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Canvassing against FF.

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  • 03-02-2011 11:22pm
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    ilovesleep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭


    I want to get out in my area and canvass against FF. Would this be ok I wonder. I dont have any connections to any political parties or independants.

    If ok, FF has done so much damage. What kind of info could I provide on an a5 sized page. Seems as if I would need a library on my back to do so.


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    eoinoleary
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28 ✭eoinoleary


    woudnt know about the legal side of things but id imagine they couldnt do much to stop you isnt this ment to be a democracy after all???i think ''witholding their democratic right of a by election from the people of donegal'' would be a nice start on your leaflet...really pissed me off...and im from munster like


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    Chucky the tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    I think it's a waste of time really. People who are still willing to vote FF after everything they have done won't be convinced otherwise by some anti-FFer knocking on there door.


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    loldog
    Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭loldog


    I'm sure you have every right to do that, nobody could stop you.

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    PeterIanStaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭PeterIanStaker


    It's a democracy we live in, and people can put there opinion out there should they feel the need. It would be different alright from a householder's point of view to see just one person standing at the door without all the party paraphernelia.


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    yoshytoshy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,305 ✭✭✭yoshytoshy


    It's a bit pointless doing it ,if thats all labour and the leftovers alliance are doing.


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    There's no law against it and you are perfectly entitled to do it but you run the risk of looking like a crank by doing so.


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    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I want to get out in my area and canvass against FF. Would this be ok I wonder. I dont have any connections to any political parties or independants.

    If ok, FF has done so much damage. What kind of info could I provide on an a5 sized page. Seems as if I would need a library on my back to do so.

    Do what I'm going to do and wait until the FF canvassers arrive, and then follow them to every house so that you're arriving right behind them and their lies and spin don't get a chance to sink in.

    That said, I do think it's a waste, as the only people who would entertain FF at this stage are the die-hards; you could well be preaching to the 86% converted.


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Do what I'm going to do and wait until the FF canvassers arrive, and then follow them to every house so that you're arriving right behind them and their lies and spin don't get a chance to sink in.

    That said, I do think it's a waste, as the only people who would entertain FF at this stage are the die-hards; you could well be preaching to the 86% converted.

    So they don't have a democratic right to canvass without being harassed?


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    Jim236
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭Jim236


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    So they don't have a democratic right to canvass without being harassed?

    Rights? They should be locked up for economic treason. Nevermind rights.


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    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    So they don't have a democratic right to canvass without being harassed?

    Who's harassing them ? I'm simply approaching the householder 2 mins later to state my case.

    If they're allowed to do that, then so am I.


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Jim236 wrote: »
    Rights? They should be locked up for economic treason. Nevermind rights.

    I'm of the opinion that the economic crisis should be looked on logically while weighing up the facts. Its true the government made mistakes and deserve a term in opposition. Fourteen years is too long in power anyway. But economic treason, please, that sounds like a tabloid headline. I didn't hear Enda Kenny standing up in between 2002 and 2007 demanding the banks be more closely regulated or warning of a property boom.


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Who's harassing them ? I'm simply approaching the householder 2 mins later to state my case.

    If they're allowed to do that, then so am I.


    They're not following you, you're following them. Therefore you are not comparing like with like. And it is harassment if you are following them around. Plus you must doubt the validity of your arguments if you feel people may vote FF without you arriving 2 mins later to persuade them otherwise.


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    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    You can do it OP, nobody stopping you from knocking on doors

    But get that list together and be coherent, no point ranting on different topics on somebody's doorstep. I'm not saying you ever meant to do this.

    Have your lists and examples ready.

    You are going to be asked who you represent so and when you say nobody but I'm against some local candidates, you'll be getting a followup question

    Just think of your answers to the questions. Most people will ask the same few questions, fairly predictable


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    zoeczk
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭zoeczk


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I want to get out in my area and canvass against FF. Would this be ok I wonder. I dont have any connections to any political parties or independants.

    If ok, FF has done so much damage. What kind of info could I provide on an a5 sized page. Seems as if I would need a library on my back to do so.


    how about a slice of cheese!! that was their solution http://www.mrlukeabbott.com/page/3/


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    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I want to get out in my area and canvass against FF. Would this be ok I wonder. I dont have any connections to any political parties or independants.

