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December 2020 Boards weather forecast contest

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Table of forecasts December 2020


    FORECASTER _____ IMT _ MAX _ MIN _ PRC _ SUN __ 25th Dub A, snow 24-25


    Gonzo ___________ 5.9 _ 14.1 _ -4.8 _ 096 _ 102 __ 12.4, 5.3, No

    MrSkinner ________ 5.9 _ 13.9 _ -4.9 _ 079 _ 089 ___ 9.9, 0.9, nein(no)

    Tae laidir _________5.9 _ 13.9 _ -4.4 _ 115 _ 105 __ 11.2, 7.3, No

    Eon1208 _________5.9 _ 13.4 _ -5.8 _ 096 _ 094 ___ 8.2, -2.1, Yes, Ballyhaise

    Joe Public ________ 5.9 _ 12.9 _ -7.9 _ 083 _ 110 ___ 4.4, -2.5, Yes, Knock

    Appledrop ________ 5.8 _ 14.2 _ -4.0 _ 105 _ 080__ 11.2, 2.5, No

    Pauldry __________ 5.7 _ 14.4 _ -4.7 _ 120 _ 089 __ 10.0, 4.1, No

    Bsal _____________5.6 _ 14.0 _ -5.0 _ 102 _ 097 ___ 8.5, 2.1, No

    Sunflower3 _______ 5.6 _ 13.9 _ -4.5 _ 085 _ 090 ___ 9.5, 1.5, No

    Rikand ___________5.5 _ 15.0 _ -6.0 _ 090 _ 120 ___ 8.0, -2.0, yes, knock

    john mac _________5.5 _ 14.7 _ -4.6 _ 102 _ 105 ___ 9.1, 1.8, yes, knock

    dasa29 __________ 5.5 _ 14.0 _ -6.0 _ 105 _ 105 ___ 6.5, -3.5, No

    sryanbruen _______ 5.5 _ 13.9 _ -4.2 _ 080 _ 105 __ 11.1, 4.8, No

    Adam240610 _____ 5.4 _ 15.5 _ -6.0 _ 100 _ 100 ___ 8.0, 2.0, no


    ___ NormaL ______ 5.4 _ 15.5 _ -6.0 _ 100 _ 100 ___ 8.0, 2.0, no


    DOCARCH ________ 5.3 _ 15.1 _ -4.2 _ 095 _ 106 ___ 4.8, -0.5, Yes, Knock


    ___ Con Sensus ___ 5.3 _ 14.1 _ -5.0 _ 097 _ 105 ___ 8.0, 0.4, tied number yes,no


    Funsterdelux _(-2) _ 5.2 _ 15.9 _ -4.7 _ 093 _ 099 ___ 7.0, -1.0, no

    SleetAndSnow -10) _5.2 _ 14.1 _ -4.4 _ 085 _ 110 _ 11.5, 4.8, Yes, Knock

    Dacogawa ________5.1 _ 14.3 _ -5.7 _ 118 _ 092 ___ 6.0, -2.4, Yes, Casement

    Bazlers __________ 5.1 _ 14.1 _ -6.4 _ 115 _ 120 ___ 3.5, -2.8, yes, Casement

    sdanseo _________ 5.1 _ 14.0 _ -6.2 _ 099 _ 114 ___ 6.8, -0.1, Yes, Knock

    Artane2002 ______ 5.1 _ 13.8 _ -4.4 _ 100 _ 095 __ 10.2, 3.8, No

    Tazio __ (-2) _____ 5.1 _ 11.1 _ -3.2 _ 085 _ 101 ___ 9.5, 2.2, No

    WesternStorm ____ 5.0 _ 14.6 _ -5.0 _ 095 _ 095 ___ 6.8, -0.5, no

    mickger844posts __ 5.0 _ 14.1 _ -4.0 _ 090 _ 105 __ 10.1, 2.8, No

    waterways _______ 5.0 _ 13.5 _ -6.1 _ 103 _ 097 ___ 9.0, 2.7, yes, Knock

    M.T. Cranium _____ 4.9 _ 14.8 _ -6.7 _ 125 _ 110 ___ 3.7, -2.5, yes, Casement

    Danno _ (-12) ____ 4.9 _ 14.4 _ -5.3 _ 090 _ 135 ___ 5.1, -5.2, yes, Ballyhaise

    Mr Stonewall ______4.9 _ 14.3 _ -5.4 _ 091 _ 098 ___ 5.2, -1.1, yes, Knock

    Jpmarn __________ 4.8 _ 14.8 _ -5.5 _ 110_ 105 ___ 7.5, -1.5, Yes, Knock

    BLIZZARD7_ (-2) __ 3.0 _ 12.8 _-11.5_ 090 _ 130 ___-0.5, -7.5, Yes, Casement

    ____________________________________________________

    30 forecasts so far, will add in any later ones, gave our two recent late entrants a bit of a break
    on the total points deducted since they aren't in contention for this year's awards,

    for the snowfall question, 15 said no, 15 said yes (Knock 8, Casement 4, Ballyhaise 1);


    consensus looks very close to average, with one forecaster throwing in the towel and taking

    average altogether (and why not you might ask) ...

