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!!!!!!!!! Paula's World Record Gone !!!!!!!!

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  • #32
    YFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    walshb wrote: »
    Fair play to Paula. She was there to greet and congratulate the new record holder...

    Yes they all acknowledge records can be broken. Johnson was in awe when Bolt beat his 200m record. However Cram was not so much when Mo beat his 1500m British record.


  • #33
    YFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    walshb wrote: »
    Kipchoge yesterday looked like he could run another marathon straight away. I have never seen a person look so “fresh” after 26 mikes, hence my not really caring as much...

    Why so walsh? He is going slightly slower than tempo pace (close to 10 mile race pace). If you keep lactate levels close to 4mmol/L you will run fast yet control.


  • #34
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 54,561 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    YFlyer wrote: »
    Why so walsh? He is going slightly slower than tempo pace (close to 10 mile race pace). If you keep lactate levels close to 4mmol/L you will run fast yet control.

    Agreed..


  • #35
    dna_leri
    Registered Users Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭dna_leri


    Is it a world record if there were male pace makers ?


  • #36
    KSU
    Registered Users Posts: 946 ✭✭✭KSU


    dna_leri wrote: »
    Is it a world record if there were male pace makers ?

    Beats Paula WR from 03 but the women’s only one still stands at 2.17 by Mary Keitany. Would imagine London will be target to take that one down especially given pacers peeled off a lot earlier than they did with Paula In Chicago


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  • #37
    28064212
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    dna_leri wrote: »
    Is it a world record if there were male pace makers ?
    IAAF recognise two sets of records for women:
    • Mx: mixed gender race
    • Wo: women only race
    Mary Keitany still holds the women only record at 2:17:01

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  • #38
    Chivito550
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    28064212 wrote: »
    Moves to second on the Irish all-time list, only Catherina McKiernan (2:22:23) ahead of her, great performance

    And the elephant in the room which is conveniently forgotten by some. Sinead Diver is 2 and a half minutes ahead of her.

    That's a splendid performance by Fionnuala. Always felt 2:26 was there for her but she had disappointed in previous attempts at non championship marathons. She has now lived up to her potential over the distance. I wonder is a top 10 in Tokyo a genuine possibility.


  • #39
    28064212
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    Chivito550 wrote: »
    And the elephant in the room which is conveniently forgotten by some. Sinead Diver is 2 and a half minutes ahead of her.
    Not forgotten, just not relevant except in a "what if" discussion
    Chivito550 wrote: »
    That's a splendid performance by Fionnuala. Always felt 2:26 was there for her but she had disappointed in previous attempts at non championship marathons. She has now lived up to her potential over the distance. I wonder is a top 10 in Tokyo a genuine possibility.
    Yes, looks like a very realistic goal now, great to see

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  • #40
    Chivito550
    Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    28064212 wrote: »
    Not forgotten, just not relevant except in a "what if" discussionYes, looks like a very realistic goal now, great to see

    Depends how it's phrased. Seeing a lot of people say that she's now the second fastest Irishwoman in history, which is not true. Sinead Diver is an Irish citizen.

    Second on the Irish all-time list is definitely a better way to phrase it (which is how you put it I acknowledge).


  • #41
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Chivito550 wrote: »
    Depends how it's phrased. Seeing a lot of people say that she's now the second fastest Irishwoman in history, which is not true. Sinead Diver is an Irish citizen.

    Second on the Irish all-time list is definitely a better way to phrase it (which is how you put it I acknowledge).

    Imagine if we get two irish girls in the top 10 at Tokyo. That be some achievement.


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  • #42
    average_runner
    Registered Users Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Sinbad_NI wrote: »
    And she wasn't even out of breath when she crossed the line... yeah amazing eh... just like Ayana's 10k WR :-(

    Her marathon PB in 2015 was 2:47 and 2016 her half PB was 1:14.

    Some improvement but you know she will get busted somewhere down the line


  • #43
    Chivito550
    Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


      average_runner wrote: »
      Imagine if we get two irish girls in the top 10 at Tokyo. That be some achievement.

