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Sleep Apnoea and CPAP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    Quick question, is Vincents the only place in Ireland to get treatment? I didn't get on with the consultant there at all (she had major issues with me buying a machine from the US rather than renting one) and would like to get some follow up as I have stopped using the cpap due to difficulties and feel i cannot go back.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Im getting the gum shield fitted in a few weeks, anybody use it or have any tips?

    I was diagnosed with severe SA a few years ago but in my recent test only had about 6 episodes per hour, Dr Purcell thinks maybe I’m fitter and lost weight which explains it. Anybody else ever get different diagnosis like this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭Glebee


    Quick question, is Vincents the only place in Ireland to get treatment? I didn't get on with the consultant there at all (she had major issues with me buying a machine from the US rather than renting one) and would like to get some follow up as I have stopped using the cpap due to difficulties and feel i cannot go back.

    I went to Galway Clinc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭nibtrix


    Quick question, is Vincents the only place in Ireland to get treatment? I didn't get on with the consultant there at all (she had major issues with me buying a machine from the US rather than renting one) and would like to get some follow up as I have stopped using the cpap due to difficulties and feel i cannot go back.

    I went to the Beacon. I was actually seeing a different consultant for an unrelated issue and he suggested I might have sleep apnoea, and referred me to a colleague. I actually ended up having the sleep study, cpap trial, being sent to Resmed to get set up, and being on the cpap machine for 5 months before I ever saw the consultant...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭nibtrix


    Cushtie wrote: »
    I'm considering getting the Nasal Pillows mask. The only thing is I'm a bit of a mouth breather. I've been trying to train myself to breathe exclusivity through the nose.

    You could try the Resmed F30, it sits under your nose rather than across the bridge - https://www.resmed.com/en-us/sleep-apnea/cpap-parts-support/sleep-apnea-full-products-list/cpap-masks/airfit-f30/

    I haven't tried it myself. There are a lot of comparison videos on youtube, might be worth checking out...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 652 ✭✭✭Dtoffee


    Quick question, is Vincents the only place in Ireland to get treatment? I didn't get on with the consultant there at all (she had major issues with me buying a machine from the US rather than renting one) and would like to get some follow up as I have stopped using the cpap due to difficulties and feel i cannot go back.


    As you probably know by now, St. Vincent's is not the only option ..... but I can sympathize with you about the tactics used to make you buy from within their list of suppliers. I recently bought my new Resmed Airsense 10 online from an EU supplier (saving €300) and then tried to claim some of the cost back through the drugs payment scheme, only to be told the my supplier was not on their approved list.


    This smack's of a cosy cartel with no freedom of choice for the customer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    Having had my machine for 5 years now, I would have spent north of 5k on rental charges but I actually spent <€800 plus a few replacement bits.

    Its very weird alright and makes you wonder what else is being pushed on to patients which might not be in their best interest?


  • Registered Users Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Cushtie


    nibtrix wrote: »
    You could try the Resmed F30, it sits under your nose rather than across the bridge - https://www.resmed.com/en-us/sleep-apnea/cpap-parts-support/sleep-apnea-full-products-list/cpap-masks/airfit-f30/

    I haven't tried it myself. There are a lot of comparison videos on youtube, might be worth checking out...

    Thanks. I hadn't spotted that one. Looks like it might be the one to try.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭tnegun


    Having had my machine for 5 years now, I would have spent north of 5k on rental charges but I actually spent <€800 plus a few replacement bits.

    Its very weird alright and makes you wonder what else is being pushed on to patients which might not be in their best interest?


