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Orangutans make and use medicine

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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5259125/Orang-utans-use-medicinal-plants-create-ointment.html

    Great apes have been observed chewing plants to make an ointment to treat their aching limbs.

    Isn't this just proof that the only difference between animals and humans is that our brains are in most cases simply further developed than animals brains and that this planet we live in was not specifically designed for us, not that I think it was designed at all.

    No.


  • #3
    Stheno
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5259125/Orang-utans-use-medicinal-plants-create-ointment.html

    Great apes have been observed chewing plants to make an ointment to treat their aching limbs.

    Isn't this just proof that the only difference between animals and humans is that our brains are in most cases simply further developed than animals brains and that this planet we live in was not specifically designed for us, not that I think it was designed at all.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/bonobos-join-chimps-closest-human-relatives

    Bonobos and chimps share 99% of human DNA they lack some higher features but this report doesn't surprise me


  • #4
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    We share over half our genes with the Fruit Fly.

    The-Fly-Promo-2.gif?resize=450%2C248&ssl=1


  • #5
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,617 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I honestly believe that if you sent an orangutan or chimp through the education system they would come out smarter than some of the people I went to school with


  • #6
    AllForIt
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    Stheno wrote: »
    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2012/06/bonobos-join-chimps-closest-human-relatives

    Bonobos and chimps share 99% of human DNA they lack some higher features but this report doesn't surprise me

    I didn't know that but I'm sure to your average believer that would all be irrelevant because all it would prove is that the raw material we are made up of is largely the same.

    What I think the report shows is that the difference between animals and humans is much smaller than some would think in terms of mental abilities, emotions etc... thus making a very good case against the idea that this planet was designed specifially for us.


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  • #7
    Oranage2
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    Shouldn't we wipe out all the other intelligent animals so they don't try to out-compete us or try to kill us all off.


  • #8
    AllForIt
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    I honestly believe that if you sent an orangutan or chimp through the education system they would come out smarter than some of the people I went to school with

    Is that a comment on the education system or the ppl who engage in it?


  • #9
    IvySlayer
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    Elephant, lizards, giraffe, buffalo and other antelope have been observed eating specific plants to self medicate. Not just primates.

    Honeyguides have learned to lead humans to bees nests to feed on the leftovers

    Animals are amazing


  • #10
    Rory28
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Shouldn't we wipe out all the other intelligent animals so they don't try to out-compete us or try to kill us all off.

    Yes. Yes we should. Start with he ants tho. They have the numbers and are quite gross.


  • #11
    AllForIt
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Shouldn't we wipe out all the other intelligent animals so they don't try to out-compete us or try to kill us all off.

    What do you mean like assassinate president Trump?


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  • #12
    AllForIt
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    IvySlayer wrote: »
    Elephant, lizards, giraffe, buffalo and other antelope have been observed eating specific plants to self medicate. Not just primates.

    So this is old news? How embarrassing.


  • #13
    Will I Am Not
    Registered Users Posts: 3,495 ✭✭✭Will I Am Not


    AllForIt wrote: »
    What do you mean like assassinate president Trump?

    He said intelligent...


  • #14
    Ipso
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    What do you mean like assassinate president Trump?

    Yes, its ok to joke about that. But if someone says to assassinate Obama or Hillary, then they're alt-right.


  • #15
    AllForIt
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Yes, its ok to joke about that. But if someone says to assassinate Obama or Hillary, then they're alt-right.

    Orangutan for president.


  • #16
    banie01
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    Orangutan for president.

    Weirdly was a 2000a.d/Judge Dredd storyline aling those lunes!
    Dave the Orang Utan.


  • #17
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,265 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    banie01 wrote: »
    Weirdly was a 2000a.d/Judge Dredd storyline aling those lunes!
    Dave the Orang Utan.

    I'm on to something.


  • #18
    riffmongous
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Yes, its ok to joke about that. But if someone says to assassinate Obama or Hillary, then they're alt-right.