      It could well happen.

      Conditions will be as rough as they come. As bad as Doha with the heat and humidity, and then throw in direct sunlight for good measure.

      Diver mentioned possibly having to go somewhere leading into it to prepare for the warm conditions, as the Melbourne winter isn't going to be good preparation. Definitely tricky when you are in winter preparing for it.


    1. #44
      yerwanthere123
      Registered Users, Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,276 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


      Wow, shocked to see Paula's world record go, I wasn't expecting it to happen in Chicago. I hadn't heard anything about a possible world record attempt either, but maybe I simply wasn't paying attention? Didn't think it could happen in Chicago either, I thought only London or Berlin were possibilities. Either way it's a stunning record, amazing Paula's lasted as long as it did, and it seems Kosgei can and intends on going a lot quicker. She said yesterday she thinks 2:10 is possible for a woman!

      I always thought either Keitany, Cheruiyot or Dibaba would be the ones to break the record, but at the ages of 38, 36 and 34 with baby #2 on the way respectively I think they can all forget about this new record. The next person to break the record will obviously be Kosgei again herself, but it's difficult to see anyone else coming even remotely close to the time she just set. Can't wait for the day Ayana or Hassan step up to the marathon :pac:


    2. #45
      average_runner
      Registered Users Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


      yerwanthere123 wrote: »
      Wow, shocked to see Paula's world record go, I wasn't expecting it to happen in Chicago. I hadn't heard anything about a possible world record attempt either, but maybe I simply wasn't paying attention? Didn't think it could happen in Chicago either, I thought only London or Berlin were possibilities. Either way it's a stunning record, amazing Paula's lasted as long as it did, and it seems Kosgei can and intends on going a lot quicker. She said yesterday she thinks 2:10 is possible for a woman!

      I always thought either Keitany, Cheruiyot or Dibaba would be the ones to break the record, but at the ages of 38, 36 and 34 with baby #2 on the way respectively I think they can all forget about this new record. The next person to break the record will obviously be Kosgei again herself, but it's difficult to see anyone else coming even remotely close to the time she just set. Can't wait for the day Ayana or Hassan step up to the marathon :pac:

      Kosgei performance in the half last sept had set the tone she was going for it.


    3. #46
      [Deleted User]
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      I thought the best part of it was her more or less ignoring Paula after the finish when she showed up for the photo op.


    4. #47
      Sinbad_NI
      Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Sinbad_NI


      average_runner wrote: »
      Her marathon PB in 2015 was 2:47 and 2016 her half PB was 1:14.

      Some improvement but you know she will get busted somewhere down the line

      Looked oh so similar to a cycling finish in the late 90 , early 00s. Not exactly rocket science, rocket fuel would be more accurate :-(
      Only a matter of time unfortunately.


    5. #48
      average_runner
      Registered Users Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


      Sinbad_NI wrote: »
      Looked oh so similar to a cycling finish in the late 90 , early 00s. Not exactly rocket science, rocket fuel would be more accurate :-(
      Only a matter of time unfortunately.

      To make it better, her time is the closest to the mens record in Athletics bar one. Flo Jo was 9.5% and her's is 10.34%


    6. #49
      Chivito550
      Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


      average_runner wrote: »
      To make it better, her time is the closest to the mens record in Athletics bar one. Flo Jo was 9.5% and her's is 10.34%

      Flojo's 10.49 is significantly wind aided. It should not be counted. 10.61 is the time that should be used for comparison purposes.


    7. #50
      average_runner
      Registered Users Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


      Chivito550 wrote: »
      Flojo's 10.49 is significantly wind aided. It should not be counted. 10.61 is the time that should be used for comparison purposes.

      So Kosgei standss out even more. What's your opinion on her?


    8. #51
      walshb
      Registered Users Posts: 54,561 ✭✭✭✭walshb


      The farther the distances the closer the percentage differences between males and females, generally.

