haven't specified a relationship in any of the other records, so I would wonder if it says 'niece'.
    There is also that strange scribble surrounding the name, I wonder what that meant?
    What is the Latin phrase following the parents' names? can you read it?


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    #2438
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Tkx Spurious, any idea what could it be if not niece?
    Since the priest used Latin, unfortunately, I do not know what the other words mean. And there are some additional words at the bottom of the page which may/may not be relevant.


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    #2439
    Mick Tator
    Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    This is my take -

    Marg.a ex Gulielmo Gubbins & Marg.a Maddin. Patrini sunt Johannes Maddin Catherina Gubbin.

    Margaret of William Gubbins & Margaret Maddin. Godparents are John Maddin Catherine Gubbin.

    I think the the two ‘stacked’ words in the margin are a note – the top one is Sua (her), cannot make out the one underneath it. (Logically it should be 'amita' - aunt.)* The Latin words in the brackets are unclear – the first looks like ‘Nunc’ (now) [xxxx] Presby (? presbiter =priest) and the last two words below the loops look like a name – Jno. McGinnis.
    I wonder was it the final ceremony of a priest before leaving the parish or of a clerk who was the writer of the entries?

    *edit - I wonder is it Xtina, abbreviation of amitina, cousin (female)?


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    #2440
    montgo
    Registered Users Posts: 565 ✭✭✭montgo


    Many thanks Mick for your input.
    According to a 1818 marriage deed, Catherine married J. Kirby. I haven't found the marriage record and that is why I though the word was Kirby not Presby.


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    #2441
    stutoken
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭stutoken


    Hi,

    Looking some help with the place of birth for No. 254

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02430/1905086.pdf

    Thanks


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    #2442
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Ballymadrough

    https://www.townlands.ie/dublin/nethercross/swords/swords/ballymadrough/


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    #2443
    A New earth
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭A New earth


    Yes, it's halfway between Swords and Donabate. The family moved around a good bit being in Dunbro, Finglas in the 1901 census and Turnapin Little, Drumcondra Rural in the 1911 census


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    #2444
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Stuck on an address here.
    The Kelly Births.
    Mary ( entry 43) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03076/2127723.pdf
    James (entry 13) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02926/2072457.pdf


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    #2445
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Town Road?
    Tuam Road?


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    #2446
    Mick Tator
    Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    spurious wrote: »
    Stuck on an address here.
    The Kelly Births.
    Toorkeel - it's a townland

    Edit - FWIW there is a good members only group on Facebook for the various Kelly branches. They include a DNA comparison tool. (Every bit of help is needed researching Kelly's in the west of Ireland!)


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    #2447
    stutoken
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭stutoken


    Looking help with the latin note attached to entry 853 - bridget of hugh mcdonnell -

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633333#page/34/mode/1up

    put a few words in to google translate and looks like it could be something to do with mother gave birth before marriage.

    Can anyone confirm?

    Thanks


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    #2448
    VirginiaB
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭VirginiaB


    From Google Translate--

    mother bore a daughter (as above) a few days after the marriage was entered into - was conditionally baptised

    As an aside, I suspect some of these Latin notes were made to protect the parties involved from prying eyes.


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    #2449
    Mick Tator
    Registered Users Posts: 654 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    stutoken wrote: »
    Looking help with the latin note attached to entry 853 - bridget of hugh mcdonnell -

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633333#page/34/mode/1up

    put a few words in to google translate and looks like it could be something to do with mother gave birth before marriage.

    Can anyone confirm?

    Thanks
    Virginia B's translation is correct. However the 'conditional baptism' has nothing to do with the marriage. In the RC Church a baptism can be performed only once, and if there is a doubt that a person (not necessarily a child) had been baptised previously the baptism would be performed 'conditionally' i. e. "In the event that you have not been baptised I now baptise you....etc" In this case there was doubt that the child might have been baptised - - I'd hazard a guess that it was a difficult birth and that the midwife performed a baptism ceremony. That did happen if there was a possibility of the newborn not surviving and there was a fear of the infant ending up in 'Limbo'. There were few prying eyes inspecting the Registers, they inevitably were unseen and prior to being put on-line (much against the wishes of many PPs) it was a nightmare to get to see them, as the oldies here can testify!


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    #2450
    stutoken
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭stutoken


    Thanks for your help.
    I've found a few more records since posting earlier and the translation ties in with the records. Marriage was 5 days before the birth


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    #2451
    stutoken
    Registered Users Posts: 21 ✭stutoken


    Hi, looking help again.

    I'm looking at entry 176 on marriage cert below. Struggling with residence of Hugh McDonald's parents . Somewhere in Meath.

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633331#page/20/mode/1up

    Thanks.


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    #2452
    tabbey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    stutoken wrote: »
    Hi, looking help again.

    I'm looking at entry 176 on marriage cert below. Struggling with residence of Hugh McDonald's parents . Somewhere in Meath.

    https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633331#page/20/mode/1up

    Thanks.

    Nobber?


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    #2453
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    tabbey wrote: »
    Nobber?

    Yes, looks like Nober with one B.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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    #2454
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Stuck on the cause of death for John Collins (entry 384). Have not ever come across anything similar.

    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05638/4586476.pdf

    Albumarea?
    Any suggestions welcome.


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    #2455
    tabbey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    Albuminuria is the presence of albumin in the urine It indicates kidney failure.


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    #2456
    timaru89
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭timaru89


    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020746/7278446.pdf

    Any ideas on the place of death for the first person on this sheet, Timothy Kane. Thanks


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    #2457
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,108 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Cullenwain(e). It's near Moneygall.


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    #2458
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    timaru89 wrote: »
    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1872/020746/7278446.pdf

    Any ideas on the place of death for the first person on this sheet, Timothy Kane. Thanks


    Cullenwaine




    https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/cullenwaine/


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    #2459
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    Hi, i have a link to file below the file was too big to upload in full size. Margaret Brophy was born in 1851 but found her baptism in 1878, would that have been anything to do with getting married and needing a baptism record? Also can anyone make out the note in the last column. Thanks



    Ancestry file


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    #2460
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Baptisms, and particularly "conditional baptisms" - special wording along the lines of 'if you are not already baptised, I baptise you' - before marriage are not uncommon. Lost paperwork can cause the conditional one frequently.


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    #2461
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,302 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Here's a link to the record as it appears on the NLI site...

    https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000633736#page/139/mode/1up

    Often adult marriages were because of a change of faith - was it a mixed marriage?

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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