The 'what have some travellers somewhere done this time? thread

end of the road wrote: »

it's not what they always say. from anyof their press releases and other corispondants with the media, the only time they say something is someone else's fault is when it actually is, for example when they talk about things such as discrimination against travelers.
They never talk about the crimes they commit against the settled comm7nity and the elderly in particular.


well yes, unfortunately travelers still remain to be the victims of discrimination and bigotry.

Travellers cause themselves to be discriminated against by their uncivilized actions and crime.

how so? they are a group that raise traveler specific issues and lobby to insure traveler's rights are upheld. not sure how that is being an apologist?

Travellers rights are upheld better than settled people’s rights. Pavee Point make sure of that alright. They totally refuse to comment on Travellers beating their wives, failing to send their kids to school, calling out videos, fighting among themselves and disrupting funerals and indeed entire towns.

in what way are they useless? they seem to be standing up for traveler's rights and lobbying quite well. so from what i can see at least they are far from useless given they do exactly what they were set up to do.

They are letting down Travellers kids by neglecting to comment on lack of school attendance, wife beating and general bad manners by Travellers. They make their criminal ways seem like the norm. It’s not.

tayto lover wrote: »

They never talk about the crimes they commit against the settled comm7nity and the elderly in particular.

it's not in their remit to be fair. also there really isn't anything more they can publically bring to the table on that issue.

tayto lover wrote: »

Travellers cause themselves to be discriminated against by their uncivilized actions and crime.

those facing discrimination are never responsible for that discrimination. those who carry out the discrimination are the only ones responsible for it happening. whatever acts that are being committed by a group are separate to the discrimination that group may face.

tayto lover wrote: »

Travellers rights are upheld better than settled people’s rights. Pavee Point make sure of that alright.

pavee point insure traveler's rights are upheld yes, that is their remit. i wouldn't expect them to do anything less. but travelers do not have more rights then the rest of us.

tayto lover wrote: »

They totally refuse to comment on Travellers beating their wives, failing to send their kids to school, calling out videos, fighting among themselves and disrupting funerals and indeed entire towns.

if they were to publically comment on issues such as the above, it's quite likely that they wouldn't win because people would still complain that they didn't make their point in a certain way or didn't say certain things that they wanted to hear. so it's better if pavee point simply stick to lobbying rather then commenting on actions. there are enough people to go around to comment on these issues anyway.

tayto lover wrote: »

They are letting down Travellers kids by neglecting to comment on lack of school attendance, wife beating and general bad manners by Travellers. They make their criminal ways seem like the norm. It’s not.

not publically commenting on these issues is not letting traveler's kids down, given that there are processes and laws in place to deal with lack of school attendence as well as all of the other issues. anyone can inform the authorities if they believe a breach of the law is or has taken place, it's not pavee point's fault that people won't use the processes available if they are genuinely concerned about these issues happening within the traveling community.

end of the road wrote: »

it's not in their remit to be fair. also there really isn't anything more they can publically bring to the table on that issue.



those facing discrimination are never responsible for that discrimination. those who carry out the discrimination are the only ones responsible for it happening. whatever acts that are being committed by a group are separate to the discrimination that group may face.



pavee point insure traveler's rights are upheld yes, that is their remit. i wouldn't expect them to do anything less. but travelers do not have more rights then the rest of us.



if they were to publically comment on issues such as the above, it's quite likely that they wouldn't win because people would still complain that they didn't make their point in a certain way or didn't say certain things that they wanted to hear. so it's better if pavee point simply stick to lobbying rather then commenting on actions. there are enough people to go around to comment on these issues anyway.



not publically commenting on these issues is not letting traveler's kids down, given that there are processes and laws in place to deal with lack of school attendence as well as all of the other issues. anyone can inform the authorities if they believe a breach of the law is or has taken place, it's not pavee point's fault that people won't use the processes available if they are genuinely concerned about these issues happening within the traveling community.

As I said, always the victims.

Jerichoholic wrote: »

What annoyed me more was him telling the kid to throw the cutlery on the floor. It's the exact opposite of bringing up children.

A pig with no manners.

They don’t comply with the norms of society.
They’re a law unto themselves.
Do what we want, take what we want.
Anyone who disagrees with our way of life is discriminating against us.
Yada yada yada.

MrFresh wrote: »

That video is indicative of the reasons I have sympathy for travellers. They're stuck in this cycle. What chance has that child got at an acceptable life? When do you go from pitying him to hating him?

It’s not about hating him at all.
It’s about hating that way of life where children are subjected to behavior like this and think it’s the way to behave. When he grows up he’ll be beating his wife and “calling out” other Travellers to fight because it’s all he will know.

The civilised know it alls, try as the might, can't find a solution to fix the travellers.

They must absolutely love that.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

You’ve lost me



You too

The father is a bare knuckle boxing fan and wants his kid to pursue his interest. No different to a football fan dressing up little whoever in the teams kit and encouraging them to play football or whatever sport or hobby the parent has. Sport in particular is littered with examples like this but as they are mainstream sports and settled people it's ok.

Here the father is trying to beef up his kid and show him how to put up his dukes. No different than daddy McIlroy showing young Rory how to swing a golf club.

Bob Harris wrote: »

The father is a bare knuckle boxing fan and wants his kid to pursue his interest. No different to a football fan dressing up little whoever in the teams kit and encouraging them to play football or whatever sport or hobby the parent has. Sport in particular is littered with examples like this but as they are mainstream sports and settled people it's ok.

Here the father is trying to beef up his kid and show him how to put up his dukes. No different than daddy McIlroy showing young Rory how to swing a golf club.

No different at all ? Introducing a kid to alcohol and bare knuckle fighting both of which are illegal and detrimental to their health is the same as introducing a kid to playing a mainstream sport, playing by the rules and supporting a team . Are you sure?

Bob Harris wrote: »

You're only 26 posts old, stick around for more stupid shít.

Uh, ok...

Bob Harris wrote:

A sip of froth of Guinness and learning the skills of the sport of kings or brandishing a 3 foot metal object and swinging it around your head?

He didn't have to wait long in fairness

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Any solutions to how the cycle can be broken?

Education is how this cycle can be broken.

Not by giving them bullshít ethnic status and playing the victims every five seconds. They should be treated equally in society; both rights and responsibilities.

Reaching Leaving Cert level should be an absolute minimum standard and if their parents take them out of school, they should be prosecuted. Not to mention obvious actions like prosecuting the scumbag parent here.