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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2013- Mod Warning Post #1

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  • #4442
    thegambler2
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭thegambler2


    Just wondering what peoples opinions on the fact that the minor captain has to be from the previous years minor winning team. Firstly I have no problem with this years choice, that being said he wouldnt have got the captaincy except for the fact he is from that club. Throughout the years players from clubs from lower divisions have deserved the captaincy. Why not take the senior model and give it to the most deserving and save the hassle of it all?


  • #4443
    hardybuck
    Registered Users Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭hardybuck


    thegambler2 wrote: »
    Just wondering what peoples opinions on the fact that the minor captain has to be from the previous years minor winning team. Firstly I have no problem with this years choice, that being said he wouldnt have got the captaincy except for the fact he is from that club. Throughout the years players from clubs from lower divisions have deserved the captaincy. Why not take the senior model and give it to the most deserving and save the hassle of it all?

    Personally, I don't like it at all. I played on minor and U21 teams where we either had a very poor choice of captain, or worse again had a decent captain who didn't have enough ability to be starting on the team.

    A team which won the county title might actually be less likely to have high quality players not in their last year of minor or 21.


  • #4444
    premierstone
    Registered Users Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    thegambler2 wrote: »
    Just wondering what peoples opinions on the fact that the minor captain has to be from the previous years minor winning team. Firstly I have no problem with this years choice, that being said he wouldnt have got the captaincy except for the fact he is from that club. Throughout the years players from clubs from lower divisions have deserved the captaincy. Why not take the senior model and give it to the most deserving and save the hassle of it all?

    Wasn't aware Waterford had such a rule and tbh its bizzare and illogical, longest serving panel member or managements preference would be far more appropriate.


  • #4445
    seananigans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭seananigans


    premierstone wrote: »
    Wasn't aware Waterford had such a rule and tbh its bizzare and illogical, longest serving panel member or managements preference would be far more appropriate.


    Wouldn't it be mental if we turn into a new Gallway/ Clare with unsafe success to beat the band and seniors with no bottle


  • #4446
    premierstone
    Registered Users Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    seananigans wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be mental if we turn into a new Gallway/ Clare with unsafe success to beat the band and seniors with no bottle

    :confused: you lost me bud??


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  • #4447
    robopaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭robopaddy


    thegambler2 wrote: »
    Just wondering what peoples opinions on the fact that the minor captain has to be from the previous years minor winning team. Firstly I have no problem with this years choice, that being said he wouldnt have got the captaincy except for the fact he is from that club. Throughout the years players from clubs from lower divisions have deserved the captaincy. Why not take the senior model and give it to the most deserving and save the hassle of it all?

    Makes zero sense. Last years minor club champions are effectively a different age group to this years county minor team. Should have no bearing whatsoever.

    That being said last years captain kevin daly was a brilliant choice. A very level headed younglad and became a great ambassador for the team and county.


  • #4448
    hurler on de ditch
    Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭hurler on de ditch


    premierstone wrote: »
    :confused: you lost me bud??
    LOST THE PLOT


  • #4449
    thegambler2
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭thegambler2


    robopaddy wrote: »
    Makes zero sense. Last years minor club champions are effectively a different age group to this years county minor team. Should have no bearing whatsoever.

    That being said last years captain kevin daly was a brilliant choice. A very level headed younglad and became a great ambassador for the team and county.

    Spot on there! He wouldnt have got the position apart from this crazy rule, but it really worked in the teams favour!
    But for example he was dropped for the Clare game last year, a captain needs to be a guareenteed starter, can anybody remember 2010? there was problems there too!
    The most natural leader should be given the job. Simple as


  • #4450
    Deiseforall
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Deiseforall


    Kevin Daly led his County by example last year. He was only dropped because he was selected in the wrong position for the Tipperary game. A natural leader once he was selected in his correct position as FULL BACK.


