A/R TT....Round 2 - 1 mile TT, Saturday May 30th * please read post #1 *

pconn062 · 05-05-2020 10:31am

Great to see a mile TT. In my opinion an out and back course won't work for a mile, the loss of momentum at that speed will be very hard to recover from. So start trying to find a mile loop or a straight, flat bit of road.

Thanks for organising.

py · 05-05-2020 10:37am

I grabbed the table that Murph_D had for the last TT. Feel free to edit/adjust/delete.

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|M35|6:30||||

shotgunmcos · 05-05-2020 10:39am

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|F35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||

Used last TT to base. My PB is 5:59

healy1835 · 05-05-2020 10:40am

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Just a sidenote, AMK is allowed as many attempts as he likes and we'll pick the best one. Healy's sub four minute mile on his Lidl loop doesnt count..............

The Lidl loop is the legit one! It's the industrial estate where the magic happens

ReeReeG · 05-05-2020 10:57am

skyblue46 wrote:

Course options are strictly to be Out and Back or a mile loop. No smaller loops allowed. A straight mile is ok if there is no net elevation loss. If you need to do either a small bit more or less than a loop to complete the mile there cannot be net elevation loss.

Ah bugger... I liked my little 400m loop

MisterJinx · 05-05-2020 11:05am

ReeReeG wrote: »

Ah bugger... I liked my little 400m loop

I'd found a nice little 0.54K track to use, perfect for 3 laps, wasn't flat but had no traffic and a lane marked out :-(

Back to scouting out the roads and parks so......

crisco10 · 05-05-2020 11:13am

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|F35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||

also used my 5km from last TT as predictor. Have never run a mile TT before so have no idea how realistic that is.

Just out of interest, why no multiloop routes? Clearly I'm happy to go along with it, but just curious.

OOnegative · 05-05-2020 11:18am

crisco10 wrote: »

Just out of interest, why no multiloop routes? Clearly I'm happy to go along with it, but just curious.

GPS can be very sketchy running loops over such a short distance, so what measures 1 mile on your watch could well be a lot shorter running a looped route.

mister paul · 05-05-2020 11:23am

py wrote: »

I grabbed the table that Murph_D had for the last TT. Feel free to edit/adjust/delete.

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|F35|6:30||||

Did I miss something? The organisers may need to consult with Athletics Ireland.

DeepBlue · 05-05-2020 11:30am

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|F35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||
DeepBlue|M45|6:16||||

/heads off to google 1 mile training plans. That one Itziger posted from that Daniel Jacks fella seems every so slightly sketchy........ :eek:

py · 05-05-2020 11:31am

Er, fixed. I actually identify as a 2nd place sandbagger.

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|M35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||
DeepBlue|M45|6:16||||

dna_leri · 05-05-2020 11:31am

Was hoping downhill routes would be allowed, had picked out a good possible one and did a mini TT, but struggled.
Will go back to the drawing board now and try to find a flatish one - too many hills even in the 5K zone
I got under 5 mins on Griffith Avenue last year but that was downhill and a lifetime ago.
5:20 would be a good target now, no prediction until I find the route

MY BAD · 05-05-2020 11:54am

pconn062 wrote: »

Great to see a mile TT. In my opinion an out and back course won't work for a mile, the loss of momentum at that speed will be very hard to recover from. So start trying to find a mile loop or a straight, flat bit of road.

Thanks for organising.

Theres hardly a app or website for searching for a flat mile around? It's going to be difficult to find a flat mile within 5km where I live. Maybe I could do a down hill start and up hill finish but I don't think you ever gain in the down hill compared to what loose in the up hill.

coogy · 05-05-2020 12:15pm

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|M35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||
DeepBlue|M45|6:16||||
coogy|M45|5:30||||

Murph_D · 05-05-2020 12:19pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

Course options are strictly to be Out and Back or a mile loop. No smaller loops allowed. A straight mile is ok if there is no net elevation loss. If you need to do either a small bit more or less than a loop to complete the mile there cannot be net elevation loss.

What about an out and back that involves a return around a roundabout or another shortish piece of looped road/path that then returns you the original road where you return to the start? In other words an out and back that avoids a 180 turn by using a short loop?

skyblue46 · 05-05-2020 12:25pm

Murph_D wrote: »

What about an out and back that involves a return around a roundabout or another shortish piece of looped road/path that then returns you the original road where you return to the start? In other words an out and back that avoids a 180 turn by using a short loop?