      Flo jo was a low 10.5 runner I'd say. The wind meter in the U.S trials was an issue, but we cannot know for certain her true best time...


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    10. #52
      Sinbad_NI
      Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Sinbad_NI


      Chivito550 wrote: »
      Flojo's 10.49 is significantly wind aided. It should not be counted. 10.61 is the time that should be used for comparison purposes.

      Not sure 100m, men's or women's, is a good place to start comparing clean athletes!


    11. #53
      walshb
      Registered Users Posts: 54,561 ✭✭✭✭walshb


      Chivito550 wrote: »
      Flojo's 10.49 is significantly wind aided. It should not be counted. 10.61 is the time that should be used for comparison purposes.

      We don't know the readings.....

      Is there any verifiable proof that she had a full on tailwind, and if so, its spreed; or maybe cross winds or even slight in your face winds during parts of the race.


    12. #54
      walshb
      Registered Users Posts: 54,561 ✭✭✭✭walshb


      Sinbad_NI wrote: »
      Not sure 100m, men's or women's, is a good place to start comparing clean athletes!

      Bolt's 9.58 is clean....why not start here? Forget the ones slower. The fastest ever is clean...


    13. #55
      average_runner
      Registered Users Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


      walshb wrote: »
      The farther the distances the closer the percentage differences between males and females, generally.

      Flo jo was a low 10.5 runner I'd say. The wind meter in the U.S trials was an issue, but we cannot know for certain her true best time...

      Next closest is the 400m time!!


    14. #56
      Chivito550
      Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


      walshb wrote: »
      We don't know the readings.....

      Is there any verifiable proof that she had a full on tailwind, and if so, its spreed; or maybe cross winds or even slight in your face winds during parts of the race.

      The triple jump that took place at the same time had readings of +5.0.

      It was a quarter final heat FFS. Common sense lad.


    15. #57
      walshb
      Registered Users Posts: 54,561 ✭✭✭✭walshb


      Chivito550 wrote: »
      The triple jump that took place at the same time had readings of +5.0.

      It was a quarter final heat FFS. Common sense lad.

      Quarter final.........

      What has this to do with it?

      Carl Lewis ran his fastest ever time in a QF I believe. 1991 QF heats 100.

      It too was wind aided.


    16. #58
      Chivito550
      Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


      average_runner wrote: »
      So Kosgei standss out even more. What's your opinion on her?

      That would make sense. For years we've heard people harping on about the longer the distance the closer the gap between men and women.

      My personal opinion is these shoes are ruining marathon running.

      She could be doping of course, but you could make allegations about great performances in any sport. Tennis anyone?


    17. #59
      Chivito550
      Registered Users Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Chivito550


      walshb wrote: »
      Quarter final.........

      What has this to do with it?

      Carl Lewis ran his fastest ever time in a QF I believe. 1991 QF heats 100.

      It too was wind aided.

      No athlete goes flat out in a national championship quarter final heat. Come on!

      Nobody takes her 10.49 seriously. The clock malfunctioned. What odds she got a 0.0 (not even a 0.1 or a 0.2) at the same time the triple jumpers were getting 5.0.

      Im afraid you're wasting your time arguing this one. Save your energy for something worth arguing over.


    18. #60
      average_runner
      Registered Users Posts: 12,844 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


      Chivito550 wrote: »
      That would make sense. For years we've heard people harping on about the longer the distance the closer the gap between men and women.

      My personal opinion is these shoes are ruining marathon running.

      She could be doping of course, but you could make allegations about great performances in any sport. Tennis anyone?

      I agree I do think the shoes are ruining the marathon.

      Don't want to bring another sport in here, they all have the same issues once money is on the table


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    20. #61
      Sinbad_NI
      Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Sinbad_NI


      walshb wrote: »
      Bolt's 9.58 is clean....why not start here? Forget the ones slower. The fastest ever is clean...

      Just because he hasn't been caught doesn't make him clean.
      Association with Heredia casts a huge cloud.


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