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Things that trigger the right?

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  • #92
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,066 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Being called out for using groups they care nothing for as sticks to beat people they despise.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • #93
    rustynutz
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭rustynutz


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I'm generally highly suspicious of what "sensible people" agree with, as what is considered "sensible" can be as variable as the wind.

    I also don't see how property taxes are the best kind of tax. They're more out of the control of the individual. If someone wants to pay less income tax they can choose to earn less income. If someone wants to pay less VAT they can choose to buy fewer things that attract VAT. If someone wants to pay less road tax they can choose to buy a car that attracts less road tax. And so forth. Housing and I'm speaking of primary homes, not extra properties(I'd tax them alright), is different in a few ways. It's far more permanent, often for a lifetime. Property tax based on value has issues. Someone buys a house in an area that was cheap that then becomes gentrified twenty years on and values soar. Or property becomes an investment bubble. That is out of the control of the homeowner. Oh sure they could "downsize" but it's not like swapping out a 3 litre Merc for a Prius. Never mind that large chunk of tax they've already paid on their decades long mortgage.


    I'd agree with this, it always baffled me why there was such an uproar over water charges (which is a service, which costs money to provide) but property tax was introduced with little resistance


  • #94
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,174 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Violet-Anne Wynne. Behold the Enemy.


  • #95
    Bigbagofcans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Bigbagofcans


    People being open-minded, open door policy, anything open really.


  • #96
    elli21
    Closed Accounts Posts: 192 ✭✭elli21


    Human rights


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  • #97
    Strumms
    Registered Users Posts: 24,781 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Geuze wrote: »
    Most sensible people agree with property taxes, as they are the best type of tax.

    You save up for years to be able to afford property, you have a big fûck off mortgage, it’s costs big cash to furnish, run and maintain, then you have the government wanting to tax you on top of all this because you just happen to own something ? Why ? Because after a long time of working hard, saving, going without to enable you to own your own place, a roof over your head the security and comfort of it the government decide... “hey, you know what, we want more so we will hit you in the pocket for simply daring to sacrifice, save and struggle to have something to call your own, a roof over your head and security for yourself and your loved ones, yep, we will tax it..:rolleyes::confused:


  • #98
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,951 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Originality in humour.

    Look at rightwing jokes - 99% of the time they appear be limited to repeating 'did you assume my gender???' / 'I identify as an attack helicopter!' to each other amid howls of laughter.

    Absolutely baffling.


  • #99
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Strumms wrote: »
    You save up for years to be able to afford property, you have a big fûck off mortgage, it’s costs big cash to furnish, run and maintain, then you have the government wanting to tax you on top of all this because you just happen to own something ? Why ? Because after a long time of working hard, saving, going without to enable you to own your own place, a roof over your head the security and comfort of it the government decide... “hey, you know what, we want more so we will hit you in the pocket for simply daring to sacrifice, save and struggle to have something to call your own, a roof over your head and security for yourself and your loved ones, yep, we will tax it..:rolleyes::confused:

    Another problem with property tax, especially if it's for your main residence, is that it is totally independent of income. You might own/be living in a property that has appreciated greatly while you've been there but your income, earned in a completely different context, may not have done. So it is
    in effect, taxing some people out of their homes. Which is very unfair.

    Perhaps the reason there was less uproar about it than water charges is because fewer people own their own homes than rent. And given that one golden rule that unites bot the left and right is that "Taxes are for OTHER people", those who don't own property are perfectly fine with those that do
    paying a wodge of tax on it.

    Short sighted of course because property taxes on rental properties will only get passed on to the renters in the long run. :)


  • #100
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Snickers Man wrote: »
    George Soros.

    (Is he even a real person? Or just a political "Big Foot"?)
    Oh my god exactly what I was gonna say. I suspect many don't have a clue who he is. The plot being lost over him always reminds me of: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Goldstein


  • #101
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    Veganism. The way they act as if they have to adopt the diet and are oppressed by the brutal vegans.

    Saw a video recently of a guy eating KFC right next to a vegan demonstration. The guy was being exalted on social media as if he was a hero. Wtf? He was eating food in a public area. :confused:


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  • #102
    05eaftqbrs9jlh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,104 ✭✭✭05eaftqbrs9jlh


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGAAhzreGWw


  • #103
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 18,895 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    rustynutz wrote: »
    I'd agree with this, it always baffled me why there was such an uproar over water charges (which is a service, which costs money to provide) but property tax was introduced with little resistance

    The water charges debacle was more to do with Irish Water and privatisation of the service. People don't want a private, for profit, quango with their fingers on their taps.

    As for the LPT, there was resistance. But once revenue got involved, there really wasn't that much that people could do about it.