    Welcome to our new or occasional forecasters, good luck -- November scoring in progress, awaiting confirmation later from MS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭Joe Public


    Location "Knock" for me please.

    knock knock who's there?

    snow

    snow who?

    snow one :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Gah I'm late! Oh well, ill take the (big) hit! (No hassle if im too late!)

    SleetAndSnow _____ 5.2 _ 14.1 _ -4.4 _ 085 _ 110 _ 11.5, 4.8, Yes, Knock


  • Registered Users Posts: 372 ✭✭waterways


    No snow in Knock, SleetandSnow?
    I say
    Yes, Knock and sleet at Malin Head ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    waterways wrote: »
    No snow in Knock, SleetandSnow?
    I go for it
    Yes, Knock ;)

    This is why you don't copy and paste and change the numbers, typos :p


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Knock knock 😭😭


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno



    Deadline for entries will be 0300h Tuesday 1st of December, with 1 point deductions for every 4h late to 1500h Monday 2nd, after which penalties are 1 point per hour (in addition to the 9 points accumulated to that time).

    :o

    Danno _____ 4.9 _ 14.4 _ -5.3 _ 90 _ 135 _ 5.1, -5.2, yes - Ballyhaise


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    12.3 MAX on 1st at Sherkin Island.


  • Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭kindredspirit


    Ooops! Completely forgot this month. :(:(:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,602 ✭✭✭200motels


    Ooops! Completely forgot this month. :(:(:(

    Same here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Well there's no problem in missing this last month, here's what your scoring lines are going to be for the best 10/12

    taking the lines from the last update and blanking out the score, unfortunately 200motels you already missed one month and will draw on your lowest score of 43, while Kindred Spirit will be adding second lowest 48 to the existing total.

    Currently


    08_(11)_ Kindred Spirit_____ 61 _63 _71 _71 _60 _53 _37 _53 _48 _55 _74 __ 646 ____ 561 (07t) (12t)


    17_(15)_200motels ________47 _--- _75 _61 _60 _65 _60 _43 _64 _65 _52 __ 592 ____ 549 (11t) (07)


    will end up

    ??_(08)_ Kindred Spirit_____ 61 _63 _71 _71 _60 _53 _37 _53 _48 _55 _74 _ --- _ 646 ____ 609 (??) (07t)


    ??_(17)_200motels ________47 _--- _75 _61 _60 _65 _60 _43 _64 _65 _52 _ --- _ 592 ____ 592 (??) (11t)

    At this point,

    others in the contest are guaranteed to go up from previous total by their second lowest score (in most cases) so what they actually go up will be the surplus of December over that score. For example, I have mick's score handy since I block copied the small part of the table between your lines, and in his case, second lowest score is 50, so his best 10/12 will be at least 550 + 50 = 600, and if he scores more than 50 in December, then it will go up by that much instead. But if he scores less he will add the 50.

    currently

    07_(08)_ mickger844posts __ 55 _63 _60 _48 _74 _59 _54 _53 _50 _70 _62 __ 648 ____ 550 (10) (11)

    will become

    yada yada 648+DEC ______ 550 + 50 or Dec whichever higher

    ... with the late penalties now in play, you can't beat your reserve scores anyway, I think we're past -50 now.

    My apologies for not contacting you soon after deadline, I only noticed who had not checked in late yesterday and figured it was too late for a solution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Min -1.7 Mt Dillion on 3rd Dec.

    I'd say last night was even colder though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Checked out the mins on 4th, about the same as 3rd, but meanwhile -3 at Dunsany 0700h today.

    A rather cold start to the month and only limited warming shown on model runs, could be running IMT values around 4 to 5 for quite a while.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,498 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    Checked out the mins on 4th, about the same as 3rd, but meanwhile -3 at Dunsany 0700h today.

    A rather cold start to the month and only limited warming shown on model runs, could be running IMT values around 4 to 5 for quite a while.

    -3.3C

    https://twitter.com/MetEireann/status/1335526505368137728?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭appledrop


    A number of stations at -3 at 11pm. I'd say -4 could be possible as night goes on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭Bsal


    -4.1 at Dublin airport on the 0100z


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Too late to edit the table of forecasts but this line

    for the snowfall question, 15 said no, 15 said yes (Knock 8, Casement 4, Ballyhaise 1);

    should read

    for the snowfall question, 15 said no, 15 said yes (Knock 9, Casement 4, Ballyhaise 2).

    If a moderator can make that change then you could also delete this post. (it makes no difference to the contest scoring anyway).