    I'm just glad no one said Obama, considering the H&M thread


  • #19
    AllForIt
    Registered Users Posts: 8,265 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    riffmongous wrote: »
    I'm just glad no one said Obama, considering the H&M thread

    Monkes not so stupid after all, maybe even a compliment in some cases.


  • #20
    Fizzlesque
    Registered Users Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Fizzlesque


    AllForIt wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5259125/Orang-utans-use-medicinal-plants-create-ointment.html

    Great apes have been observed chewing plants to make an ointment to treat their aching limbs.

    Isn't this just proof that the only difference between animals and humans is that our brains are in most cases simply further developed than animals brains and that this planet we live in was not specifically designed for us, not that I think it was designed at all.

    I think this possibly shows that animals still know stuff that we used to know before we became disconnected from nature. And before making money became bigger (in some minds) than working with nature and accepting its offerings as a way to make our lives better/healthier.

    I don't think it was designed for us at all. One look at our dirty plastic deposits in the sea tells me that we are the blight the planet could most do without.


  • #21
    riffmongous
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    Monkes not so stupid after all, maybe even a compliment.

    Well I'd say monkeys are smarter than the people who made those sort of comments about Obama and his family


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  • #22
    Junkyard Tom
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    The great thing about animals is that you can eat them for your dinner.


  • #23
    AllForIt
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    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    The great thing about animals is that you can eat them for your dinner.

    I'm sure your tasty too.



  • #24
    donegaLroad
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    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Shouldn't we wipe out all the other intelligent animals so they don't try to out-compete us or try to kill us all off.

    If it ever gets to a stage where a robot can build another robot which is more intelligent than itself, then it would be a time to start re-assessing how for mankind should continue to advance technology.


  • #25
    mr_edge_to_you
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    Before you know it there will be Orangutans on Facebook giving out about Orangutan pharma companies and their conspiracy tactics.

    They’ll also be campaigning against modern day vaccination programs in baby Orangutans.


  • #26
    daveyeh
    Registered Users Posts: 774 ✭✭✭daveyeh


    They'll be refining the poppy next Joe. Where'll we be then? It's a bloody disgrace is what it is.


  • #27
    Fox_In_Socks
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    It’s an amazing thing to read alright. Is this passed along through their culture or is it something that is done instinctively?

    As regards there being little difference between us and other animals...not true. Our ability to use abstractions and plan and be self aware puts us in almost alien territory

    And those that say that we are a blight on the planet? Sure we are in
    a way. But we have the ability to see our mistakes and fix them.

    Don’t forget that we are in a fight with nature all of the time. We’re going to loose when we die.


  • #28
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Didn't orangutan cause HIV?


  • #29
    Billy86
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    AllForIt wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5259125/Orang-utans-use-medicinal-plants-create-ointment.html

    Great apes have been observed chewing plants to make an ointment to treat their aching limbs.

    Isn't this just proof that the only difference between animals and humans is that our brains are in most cases simply further developed than animals brains and that this planet we live in was not specifically designed for us, not that I think it was designed at all.

    I read a few months ago about an experiment ran on a type of bird (it may have been a crows? It was a fairly common one) where they were testing problem solving skills by giving them a puzzle. The bird was smart enough to use a small stick they were given to unlock a second stick, then use that second stick to unlock the prize - I thought that was pretty remarkable.

    Took a check there, and either I misremembered the test they ran or I was a bit off on what it was, but it was Hawaiian and New Caledonian crows.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37354588
    That task consisted of logs with holes and crevices that were baited with food that was just out of a bill's reach.

    "They were able to pick up sticks from the aviary," said Dr Rutz, "and of all the birds we tested, 93% used [the sticks as] tools. This suggests this is a species-wide skill.

    "They were incredibly dextrous in the way that they handled the sticks, shortened them when they were too long, and discarded them if they were not happy with them."


  • #30
    Your Face
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Didn't orangutan cause HIV?

    And now they're looking to find a cure.


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  • #31
    biko
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    Coolest monkey in the jungle


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