    If ok, FF has done so much damage. What kind of info could I provide on an a5 sized page. Seems as if I would need a library on my back to do so.

    Your a good man, I love this idea, Still no FF canvassers on the terrace, Im sure they remember what happened here during the Local Elections..


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    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    I didn't hear Enda Kenny standing up in between 2002 and 2007 demanding the banks be more closely regulated or warning of a property boom.
    I don't think anyone other than the Fianna Failure inner circle was aware that the banks were essentially unregulated and creating a huge debt time-bomb. It was FF's job to appoint and monitor the regulator. They appointed a clown and let him do nothing. I don't think anyone outside FFailure can be blamed for that colossal failure.


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    feelingstressed wrote: »
    You can do it OP, nobody stopping you from knocking on doors

    But get that list together and be coherent, no point ranting on different topics on somebody's doorstep. I'm not saying you ever meant to do this.

    Have your lists and examples ready.

    You are going to be asked who you represent so and when you say nobody but I'm against some local candidates, you'll be getting a followup question

    Just think of your answers to the questions. Most people will ask the same few questions, fairly predictable

    Its a very negative attitude to go out door to door to say I represent nobody but I'm against some local candidates. Why don't you pick the candidate that you want to see get a seat and go out and canvass for them. Turn your energy into something positive. If you go out and ask people not to vote Fianna Fail but offer no alternative, people may well believe there is no alternative.


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    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    Its a very negative attitude to go out door to door to say I represent nobody but I'm against some local candidates. Why don't you pick the candidate that you want to see get a seat and go out and canvass for them. Turn your energy into something positive. If you go out and ask people not to vote Fianna Fail but offer no alternative, people may well believe there is no alternative.

    I'd agree, negative tactics just turn me off. And others too I suppose

    I would be more impressed OP if you showed up on my doorstep and were enthusiastic about a candidate you believed in. If you don't believe in your candidate then you're not going to represent them well
    Or it's too late now but if you ran yourself

    Tell me what you believe in, not what you oppose :)


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I don't think anyone other than the Fianna Failure inner circle was aware that the banks were essentially unregulated and creating a huge debt time-bomb. It was FF's job to appoint and monitor the regulator. They appointed a clown and let him do nothing. I don't think anyone outside FFailure can be blamed for that colossal failure.

    I don't think that any members of the government knew much more than anyone else. The majority of the facts were there for us all to see and the vast majority of us failed to see or recognise them, or ignored them because we were in the middle of our much adored Celtic Tiger boom. The 100% loans and rapidly expanding property developments etc were not exactly a secret.


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    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    They're not following you, you're following them. Therefore you are not comparing like with like. And it is harassment if you are following them around.

    No, I'm just canvassing for integrity and honesty and competence. I was planning on doing it anyway, but FF arriving on my doorstep reminded me to get my ass in gear.
    Baralis1 wrote: »
    Plus you must doubt the validity of your arguments if you feel people may vote FF without you arriving 2 mins later to persuade them otherwise.

    As I said, it was something I considered but anyone who can't see the truth about FF at this stage isn't going to be swayed.


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    No, I'm just canvassing for integrity and honesty and competence. I was planning on doing it anyway, but FF arriving on my doorstep reminded me to get my ass in gear.



    As I said, it was something I considered but anyone who can't see the truth about FF at this stage isn't going to be swayed.

    This is different from what you said in your earlier post. Canvassing is fine, a little pointless if you are not recomending a candidate but perfectly fine. Following canvassers around a housing estate to doorstop people they've spoken to 2 mins after they have left is harassment, and infringes their democratic right to canvass.

    As for your second point, there are still lots of people who can be swayed yet. For example, there are a certain group of voters who want FF out of government, but don't want Enda Kenny as Taoiseach and disagree with Labour's policies and Sinn Feins past. They could swing either way.


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    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    This is different from what you said in your earlier post. Canvassing is fine, a little pointless if you are not recomending a candidate but perfectly fine. Following canvassers around a housing estate to doorstop people they've spoken to 2 mins after they have left is harassment, and infringes their democratic right to canvass.