    Ouch that's a serious amount of money. I bought mine when I lost the medical card and had to rent. I was a public patient in Peamount and they actually thought it was great that I bought my own machine. The only issue I had was getting the readout the rental companies wouldn't read my card on the day as it wasn't one of their machines so I used to print out the report and bring it with me. I'd of thought going private meant you'd a bit more say?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Masala


    I bought out my Phillips but haven’t looked into where to buy their Masks. Any ideas of online suppliers


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  • Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭TheWonderLlama


    cpap.com is where I buy all my stuff. You have to get your doc to send in a form, but after that its easy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 ruairin


    Hi all, just thought I'd share my story on this great thread particularly for those who may suspect they might have sleep apnoea and are thinking about doing something about it. A little bit about me, I'm a 38 year old male with no significant health issues. I'm in decent shape, ex rugby player and do a fair bit of gym work so despite a fat % well within the acceptable range, I'm over a 100 kilos and at 6 feet tall this is probably on the heavy side. Definitely have a bigger neck that most people, getting a shirt that fits my neck but isn't way too big everywhere else is always an issue! I've also broken my nose several times and can't breathe clearly thought it. I don't drink a huge amount. So while the broken nose, being a bit heavy and a big neck might point towards a possibility sleep apnoea, hardly in the high risk category....or so I thought.

    I've always been a very heavy snorer, I've terrorized several ex girlfriends and my partner now has to sleep in a separate bedroom. One important note though, none of them ever observed me gasping for breath, though they did say that it would seem like I had stopped breathing for short periods. I also never wake up gasping for air or similar. Anyway over the last few years I've noticed that I felt progressively worse in the mornings, never feel like I'd had a good sleep and a lot of the time I would feel extremely anxious in the mornings. Sometimes even light headed but almost always generally just feeling like absolute crap. It also takes me ages to 'come to' in the mornings, at least an hour before I felt even somewhat alert. Despite all of the above though, I never ever doze during the day or take naps and never nod off watching TV etc.. For this reason I never considered I could have sleep apnoea, to me that was something for overweight people in their fifties who fall asleep driving to work. And I mean no offense by that comment I'm just trying to explain my thought process, and also my ignorance.

    Around January of this year I started getting severe heart palpitations and my anxiety went through the roof. I ended up going to the Beacon rapid access cardiology clinic (highly recommended) and after getting every test known to man, everything was normal. The consultant was sure exhaustion, stress and anxiety were the cause. I didn't feel tired, but he said I looked absolutely shattered!

    Long story short I ended up back with the GP and after trying and failing to get to the root of the stress and anxiety she suggested a sleep study (after we talked about how I feel most anxious in the morning) and referred me to St. Vincent's private. I got the appointment very quickly but to be honest I wasn't too impressed with the consultant, seemed very old school - he took my height and weight asked me a few questions then proceeded to rattle off a load of waffle about sleep apnoea that I had already read after a quick Google beforehand and that was about it. To be fair to him, the sleep study I'm sure is the only way to diagnose sleep apnea so not sure what I was expecting but I left feeling thoroughly unimpressed after paying €200 for a 10 minute consultation! Anyway, he referred me to have the polysomnography.

    After a very long wait (pandemic wouldn't have helped) of 6 months I went in to have the sleep study in mid August. I was still fairly skeptical that I had sleep apnoea (also I'd since done the epworth sleepiness quiz and not scored particularly high) so when they hooked me up to all the electrodes and machines etc. and told me to go to sleep I seriously considered walking out! Don't get me wrong, the staff were absolutely brilliant and the room was great, it was just I couldn't imagine sleeping a wink with all that gear in me! Thankfully I got over myself, accepted my fate, and surprise surprise I did in fact sleep. In so far as my body allows me to sleep as the results revealed.

    The results came back a week or so later and lo and behold I have been diagnosed with severe sleep apnea. I averaged 61 apnea / hypopnoea events per hour with a minimum oxygen desaturation of 78%. According to my doctor and supported by doing a bit of reading (and this thread!) those numbers firmly put me in the severe category.

    So despite all my skepticism and not really ticking a lot of the boxes I ended up with those results. And now with the benefit of hindsight after I got over the initial shock and I really thought about it, I have felt like crap for a long time. Anxiety, depression, no interest in doing things that I used to enjoy, demotivated, feeling physically ill a lot (but not actually ill), the list goes on....... All symptoms of exhaustion. And just because you don't fall asleep a lot doesn't mean you are not exhausted.