  • #4451
    thegambler2
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭thegambler2


    Deiseforall wrote: »
    Kevin Daly led his County by example last year. He was only dropped because he was selected in the wrong position for the Tipperary game. A natural leader once he was selected in his correct position as FULL BACK.

    I agree completely with what you are saying, the point im trying to bring across isnt that kevin daly the player was dropped, rather the waterford captain was dropped!


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  • #4452
    carter10
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭carter10


    premierstone wrote: »
    Wasn't aware Waterford had such a rule and tbh its bizzare and illogical, longest serving panel member or managements preference would be far more appropriate.

    Do Tipp not have the same rule? I remember somethin about Pa O NEILL IN 88?


  • #4453
    premierstone
    Registered Users Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    carter10 wrote: »
    Do Tipp not have the same rule? I remember somethin about Pa O NEILL IN 88?

    No we used to have it at senior level alright but that was abolished in the 90's, mamgements choice now.

    Pa O'Neill was captain in 1988 but was never really an established first 15 player, when he was left out for the final and Nicky English was chosen as captain there was a bit if resentment in Cappawhite (Pa's Club) as they felt it was Babs trying to get the star man as his captain. Its still a very contentious subject in West tipp tbh.


  • #4454
    Slobbery
    Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭Slobbery


    thegambler2 wrote: »
    Just wondering what peoples opinions on the fact that the minor captain has to be from the previous years minor winning team. Firstly I have no problem with this years choice, that being said he wouldnt have got the captaincy except for the fact he is from that club. Throughout the years players from clubs from lower divisions have deserved the captaincy. Why not take the senior model and give it to the most deserving and save the hassle of it all?


    It makes no sense really


  • #4455
    carter10
    Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭carter10


    premierstone wrote: »
    No we used to have it at senior level alright but that was abolished in the 90's, mamgements choice now.

    Pa O'Neill was captain in 1988 but was never really an established first 15 player, when he was left out for the final and Nicky English was chosen as captain there was a bit if resentment in Cappawhite (Pa's Club) as they felt it was Babs trying to get the star man as his captain. Its still a very contentious subject in West tipp tbh.

    Am I right in saying he gave a great speech after the 88 league final? Long time ago now, vaguely remember the hassle over the captaincy


  • #4456
    Mountainlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    premierstone wrote: »
    Wasn't aware Waterford had such a rule and tbh its bizzare and illogical, longest serving panel member or managements preference would be far more appropriate.

    Don't most have it?
    thegambler2 wrote: »
    Spot on there! He wouldnt have got the position apart from this crazy rule, but it really worked in the teams favour!
    But for example he was dropped for the Clare game last year, a captain needs to be a guareenteed starter, can anybody remember 2010? there was problems there too!
    The most natural leader should be given the job. Simple as

    Pretty sure Paudi Mahony was captain in 2010 which was no bad choice.

    2011 though Chris Kervick was captain and didn't play after the first game. He was joint captain though with Gavin O'Brien, so that wasn't too bad either in fairness.


  • #4457
    Waterford cd
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭Waterford cd


    Only know handful of minors . Anyone have player by player info on starting line up?


  • #4458
    Waterford cd
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭Waterford cd


    robopaddy wrote: »
    Surprised at the positioning of lyons

    Anyone know info on starting line up ?


  • #4459
    Mr Tibbs
    Registered Users Posts: 420 ✭✭Mr Tibbs


    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-gaa-has-sold-its-soul-to-line-murdochs-pockets-30158894.html

    This is an article by Colm O'Rourke about the GAA's deal with SKY.


  • #4460
    Ropaire
    Registered Users Posts: 488 ✭✭Ropaire


    Mr Tibbs wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/colm-orourke-gaa-has-sold-its-soul-to-line-murdochs-pockets-30158894.html

    This is an article by Colm O'Rourke about the GAA's deal with SKY.

    Interesting read. Who sold off these rights to Sky btw? If that went to a vote at any level of whats supposed to be an amateur organisation it would have fell flat on its arse!