Yeah D, a roundabout or similar would be grand....not much more than that as a "small loop" is a bit ambiguous. I hope ye understand it's just a case of drawing a line in the sand and not having to assess the suitability of everyone's chosen route.

Dubh Geannain · 05-05-2020 12:41pm

Time predictor based on my recent 5 km says a mile time of 5:22 but has to be 4:59 :pac:

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|M35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||
DeepBlue|M45|6:16||||
coogy|M45|5:30||||
Dubh G|M35|4:59||||

Should be easy to find a net 0 elevation gain point to point at the very least around here but I'll see about getting a loop or out and back first.

scotindublin · 05-05-2020 12:41pm

Great stuff lads......no just to find a flat loop to do this on. Had considered a few options previously but these would have resulted in instant bans due to a slight elevation lose.

Thinking an out and back may be my best option.

deconduo · 05-05-2020 12:47pm

Should be able to have a crack at this at the end of the month - fingers crossed.

I've never raced a mile so no idea what my time will be, just over 7 minutes seems to be what the calculators are suggesting.

Murph_D · 05-05-2020 1:33pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

Yeah D, a roundabout or similar would be grand....not much more than that as a "small loop" is a bit ambiguous. I hope ye understand it's just a case of drawing a line in the sand and not having to assess the suitability of everyone's chosen route.

A small loop is more likely to be under-measured by the Garmin than over-measured. In other words the route is more likely to be long than short.

AuldManKing · 05-05-2020 1:38pm

Stravas 'Create New route' function is useful to find such mythical zero elevation places.

skyblue46 · 05-05-2020 2:02pm

AuldManKing wrote: »

Stravas 'Create New route' function is useful to find such mythical zero elevation places.

Yep it's very easy...plot a mile lap that returns you to within a stone's throw of where you started. It might have elevation but no net elevation.

skyblue46 · 05-05-2020 2:05pm

Murph_D wrote: »

A small loop is more likely to be under-measured by the Garmin than over-measured. In other words the route is more likely to be long than short.

May be correct, may measure long, may measure short. We could start a thread on that elsewhere :pac:

This TT will not be having the rules changed as we go along

Treviso · 05-05-2020 2:18pm

Thanks guys for organising this event for us. There'll be a lot of playful moans about the rules but we do appreciate the effort it will take to get this done.

Now off to find 1 mile of true level

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1zBtJhgwBI

tbukela · 05-05-2020 2:19pm

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|M35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||
DeepBlue|M45|6:16||||
coogy|M45|5:30||||
Dubh G|M35|4:59||||
tbukela|M35|6:05||||

I missed out on the fun of the 5K so looking forward to this.

OOnegative · 05-05-2020 2:20pm

skyblue46 wrote: »

This TT will not be having the rules changed as we go along

I gave the punters what they wanted....... Your like Pol Pot with all these rules & regulations!!!

TFBubendorfer · 05-05-2020 2:26pm

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|M35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||
DeepBlue|M45|6:16||||
coogy|M45|5:30||||
Dubh G|M35|4:59||||
tbukela|M35|6:05||||
TFBubendorfer|M50|5:59||||

Ah balls, I already had my beady eyes on that lovely downhill road from Enniskerry. Stupid rules!

skyblue46 wrote: »

This TT will not be having the rules changed as we go along

Now THAT is totally uncalled-for! :eek:

MY BAD · 05-05-2020 2:31pm

4:59

F**k it. All in.

skyblue46 · 05-05-2020 2:31pm

OOnegative wrote: »

I gave the punters what they wanted....... Your like Pol Pot with all these rules & regulations!!!

Pol Pot is only in the ha'penny place ::pac:

MisterJinx · 05-05-2020 2:44pm

Name |Cat |Prediction|Actual|AG|Adjusted|Sandbag Factor
py|M35|6:30||||
shotgunmcos|M40|5:45||||
Crisco10|M|5:30||||
DeepBlue|M45|6:16||||
coogy|M45|5:30||||
Dubh G|M35|4:59||||
tbukela|M35|6:05||||
MisterJinx|M40|5:30||||
TFBubendorfer|M50|5:59||||

I'm in. In order to retain my 3rd place for Sandbagging i'll need to do very well.

A/R TT....Round 2 - 1 mile TT, Saturday May 30th *** please read post #1 ***

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A/R TT....Round 2 - 1 mile TT, Saturday May 30th * please read post #1 *