    So finally I would implore anyone who can relate to any of the above, go to your GP and get yourself tested!! Don't leave if for years like I did! I am going in early next week for the CPAP trial, no guarantees it will solve all of this and I know it takes getting used to but I am very optimistic life is about to get at least a bit better :)

    P.S I'll post my experiences about the CPAP trial if people are interested.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 ruairin


    Fathom wrote: »
    Interesting story ruairin. Keep us posted.

    See below.... :)

    Went to Vincents Private for the CPAP trial last Tuesday. Once again the night staff were excellent, my only criticism would be the bog standard hospital beds, surely investing in a more comfortable option would be more conducive to an easier nights sleep and therefore better results!?

    Anyway after being given a lot of info and making sure I was comfortable they put me on an APAP Resmed machine with a nasal mask. I had advised I had a lot of trouble breathing through my nose but they were adamant I avoid a full face unless really necessary. I found the mask to be very uncomfortable and I couldn't breathe properly and kept having to open my mouth which is unpleasant with the pressure going through your nose at the same time. Eventually it emerged the mask was a bit too small but unfortunately it was the only one they had. However after much adjustment and some nasal spray I was finally comfortable and managed to sleep for probably 2-3 hours.

    To be honest I didn't have any much issue with the pressure coming through the nose or exhaling (although this was with the EPR turned on, I can't imagine not using this feature)and if they had a larger mask I'd say I would have sailed through and slept most of the night. So quite positive for me after reading how difficult some find it, especially at the start.

    Next morning the consultant came by and advised that my AHI was down to 1 (from 61 on the night of the study!). Great result albeit only based on a few hours sleep. He said his staff would set me up with a rental and immediately started to leave, I kept asking questions but he literally backed out of the room, though he did tell me my prescription was for an APAP with a pressure between 4 and 15. I must say again I really do not like this consultant however at the end of the day I am in no doubt as to the quality of the sleep analysis and the staff who look after you on the night.

    His staff came in then and advised that I had to rent a machine from an approved supplier so sleep data could be exchanged with the consultant. I said I wanted to buy one and renting didn't make sense given that its about €100 a month and they basically said I can't. I didn't argue as I don't mind renting for a few months to make sure I like the machine and that the therapy is doing something for me before I invest. I went with the Philips Respironics with Humidifier from Air Liquide at total cost of €105 for month with a free mask.

    The very next day I got a call from Air Liquide and they had someone available the next day to come out with the machine (Thursday). The person that came was lovely and took their time explaining everything. They arrived with a Philips 'Wisp' nasal mask which thankfully had 4 different sizes so I was able to find a much more comfortable fit. These masks are a hell of a lot more comfortable in general than the ones in Vincent's.

    So night one, in my own bed and I found that I was still able to sleep in my preferred position which is on my stomach with my head turned to the side with no problems. It took me a good bit longer to get to sleep than normal as I kept having to adjust the mask to find the right balance between comfort and leaks. Once I got this right I was fine and only woke up once when the pressure had increased to 14.0 and the air was causing a burning sensation in my nostrils. I pressed the ramp button to lower the pressure and went back to sleep. I used the machine for 8 hours and AHI following morning was 2.5 with minor leakage.

    Night two I used the machine for 6 hours and again only woke once when the pressure was at 15 and again was causing a burning sensation in my nostrils, maybe this is because I use a nasal spray to clear congestion....does anyone else experience this? Also the bridge of nose was quite sore so I ended up removing the mask and sleeping for another hour or two without it. AHI was 1.3 and again minor leakage.

    I haven't really felt much better since I started using it but I definitely look less tired and its early days yet. Reading this thread I am encouraged my many saying that it takes a few weeks to feel better and that its a gradual process. Main thing is thankfully I am tolerating CPAP quite well and don't see myself having to quit any time soon.

    I'll post back again with an update when I have been using it for a few weeks.

    I am experiencing a good bit of irritation around the nose from the silicone, I wonder has anyone on here tried the memory foam masks from Resmed? Also if anyone has had the burning sensation at high pressure please let me know if you were able to resolve it!