  • #4461
    Waternut
    Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭Waternut


    Anyone know is Jack McCarthy and Craig Brown injured / on the panel? Sutton would be a huge addition too..


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  • #4462
    robopaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭robopaddy


    Ropaire wrote: »
    Interesting read. Who sold off these rights to Sky btw? If that went to a vote at any level of whats supposed to be an amateur organisation it would have fell flat on its arse!

    Then again so would many other votes. Eg opening croke park. People will move on


  • #4463
    1club1county
    Registered Users Posts: 19 ✭1club1county


    Horseboxhead wrote: »
    M.J. Sutton ferrybank, What is his best position, and how would that impact on this team Named?, Also What is his injury, and how Long will he be out for?, i Know colm roche, so i presume he would be Centre forward, with cormac gone to midfield or possible to the wing with team captain under pressure, and again anyone in the know ,What is his injury ? and how long is he out for, I presume both must be significant, as you would do your best to be back for this game, Also what is the state of Play with stephen bennett is he injured at the moment?, or is he training with the senior panel, also Darragh fives was his injury against dublin, a new injury or a continuation of his previous and very much consistant injury woes?, please no speculation, just relevant facts.
    Roche has always played full back for this age group & mj in midfield. But postions always change about at minor grade, Austin Gleeson moving from the forwards to centre back is an example


  • #4464
    thegambler2
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭thegambler2


    Mountainlad wrote: »
    Don't most have it?



    Pretty sure Paudi Mahony was captain in 2010 which was no bad choice.

    2011 though Chris Kervick was captain and didn't play after the first game. He was joint captain though with Gavin O'Brien, so that wasn't too bad either in fairness.

    Apologies it was 2011 I was thinking of!


  • #4465
    robopaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭robopaddy


    Anyone read wayne hutchinsons blog on his battles with depression? Compelling reading. Fair play to him for talking about it. Shows a lot of courage


  • #4466
    seananigans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭seananigans


    robopaddy wrote: »
    Anyone read wayne hutchinsons blog on his battles with depression? Compelling reading. Fair play to him for talking about it. Shows a lot of courage

    No chance of a link no?


  • #4467
    cleaboy boy
    Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭cleaboy boy


    Link to Wayne Hutchinson's piece here.
    Very powerful and very brave.

    http://waynehutchinson09.wordpress.com/


  • #4468
    TheBomber14
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭TheBomber14


    the minors are 4/9 to win tomorrow night, very short, anyone have any info on the clare team?


  • #4469
    cleaboy boy
    Registered Users Posts: 117 ✭✭cleaboy boy


    No info on the Clare team, I know there's goals in that Waterford full forward line though. Patrick Curran isnt 100% fit so that's a bit of a worry...


  • #4470
    robopaddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭robopaddy


    TheBomber14 wrote: »
    the minors are 4/9 to win tomorrow night, very short, anyone have any info on the clare team?

    From the clare forum, not much expected from their minors this year it would seem. Davy fitz younglad is playin. Years dont be long goin!


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  • #4471
    premierstone
    Registered Users Posts: 7,706 ✭✭✭premierstone


    carter10 wrote: »
    Am I right in saying he gave a great speech after the 88 league final? Long time ago now, vaguely remember the hassle over the captaincy
    He did indeed, he was a fine hurler in his own right to be fair but at the time Tipp had an exceptional set of forwards, the 6 that started the final in '88 was Declan Ryan, Donie O'Connell, John Leahy, Pat Fox, Nicholas English and Aidan Ryan. Even Cormac Bonner couldnt make the line up so he just very unlucky really.

    Mountainlad wrote: »
    Don't most have it?

    Perhaps Mountain although wasn't aware that it was still prevelant, its completely illogoical, technically a club could win a minor county final ( especially a town or city club, with 15, 18 year olds and all would be overage the following year yet that club would have the captain of the county team the following year.


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