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As TF noted earlier Citizen, Seiko and Sea-Gull are "inhouse" and have been forever. I could add the French LIP and Mortima to the list. Mortima, the now defunct purveyor of very cheap and cheerful watches were more inhouse than any Swiss. they made everything in the factory, dials, cases, hands etc, even their own straps, jewels and springbars. And haute couture watchmaking they were not.
American brands were far more inhouse, when they were still around. Of the Swiss brands? Well the Swiss had always outsourced from the early days. Initially with handmade parts and then when industrialisation came along(nicked from the Americans) they continued that parts bin trend. Well it worked and worked very well.
When the wristwatch came along the Swiss brands would buy cases from company A, very often movements from company B, dials from company C and so on. Rolex were the king of this. In the early days they weren't a manufacturer at all, more like a parts assembly house/wholesaler. A rare few like Zenith, IWC(who were more known as movement makers until the 40's) and Longines were movement wise fully inhouse until the late 60's. Few enough of any of the rest were.
People originally bought watches depending on the retailer, often by the jewel count, then came the brand name(again an American import notion, Rolex being the pioneer of that in the rest of the anglosphere), the movements or where they originated would have barely been in the mix for 99% of customers.
Now I do get why it's a wish/concern for buyers today, but it's quite the more recent concern.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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As TF noted earlier Citizen, Seiko and Sea-Gull are "inhouse" and have been forever. I could add the French LIP and Mortima to the list. Mortima, the now defunct purveyor of very cheap and cheerful watches were more inhouse than any Swiss. they made everything in the factory, dials, cases, hands etc, even their own straps, jewels and springbars. And haute couture watchmaking they were not. American brands were far more inhouse, when they were still around. Of the Swiss brands? Well the Swiss had always outsourced from the early days. Initially with handmade parts and then when industrialisation came along(nicked from the Americans) they continued that parts bin trend. Well it worked and worked very well.
When the wristwatch came along the Swiss brands would buy cases from company A, very often movements from company B, dials from company C and so on. Rolex were the king of this. In the early days they weren't a manufacturer at all, more like a parts assembly house/wholesaler. A rare few like Zenith, IWC(who were more known as movement makers until the 40's) and Longines were movement wise fully inhouse until the late 60's. Few enough of any of the rest were.
People originally bought watches depending on the retailer, often by the jewel count, then came the brand name(again an American import notion, Rolex being the pioneer of that in the rest of the anglosphere), the movements or where they originated would have barely been in the mix for 99% of customers.
Now I do get why it's a wish/concern for buyers today, but it's quite the more recent concern.
We should add Vostok to the list of "inhouse manufacturers" too :pac:-1 -
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I intend over the next 3 (maybe 4) years to move from the Steinhart above to the Omega below.
The only problem at the minute is trying to figure out what the in between watches will be. There aren't any watches in the €2k & €5k bracket that I can say I would like that much.
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My list is all over the place but here it is warts and all.
Casio G Shock metal
Zenith El Primero Chronomaster 410z movement
Rolex GMT-Master II 16713, faded aluminum bezel and chocolate dial ideally on a jubilee if possible
Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso Duoface Tribute Duoface Calendar 3918420
A. Lange & Söhne Grand Lange 1
and for some reason I am really liking the retro Omega Seamaster 300 heritage in black
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