  • #104
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Mary Lou calling FF and FG an old boys club as a reason for not wanting to go into power with SF will get them going.


  • #105
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    elli21 wrote: »
    Human rights

    And the daddy of them all.

    The ECHR. :pac:


  • #106
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    elli21 wrote: »
    Human rights

    Using commercial and political blackmail to force companies, politicians and the public not to criticise or even question some minority groups own agenda.


  • #107
    nkl12xtw5goz70
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭nkl12xtw5goz70


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Mary Lou calling FF and FG an old boys club as a reason for not wanting to go into power with SF will get them going.

    Mary Lou is ten years older than Varadkar. So who is she calling "old"?


  • #108
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Nova Dead Trolley wrote: »
    Mary Lou is ten years older than Varadkar. So who is she calling "old"?

    She was referring to the parties.

    I would've thought that was obvious.


  • #109
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭[Deleted User]


    When they're being forced to become immigrant black disabled transgendered lesbian muslim single mothers on benefits.

    And also when it's pointed out to them that it's not compulsory.


  • #110
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    "White genocide".


  • #111
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    The mere suggestion of climate change.

    Women over 35 who don't have children.

    (In the case of the Israel fans on the right): criticism of the Israeli government and military. Saying that's anti semitism is like saying criticism of today's feminism is misogyny.


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  • #112
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    gerrybbadd wrote: »
    Pride events.
    What about straight pride?!

    Black Music Awards - what about white music awards?


  • #113
    Woke Hogan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭Woke Hogan


    biko wrote: »
    Things that trigger the right?
    Antifa beating the living daylights out of people.
    Fascists aren't people.


  • #114
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    Raconteuse wrote: »
    Women over 35 who don't have children.

    I don't think you've quite got the hang of "right wing" there....

    If anything I'd say the leftie unemployed "give me everything for free" types are more likely to be breeders.


  • #115
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    This whole left/right thing is getting stale.

    I understand it in politics but when everyday people brand themselves either one, I just think they're boxing themselves no?

    Are we not more complex than left or right?


  • #116
    Better Than Christ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Better Than Christ


    The very notion that there might be a difference between their opinions and actual facts.


  • #117
    Arghus
    Registered Users Posts: 14,320 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Nuance.


  • #118
    Das Reich
    Registered Users Posts: 736 ✭✭✭Das Reich


    Americanism on all its forms.


  • #119
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    This whole left/right thing is getting stale.

    It's a bit like the Celtic/Rangers thing - it becomes a kind of tribal your-side-v-my-side thing. I daresay if you sat down a person who self-identifies as 'right wing' and put a questionnaire to them they be surprised to find out they're not really right wing at all.

    Propagandists are very good at inducing fear/anger in our 'lizard brain'. The Muslims/Jews are plotting against you, the immigrants are taking your women/jobs, the women are cheating on you, the elves are stealing your socks and so on.


  • #120
    Raconteuse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,817 ✭✭✭Raconteuse


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    I don't think you've quite got the hang of "right wing" there....
    Because of one thing I wrote on this? What about the rest?
    If anything I'd say the leftie unemployed "give me everything for free" types are more likely to be breeders.
    Vast gulf between childless over 35 and being a "give me everything for free" type (not sure they're always lefties either).

    "Right-wing" is a broad term. I'm assuming the OP means the "alt right" types as their voices are pretty prominent on the internet.

    And it has become popular among them to slate women who don't have children/don't have them by a certain age.


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  • #121
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,047 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Wibbs wrote: »
    I'm generally highly suspicious of what "sensible people" agree with, as what is considered "sensible" can be as variable as the wind.

    I also don't see how property taxes are the best kind of tax. They're more out of the control of the individual. If someone wants to pay less income tax they can choose to earn less income. If someone wants to pay less VAT they can choose to buy fewer things that attract VAT. If someone wants to pay less road tax they can choose to buy a car that attracts less road tax. And so forth. Housing and I'm speaking of primary homes, not extra properties(I'd tax them alright), is different in a few ways. It's far more permanent, often for a lifetime. Property tax based on value has issues. Someone buys a house in an area that was cheap that then becomes gentrified twenty years on and values soar. Or property becomes an investment bubble. That is out of the control of the homeowner. Oh sure they could "downsize" but it's not like swapping out a 3 litre Merc for a Prius. Never mind that large chunk of tax they've already paid on their decades long mortgage.


    The vast majority of economists (who often disagree) agree that property taxes have advantages over other taxes.

    This is a settled issue.

    That is why so many countries have property taxes - they are better than other taxes.

    I refer you to Mirrlees:

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/uploads/mirrleesreview/design/ch16.pdf


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