    Cheers!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,419 ✭✭✭Field east


    See post no 519. I am still off the machine. I experienced the same soreness, dry mouth sometimes and other discomforts around the face. My machine had a moisturizer facility. I did two things while on the machine to address these experiences
    (1) I reduced the recommended pressure and
    (2) make sure that the face mask is not too tight


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 ruairin


    Field east wrote: »
    See post no 519. I am still off the machine. I experienced the same soreness, dry mouth sometimes and other discomforts around the face. My machine had a moisturizer facility. I did two things while on the machine to address these experiences
    (1) I reduced the recommended pressure and
    (2) make sure that the face mask is not too tight

    Thanks, have made progress with the mask adjustment and not too bad now. Just a matter of finding the right balance but it's a fine line....

    I'm reluctant to reduce pressure as it's an APAP machine so I assume its giving me what is required but I hope through a healthier lifestyle the pressure required will decrease significantly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 ruairin


    Fathom wrote: »
    Good info. Post back.

    Will do Fathom :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭tiny14


    Hi all really appreciate any help!! Was diagnosed with osa few months ago but really struggling with cpap machine but im sitting up in my sleep an can stay that way til my partner puts me lying down or i can wake myself and few months ago i used to getvup out of bed and end up falling and have hurt myself falling against locked and only came to after hitting locker!! Has anyone else experienced this type of behaviour with obstructive sleep apnea & many thanks in advance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Just stumbled across this thread as it was highlighted on the front page but I'm delighted to have found it.

    New gf has alerted to me to some bad snoring and anytime she has stayed with me she has had to go to the couch. So she made me download snorelab yesterday and the results were fairly damming. I snored for just under 3 hours out of the 7 and quite badly at that. The recordings were quite extreme peaks.

    A previous ex had alerted me to similar and I did nothing about it but now I'm thinking that it could well be a big part of low energy and feeling tired each day.

    I'm going to run the app for 2 weeks and maybe see a specialist at the end of reviewing the whole data set.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    I had an ahi of 105 when I got the machine, down to about 1-3 now most nights. But struggle with leakage into my eyes which leaves me too warm and with eye bags most mornings. It's a Phillips under the nose mask. Stuck with it at this stage


  • Registered Users Posts: 266 ✭✭beerguts


    Hi Guys I would like to get any advice from anyone that has bought their own machine. I'm currently on therapy since last September and to be honest it is only in the last 4 months that I have gotten used to it. I get 5-6 hours sleep with the Airsence 10 and AirFit F30 Full Face mask, 6 hours might not be a lot to some but to me it is a whole lot better than the 1-1 1/2 hours I was getting before therapy.

    Now I find that I don't get a whole lot for the €96 a month rental cost and when I was struggling to get used of it the assigned Nurse never even contacted me nor have I been called back for any review (Galway clinic). I feel as if this is just a a nice cozy cartel to milk the consumer. So here are some questions if anyone can help
    - For anyone who has purchases it outright where would you recommend as a good supplier?
    - Will I need approval from he consultant or a doctor to purchase one of these machines?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated


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  • Registered Users Posts: 197 ✭✭tiny14


    Fathom wrote: »
    We can talk about our personal experiences in this thread. And that may be helpful to other members. I've learned a lot here. But if you are having serious problems with your treatment, you should first consult with your medical specialist.

    Thanks for reply and new to this so was wondering had anyone else this experience with sleep apnea and will consult my gp


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Masala


    beerguts wrote: »
    Hi Guys I would like to get any advice from anyone that has bought their own machine. I'm currently on therapy since last September and to be honest it is only in the last 4 months that I have gotten used to it. I get 5-6 hours sleep with the Airsence 10 and AirFit F30 Full Face mask, 6 hours might not be a lot to some but to me it is a whole lot better than the 1-1 1/2 hours I was getting before therapy.

