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Irish Rail's Punctuality Stats

  • 02-12-2018 11:19pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    Significant decline on Intercity routes at Heuston and surprisingly improvements on DART/Commuter services during this low rail adhesion period and the new timetable.

    DART punchallity since the new timetable has been 90% of above, the first time in 12 months such a figure was achieved.

    More worryingly Dublin-Cork only managed a 66.8% OTP in October, a new record low I suspect and that's with 10 minute window + timetable padding so with typically 15 minutes to spare and they manage 66% where no lower than 90% is the target.

    THey should face financial penalties for such an abysmal performance and questioned over what steps they will take to address low rail adhesion across the network and not just in Dublin because unlike before it hadn't a major impact over at Heuston until the last 2-3 years.

    Full stats:
    http://www.irishrail.ie/about-us/train-punctuality-reliability-performance#waterford


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭thomasj


    How is it possible that Maynooth had better punctuality figure than it did for reliability in the 3rd period


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    thomasj wrote: »
    How is it possible that Maynooth had better punctuality figure than it did for reliability in the 3rd period

    Reliability is the train running the full route and not been cancelled/terminated en route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Reliability is the train running the full route and not been cancelled/terminated en route.

    Yeah but according to march figures

    Period 03
    Dates Feb 27 to Mar 26
    Punctuality 96.1%
    Reliability 93.31%

    How could it have 96% punctuality when it only had 93% reliability ?

    Edit : ah so you mean the train could have left but not finished the journey resulting in the crazy difference in the figures.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,462 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    thomasj wrote: »
    Yeah but according to march figures

    Period 03
    Dates Feb 27 to Mar 26
    Punctuality 96.1%
    Reliability 93.31%

    How could it have 96% punctuality when it only had 93% reliability ?

    Edit : ah so you mean the train could have left but not finished the journey resulting in the crazy difference in the figures.

    I would assume it means of 100 trains, 93 of them actual ran. Of that 93, 96.1% were on time


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    When people stop stepping out in front of a train I'm sure their times will improve!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    Any train from Heuston to Kerry or Cork always seems to be 10 minutes late.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    When people stop stepping out in front of a train I'm sure their times will improve!

    I find this post highly offensive.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,423 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    I find this post highly offensive.

    It's a little insensitive, for sure. But he's not wrong, Tragic incidents have a detrimental effect on those statistics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    It's a little insensitive, for sure. But he's not wrong, Tragic incidents have a detrimental effect on those statistics.

    No, it’s highly offensive.
    Tragic incidents have a negligible impact on those statistics.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭theguzman


    There have been several incidents this year where the entire days schedules was highly disrupted because of Suicide on the tracks. It is an ongoing problem which greatly inconveniences the travelling public and must wreak trauma on the Drivers involved. It is not offensive to criticise those who choose to end their lives on the Railway.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    These incidents have a minimal impact on performance, likely 0.5%-1% at most.

    OTP at Heuston has been on a continual decline and nothing is been down about it. Continued refusal to address timetable issues is part of the problem. All the changes made since 2013 are just a sticking plaster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    No, it’s highly offensive.
    Tragic incidents have a negligible impact on those statistics.

    And you I suppose compile the statistics for Irish Rail?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    theguzman wrote: »
    There have been several incidents this year where the entire days schedules was highly disrupted because of Suicide on the tracks. It is an ongoing problem which greatly inconveniences the travelling public and must wreak trauma on the Drivers involved. It is not offensive to criticise those who choose to end their lives on the Railway.

    Yes it is.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    And you I suppose compile the statistics for Irish Rail?

    Well you can take my word for it, or not. Don’t really care one way or another.
    That ok with you?

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Jem72


    A lot of the statistics are framed in such a way that makes life a lot easier for Irish Rail. When they only refer to arrival time at the end of the journey, it's always possible to pad timetables to make it look better. On Sligo, a significant majority of passengers are going no further than Longford. Yet it is a fairly rare event to have an evening down train make it to Longford less than 10 minutes late.

    The other area where the stats flatter Irish Rail is where you have a situation with 80% on-time performance of trains, you could quite easily have only 60% of passengers on-time since it is invariably the busier trains that get delayed. This is how we get to see an amazing 90% on-time for DART during October yet there endemic delays at rush hour with many passengers having to let 2 or 3 trains pass before they got on. Does anybody honestly believe that 90% of DART passengers were less than 5 minutes late in October.