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭appledrop


    So new official min is -3.4 at Dublin airport on 6th.

    However as Bsal noted DA reached -4 overnight + Dunsany is showing -5 at 5am.

    So the 7th Dec data when complied with give us our new min.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,498 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    appledrop wrote: »
    So new official min is -3.4 at Dublin airport on 6th.

    However as Bsal noted DA reached -4 overnight + Dunsany is showing -5 at 5am.

    So the 7th Dec data when complied with give us our new min.

    -4.8C.

    https://twitter.com/MetEireann/status/1335892996328476673?s=20


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After first week ...

    IMT 3.7 (2.4 below normal).

    MAX 12.3, MIN -4.8

    PRC 69% of normal

    SUN 93% of normal (556/600).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭appledrop


    After first week ...

    IMT 3.7 (2.4 below normal).

    MAX 12.3, MIN -4.8

    PRC 69% of normal

    SUN 93% of normal (556/600).

    I hope most of those stats change by the end of month or I will be scoring 0 this month!


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Had a look at the latest GFS 16-day run, would say if that verified, the IMT would recover a bit into the high 4's to near 5 but would be falling again just near the end of the run (24th), a MAX of 14 looks likely to me, nothing definitely lower than current MIN but potential for it building near the end (if there's a colder turn then), PRC would edge up to around 90% at times, probably won't exceed 100% at any point, and SUN under no particular pressure to go either way.

    So your score could improve a bit at least. That MAX won't hold up too long if the Atlantic even half wakes up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭appledrop


    New Max 13.0 degrees on 13th at Phoneix Park.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After two weeks ...

    IMT on 5.0 with the second week average 6.3 (0.6 above normal).

    MAX 13.0 and MIN -4.8

    PRC now up to 113% with the second week at 156% of normal. The month reaches a guaranteed 100% of monthly normal if this week runs 230% of normal (and rest of month is dry) or if this week runs 150% and final ten days have half normal.

    SUN now at 106.2% of normal with the second week relatively bright at 120% (720/600).

    A reminder, the Christmas snow bonus includes the 24th which may help push it to yes rather than the usual no.

    For the Christmas Dublin temps, current model output looks to be cool, early morning lows around -2 and late afternoon or evening highs around 8 from the current guidance (a weak warm sector arrives overnight then it turns colder briefly on 26th before more oscillations in a fast west-northwest flow, according to latest GFS guidance). The ECM looks similar, perhaps not quite to 8 C as the warm advection is weaker by late in the day. The GEM does not erode the ridge at all keeping that milder air out to sea past the end of the day, would go about -3 to 5 on its guidance. So a blend looks like -2 to 7 would verify. The 24th is a bit colder in the daytime than those numbers, mixed wintry showers look quite possible. Knock would be favoured over Casement but both have some chance of the white stuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    What is the penalty for changing my Christmas forecast? :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    I'm sure you're kidding but the technical answer is that any segment of a forecast can be changed with the late penalty applied, however all segments were worth zero upon changing after about six days so you would be sure to score zero no matter what you said now. Latest guidance even colder and more likely to snow in places.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Tae laidir wrote: »
    What is the penalty for changing my Christmas forecast? :)

    Some of us hope and believe :D :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,777 ✭✭✭appledrop


    New max 14.2 on 18th at Dublin Airport.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,319 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    After three weeks ...

    IMT on 5.7, the third week average was 7.1 which was 1.6 above normal. Some downward pressure on IMT the rest of the way, projected finish around 5.0.

    MAX 14.2, MIN -4.8 -- MAX more likely than MIN to survive the coming roller coaster ride.

    PRC now 124% of normal with the week at 146%. That's enough to guarantee an outcome of at least 82%, with half normal amounts from today to end of month the requirement to get to an outcome of 100%. That's about what is actually expected, perhaps a touch more to land near 103-105 per cent.

    SUN has edged up again to 107.6% with this past week 109.7% (658/600). That may hold or slip back slightly, once again would say 103-105 looks good (hard to say how much sun might get through the maritime flow stratus layers in the colder spell, this could conceivably rise too).

    The Dublin forecast is now looking like about max 7, min -2 might work, and there's some chance for the "yes" half of the field mainly with localized snow showers on the 24th qualifying. Will have to be at a weather station though, not a photo of a distant hilltop.

    So how's all that looking for your scoring potential? I will check the forecasts and edit in where I see the highest scoring at this early juncture.

    If there's no change to MAX and MIN, some high scores will fall into the bottom third of the table (where the colder IMT forecasts are located, as long as IMT and MIN aren't too extreme), also john mac a bit higher on IMT is looking good on most portions. Some (like myself) need a lower MIN to complete a good score. With the overall scoring quite a close contest, there may be a chaotic finish.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,105 ✭✭✭John mac


    A not a photo of a distant hilltop.

    :(:(:(
    ;)
    i was counting on that ........... (not really )


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