    Now I find that I don't get a whole lot for the €96 a month rental cost and when I was struggling to get used of it the assigned Nurse never even contacted me nor have I been called back for any review (Galway clinic). I feel as if this is just a a nice cozy cartel to milk the consumer. So here are some questions if anyone can help
    - For anyone who has purchases it outright where would you recommend as a good supplier?
    - Will I need approval from he consultant or a doctor to purchase one of these machines?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated



    I have bought my Phillips outright and am now finding it hard to get a mask on the internet. I have broken all ties with my original supplier as their service was useless and not willing to give any more business to them. There is a link above to www.cpap.commbut they done do my mask. So... befiore u throw in the towel.. try and scrounge a mask or two to keep u going. OR make sure that your supplier will sell you one and spares after leaving them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭LittleGarry


    beerguts wrote: »
    Hi Guys I would like to get any advice from anyone that has bought their own machine. I'm currently on therapy since last September and to be honest it is only in the last 4 months that I have gotten used to it. I get 5-6 hours sleep with the Airsence 10 and AirFit F30 Full Face mask, 6 hours might not be a lot to some but to me it is a whole lot better than the 1-1 1/2 hours I was getting before therapy.

    Now I find that I don't get a whole lot for the €96 a month rental cost and when I was struggling to get used of it the assigned Nurse never even contacted me nor have I been called back for any review (Galway clinic). I feel as if this is just a a nice cozy cartel to milk the consumer. So here are some questions if anyone can help
    - For anyone who has purchases it outright where would you recommend as a good supplier?
    - Will I need approval from he consultant or a doctor to purchase one of these machines?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated

    Have a look at my "story" posts from #269 to #276. It is now a couple of years on and I haven't looked back since - just ordered a new mask from the same company yesterday - excellent pricing and free delivery can't fault them. Just to clarify absolutely NO connection here simply sharing a positive experience.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,188 ✭✭✭Murt10


    beerguts wrote: »
    . I feel as if this is just a a nice cozy cartel to milk the consumer. So here are some questions if anyone can help
    - For anyone who has purchases it outright where would you recommend as a good supplier?
    - Will I need approval from he consultant or a doctor to purchase one of these machines?

    I bought mine outright years ago and haven't looked back. You don't need any permission from anyone regarding which brand of machine you chose. It's like choosing a ford or a toyota. They both do exactly the same thing - get you from here to there.

    CPAP machines are the same. They're basically just a high tech reverse vacuum cleaner. They all pump air up your nose at a particular pressure.

    I'm on the CPAP many years. Originally I was with one company and looked to buy the machine I had with them. It was roughly €1,100 as far as I remember. They were supposed to give me a new mask and filters every 6 months - Never happened. They'd only give them to me when I looked for them, thereby saving themselves a fortune.

    Anyway, despite the fact my machine was 3-4 years old at that stage, they tried to discourage me from buying it, when I inquired. They were looking to sell it to me for over 80% of the new price. Take it or leave it attitude. Obviously they didn't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

    I moved company several times. With the last company I told them I wanted to try the machine before buying it. I rented it for 2 months and they agreed to take the rental off the purchase price of the machine. It was a winner for them as I still buy my masks and filters (every 18-24 months) off them

    Don't forget that the cost of the machine is also tax deductible saving you 20% off the cost. At the end of year one your'e in clover. You've paid once for the machine and it will last you a good many years. You don't have to keep going through the ritual of claiming money for the machine under the refund of drugs scheme, and feel that you're being used as a pawn, helping to bankrupt the health service.

    As an aside, when I bought my machine, my family was paying €135 pm to the Chemist, under the Drugs Payment Scheme, for all our drugs, and the state paid the excess. Imagine my surprise when I was on holidays in Spain one year and brought the family prescriptions to the local pharmacist over there.

    I was only looking to see how much they'd cost, but the assistant got them off the shelves. Imagine my surprise when she put them through the register and a months supply came to a total of €40. I rang the wife and asked her whether I should take them or not. Her reply was instant. Will they give you 6 months? I asked and got them no problem. And I've been buying my medication in Spain ever since.

    I asked my Dr. about it, as I was worried as to whether I would be getting the genuine article or not. He reassured me that if I was buying them in a physical chemists shop, rather than over the net, I has nothing to worry about. He said that there was as much chance of me getting knock off drugs in an Irish chemists as there was in a Spanish one. He even wrote out the prescription using generic names.