    You can make statistics tell whatever story you want.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Jem72 wrote: »
    A lot of the statistics are framed in such a way that makes life a lot easier for Irish Rail. When they only refer to arrival time at the end of the journey, it's always possible to pad timetables to make it look better. On Sligo, a significant majority of passengers are going no further than Longford. Yet it is a fairly rare event to have an evening down train make it to Longford less than 10 minutes late.

    The other area where the stats flatter Irish Rail is where you have a situation with 80% on-time performance of trains, you could quite easily have only 60% of passengers on-time since it is invariably the busier trains that get delayed. This is how we get to see an amazing 90% on-time for DART during October yet there endemic delays at rush hour with many passengers having to let 2 or 3 trains pass before they got on. Does anybody honestly believe that 90% of DART passengers were less than 5 minutes late in October.

    You can make statistics tell whatever story you want.

    Spot on. Since the last timetable change my train has been on time only once, yes, just once. The punctuality for the lie is 90+%.
    Go figure.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Ray Bloody Purchase


    Do Irish Rail get any penalties from the NTA over lateness?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Do Irish Rail get any penalties from the NTA over lateness?

    Would you expect a train to pull away if it was still loading passengers?

    A few minutes here and there is hardly going to change your world!
    Get an earlier train if it makes that much of a difference!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Do Irish Rail get any penalties from the NTA over lateness?

    Yes they do.
    Not sure of the exact details.

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Would you expect a train to pull away if it was still loading passengers?

    A few minutes here and there is hardly going to change your world!
    Get an earlier train if it makes that much of a difference!
    Would it not be simpler for IR to make a timetable that they knew they could keep to?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Would it not be simpler for IR to make a timetable that they knew they could keep to?

    Timetables seem to be aspirational not factual:pac::pac:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Would it not be simpler for IR to make a timetable that they knew they could keep to?

    Of course but this is the public you are dealing with in boarding trains.
    It's not London where there is probably a train every 20 min or less.
    Here we might have greater gaps between train departures so the
    emphasis is on getting those people on board to a cost of a few minutes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    Timetables seem to be aspirational not factual:pac::pac:


    It's the Irish way of doing things!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,654 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    The new Director of Operations will demand a new schedule is prepared if they are in anyway serious about the role they intend to take.

    Some schedules are no way realistic and they refuse to listen to feedback pointing our errors and spend a few weeks trying to make it work and might eventually bow to pressure and change.


  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Jem72


    A few minutes here and there is hardly going to change your world!

    This is true for the occasional user - since I gave up daily commuting, I'm rarely all that stressed about a 10 or 20 minute delay. The problem is when your train is 10 minutes late every single day. When I was commuting my usual delays ended up about 15 minutes per day - 5 in the morning and 10 in the evening with an hour long delay once a month or so.

    That totalled up to most of a day's work every month which is far from insignificant. The other major issue was that when I started commuting 15 years ago, the evening train leaving at 6 used to take and hour and 20 minutes to get from Connolly to Edgeworthstown. Nowadays the evening trains are all scheduled at about an hour and 40 minutes and they are usually 10 minutes delayed on top of it. This is more than enough to put a marginally workable commute over the threshold into something that just can't be managed.




  • Would you expect a train to pull away if it was still loading passengers?

    A few minutes here and there is hardly going to change your world!
    Get an earlier train if it makes that much of a difference!

    The Japanese, Germans, Swiss etc can all manage it and that's with millions of passengers daily


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    The Japanese, Germans, Swiss etc can all manage it and that's with millions of passengers daily

    A total different mentality in those countries to be fair!


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 38,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    A total different mentality in those countries to be fair!
    So trains here are frequently late because of a mentality?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 689 ✭✭✭Ray Bloody Purchase


    Would you expect a train to pull away if it was still loading passengers?

    A few minutes here and there is hardly going to change your world!
    Get an earlier train if it makes that much of a difference!

    Ehhh, what? I was asking if they got penalties. :confused:


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,925 ✭✭✭GM228


    Do Irish Rail get any penalties from the NTA over lateness?

    Depends, there are performance based payments as part of the PSO compensation, however they only require minimum standards to be met, for example DART and Commuter requires between 87% and 92% punctuality depending on time of day, Intercity requires 90%. 99% of all trains (nationally) should run and 98% of kilometres should be covered.

    Anything affecting the minimums caused by or related to force majour is not held against IE and so delays caused by suicide, bridge strike, abnormal weather, infrastructure damage etc does not incure a penalty to them.


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