    I said I would canvass the houses immediately after them.
    Baralis1 wrote: »
    As for your second point, there are still lots of people who can be swayed yet. For example, there are a certain group of voters who want FF out of government, but don't want Enda Kenny as Taoiseach and disagree with Labour's policies and Sinn Feins past. They could swing either way.

    If they truly "want FF out of government", then they can't swing that way.


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    Fitzerb
    Registered Users Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Do what I'm going to do and wait until the FF canvassers arrive, and then follow them to every house so that you're arriving right behind them and their lies and spin don't get a chance to sink in.

    That said, I do think it's a waste, as the only people who would entertain FF at this stage are the die-hards; you could well be preaching to the 86% converted.

    So therefore based on that calculation of 86% dont want FF then the following is true as per the Red C poll ?

    FG 65% of voters dont want them

    Labour 79% of Voters dont want them

    SF 86% of voters dont want them

    Greens 96% of voters dont want them

    Indo's 88% of the voters dont want them

    I have never seen an opinion poll recorded that way but its interesting if not somewhat extremely negative.


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    Fitzerb
    Registered Users Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    charlemont wrote: »
    Your a good man, I love this idea, Still no FF canvassers on the terrace, Im sure they remember what happened here during the Local Elections..

    I strongly recomend you do it. Its not breaking the law and could be highly entertaining.


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    Fitzerb
    Registered Users Posts: 619 ✭✭✭Fitzerb


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I don't think anyone other than the Fianna Failure inner circle was aware that the banks were essentially unregulated and creating a huge debt time-bomb. It was FF's job to appoint and monitor the regulator. They appointed a clown and let him do nothing. I don't think anyone outside FFailure can be blamed for that colossal failure.

    Incorrect.

    There is no Government interference allowed with the bank regulator. He must be independent of any interference or influence from Government.

    Not the best set up but thats the fact. All Government can do is seek advise and information. If the Reg decides to tell lies to the DOF then it is quite difficult to verify that information.

    But hey let not the truth destroy a good story


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    Baralis1
    Registered Users Posts: 350 ✭✭Baralis1


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    Do what I'm going to do and wait until the FF canvassers arrive, and then follow them to every house so that you're arriving right behind them and their lies and spin don't get a chance to sink in.
    .

    I believe this is your post. Canvassing every house they go to immediately after they leave to doorstop people into not taking on board what they said is harassment to me. Its harassment of the people also. They have a right to be given time to make up their own mind and consider what the canvassers said.


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    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Baralis1 wrote: »
    I believe this is your post. Canvassing every house they go to immediately after they leave to doorstop people into not taking on board what they said is harassment to me. Its harassment of the people also. They have a right to be given time to make up their own mind and consider what the canvassers said.

    You earlier claimed I was harassing the canvassers, despite me saying I'd arrive after them.

    Anyway, as I said, if anyone believes FF's lies or thinks they're remotely competent at this stage they're not going to see sense, so it's a moot point.


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    scr123
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭scr123


    ilovesleep wrote: »
    I want to get out in my area and canvass against FF. Would this be ok I wonder. I dont have any connections to any political parties or independants.

    If ok, FF has done so much damage. What kind of info could I provide on an a5 sized page. Seems as if I would need a library on my back to do so.


    Smiled when I saw this and the replies to it.

    In 2007 75% of the electorate did not vote FF

    In the actual vote 58% did not vote FF

    Polls say these figures will increase come the election

    What is particulary stupid about the ABFF today is that they think ABFF disturbed mentality is something new

    Difficult task for the ABFF, subtract 1926 from 2011 and that will tell you how long ABFF hatred has been around

    I smile as I say the ABFF have lost the last 6 elections in a row and even now they are scared stiff they will blow it again !


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    selfobsessed
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭selfobsessed


    You obviously have nothing else better to do hence your username.


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    leeroybrown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    Be very careful with 'negative canvassing'. Some people will be receptive to it but you're equally likely to have the opposite effect and start to convince people that there's a witch hunt against them. I've seen it backfire in campaigns before.


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