    Anyway, the point of the story is that the money I saved of the medicines, paid for the purchase of the machine in a year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭GadgetGeek


    beerguts wrote: »
    Hi Guys I would like to get any advice from anyone that has bought their own machine. I'm currently on therapy since last September and to be honest it is only in the last 4 months that I have gotten used to it. I get 5-6 hours sleep with the Airsence 10 and AirFit F30 Full Face mask, 6 hours might not be a lot to some but to me it is a whole lot better than the 1-1 1/2 hours I was getting before therapy.

    Now I find that I don't get a whole lot for the €96 a month rental cost and when I was struggling to get used of it the assigned Nurse never even contacted me nor have I been called back for any review (Galway clinic). I feel as if this is just a a nice cozy cartel to milk the consumer. So here are some questions if anyone can help
    - For anyone who has purchases it outright where would you recommend as a good supplier?
    - Will I need approval from he consultant or a doctor to purchase one of these machines?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated


    Have a look at my previous post #350 cheapest solution I could find. No issue with delivery.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭Boulevardier


    I am a bit worried about one possibility.

    I wear my mask quite tight to minimise air leaks, but I have noticed that if the machine is off I have no air to breathe.

    If there was a power cut during the night, is it not possible that I would asphyxiate?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭nibtrix


    I am a bit worried about one possibility.

    I wear my mask quite tight to minimise air leaks, but I have noticed that if the machine is off I have no air to breathe.

    If there was a power cut during the night, is it not possible that I would asphyxiate?


    CPAP or APAP machines for home use should always use vented masks to ensure that you can breathe when they are turned off i.e. they have a vent or small holes that allows an intake of air. It may be a little harder to breathe than usual as you are pulling air through a small opening, but it shouldn't close off your air supply completely.

    Non-vented full-face masks are only for use with ventilators that have an active exhalation valve, and alarms and safety system for device failure.

    What mask do you use Boulevardier?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5 OscarMonster


    While renting Resmed Airsense 10 CPAP device, PEI offer myPatientSpace app.

    If you buy, you dont have access to this and the Resmed App (myAir™ for Air10™ by ResMed) is not available in Ireland(!), so only option is to use resmed website.

    Wondering if anyone has experience where they bought the machine and if the website (instead of the app) is useful?
    Thanks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭nibtrix


    While renting Resmed Airsense 10 CPAP device, PEI offer myPatientSpace app.

    If you buy, you dont have access to this and the Resmed App (myAir™ for Air10™ by ResMed) is not available in Ireland(!), so only option is to use resmed website.

    Wondering if anyone has experience where they bought the machine and if the website (instead of the app) is useful?
    Thanks.

    You should be able to remove the SD card from the machine, plug into your laptop or desktop (provided you have an SD slot or card reader) and access the data using a non-Resmed app - I've seen Sleepyhead recommended on various sites.
    It's not as quick and easy as checking on the app, but you will get far, far more data. The myPatientSpace app shows the absolute minimum of data, not to mention that it only shows the last 20 days so you can't even look back to compare to previous results.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 OscarMonster


    nibtrix wrote: »
    You should be able to remove the SD card from the machine, plug into your laptop or desktop (provided you have an SD slot or card reader) and access the data using a non-Resmed app - I've seen Sleepyhead recommended on various sites.
    It's not as quick and easy as checking on the app, but you will get far, far more data. The myPatientSpace app shows the absolute minimum of data, not to mention that it only shows the last 20 days so you can't even look back to compare to previous results.
    Thanks nibtrix. Yes - I've seen Oscar seems to be its successor (since Sleepyhead was discontinued). I liked what I saw with the Resmed app, and thought an app would be a lot easier that removing the SD card each day. At least could pinpoint an issue like leaking mask (or whatever might come up) easily on phone.

    Given the single distributor, then I guess this makes sense, if they are using their own app (incentive to keep on their rental). Thanks.


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