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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

  • 28-03-2018 12:36pm
    #1
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭


    Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

    Mod Note Keep this relevant to this thread and don't bring up others. ie the eighth amendment thread.

    MOD NOTE By the way don't post anything from members on the jury that's appearing online.

    Do You Agree With The Not Guilty Verdict? 1964 votes

    YES
    0% 0 votes
    NO
    60% 1196 votes
    I'm Still Not Sure
    22% 439 votes
    No Comment
    16% 329 votes


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  • #2
    coffee_cake
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    Surprised at the verdict and it being so quick


  • #3
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,100 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Well there you go. Two hours not long to discuss I would have thought.


  • #4
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Sam Quentin wrote: »
    Strange.. I'm kinda relieved it's all over.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/belfast-rape-trial-verdict-3928309-Mar2018/

    This thread is going to be interesting :eek:


  • #5
    James Bond Junior
    Registered Users Posts: 5,127 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    Their careers have probably been ended either way. There are no winners here.


  • #6
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    Can't wait for the very civil and level headed discussions in here


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  • #7
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,696 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Jeeves!!

    Fetch me my popcorn and a large snifter of cognac my good man!


  • #8
    pjohnson
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    Will she be named now?


  • #9
    Nerdlingr
    Registered Users Posts: 4,385 ✭✭✭Nerdlingr


    Expected that. Maybe thought they'd charge Harrison but not surprised by the outcome. Never enough evidence to prosecute.


  • #10
    Fanny Wank
    Registered Users Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Fanny Wank


    Awaits comments of

    "This is not justice"

    "Wrong verdict"

    etc etc

    It's already started on Twitter


  • #11
    Zulu
    Registered Users Posts: 10,965 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    I feel sorry for the girl, whether or not she was telling porkies or not, it's a sorry sorry affair.


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  • #12
    _Dara_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    Based on what I’ve read, it seems like the right decision. There was plenty of doubt there. Being a misogynistic jackass isn’t illegal.

    Edited to add, because I think it’s important: A feminist friend of mine thought the men were innocent based on what she had read of the case. Not all feminists are irrational beings. My friend is a scientist though. Maybe her training allows her to evaluate things in a cold, clear manner.


  • #13
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Fanny **** wrote: »
    Awaits comments of

    "This is not justice"

    "Wrong verdict"

    etc etc

    It's already started on Twitter

    Kudos on the profile name by the way!


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    It saddens me that (regardless of whether or not she was up for it or whatever) they would want to defile a young woman like that anyway..


  • #15
    Flange/Flanders
    Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭Flange/Flanders


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Will she be named now?

    not in the media I'd imagine.


  • #16
    padd b1975
    Registered Users Posts: 10,696 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    James Bond Junior wrote: »
    Their careers have probably been ended either way. There are no winners here.

    This won't affect their careers in the slightest, nor should it.
    They are innocent.


  • #17
    givyjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    _Dara_ wrote: »
    Based on what I’ve read, it seems like the right decision. There was plenty of doubt there. Being a misogynistic jackass isn’t illegal.

    Agreed, unfortunately there are many folks who'd made up their minds of guilt (and vice versa) long before the verdict.


  • #18
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Will she be named now?

    Name and pictures going around since the start of this.....


  • #19
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Thank fcuk it's over, pain in my bollocks with it, every day being headline news

    Sad thing is, the 4 lads in question will probably have their careers finished now regardless whereas the accuser stands behind anonymity.


  • #20
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Zulu wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the girl, whether or not she was telling porkies or not, it's a sorry sorry affair.

    How the bloody hell can you feel sorry for a liar??


  • #21
    lawred2
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    Based on what I read of the trial - that was pretty much the verdict I expected..

    Whether that's actually the just result - I have no idea.


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  • #22
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    None of them should ever have been named in the first place.


  • #23
    cavemeister
    Registered Users Posts: 593 ✭✭✭cavemeister


    It was always going to be a lose/lose trial.


  • #24
    pjohnson
    Registered Users Posts: 23,073 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    This won't affect their careers in the slightest, nor should it.
    They are innocent.

    Jackson and Olding are victims. They should be allowed return to play for Ulster.


    And eejits who had started campaigns to have Rory Best removed as Ireland captain.


  • #25
    bogwalrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,454 ✭✭✭bogwalrus


    Zulu wrote: »
    I feel sorry for the girl, whether or not she was telling porkies or not, it's a sorry sorry affair.

    And you don't feel sorry for the others? Careers and reputations destroyed. I really wish this trial was done out of the public's view so that all parties involved would not be worse off.


  • #26
    RockDesk
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭RockDesk


    spurious wrote: »
    Well there you go. Two hours not long to discuss I would have thought.

    I was surprised by that as well


  • #27
    Sam Quentin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭Sam Quentin


    I was always putting myself in their position at that age(young)and thinking!? How are they coping day in day out...
    I think I would have cracked up....
    I always seen it as a drunken regretful night, that should never have happened...


  • #28
    Adamocovic
    Registered Users Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭Adamocovic


    Also just my take on the matter.

    To be honest I wasn't too sure where I stood on it, kept flipping between believing they were innocent to believing they were guilty. It's hard to say for certain based off what was heard, only the people themselves really know.

    Despite the fact I think I was leaning on the side that they were guilty if a jury has found them not guilty after the long trial that it was then have to accept this fact and put my personally opinions aside on it. In the eyes of the law they are innocent men.


  • #29
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    James Bond Junior wrote: »
    Their careers have probably been ended either way. There are no winners here.


    Why? they are innocent.....

    How would anyone think they would be able to punish someone for been innocent?

    If guilty then yes they certainly would never be seen near a rugby shirt again and that would be 100% correct


  • #30
    James Bond Junior
    Registered Users Posts: 5,127 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    This won't affect their careers in the slightest, nor should it.
    They are innocent.

    I'd love to say you're right but I doubt it. Maybe I am being cynical, maybe you're being naive but I don't think they will play international rugby again.


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  • #31
    retro:electro
    Registered Users Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    At the end of the day, whatever your feelings on this case may be- there simply wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute. Personally I don’t know how the jury reached a decision so quickly, as every day when the summaries went out my mind changed. For me, the whole thing hinges on the witness who walked in. She was the crux of it and I think her testament was 90% of the reason they got off. Whatever your feelings on this, whether you think they should have been found guilty or not- I think we can all agree that the texts they shared about her the next day were nothing short of disgusting, and they showed their true nature. Okay, so they may not have raped her. But they showed her absolutely no regard and spoke about her as if she was a piece of meat.


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