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Gaming build with budget €1000-€1200

  • 18-07-2020 12:19pm
    #1
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭


    Looking to get a gmaing build together over the next few weeks and was wanting some input or suggestions.

    My last build was from Hardwareversand when they existed and is showing its age and can't keep up.
    I would want something that is flexible with upgrades as I dont tend to get a new PC very often

    I'm looking for good bang for my buck and don't REALLY have an affiliation for either intel or AMD. I've just always been Intel based over the years.

    Current build is
    Define R4 case
    MSI G45 gaming
    i5 4670k8GB RAM
    MSI GTX 970
    5GB SSD, 2TB HDD with a couple of older drives for temp backups.

    peripherals are mostly logitech based with G700s mouse, G933 and G19 keyboard. Keyboard is almost certainly going to be upgraded.

    I've got a 24" LG IPS screen as well as a 24" AOC G-Sync G2460PG monitor.
    The G-Sync monitor has saved me over the recent year or so as it hides a lot of the tearing/framerate issues.

    Looking at a new PC all together.
    I dont think anything in this is really salvageable for the new one.

    I dont have to improve the monitors as part of the build but will likely retire the LG monitor and use the AOC one as my second monitor and get a 1440 monitor or similar down the line.

    I don't mind spending a small bit more to have someone assemble it for me.

    Anyone got any suggestions. Any good retailers? Ones to avoid?
    I'm UK based in Manchester. Aria are just up the road from me.


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  • #2
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,694 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    PCPartPicker Part List

    CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (£153.47 @ Amazon UK)
    CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 CPU Cooler (£24.50 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte B550 GAMING X ATX AM4 Motherboard (£135.98 @ CCL Computers)
    Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL17 Memory (£73.44 @ CCL Computers)
    Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£109.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB SC ULTRA GAMING Video Card (£389.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400A ATX Mid Tower Case (£64.95 @ CCL Computers)
    Power Supply: BitFenix Formula Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply (£79.55 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
    Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 Silent 29.8 CFM 140 mm Fan (£5.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 Silent 29.8 CFM 140 mm Fan (£5.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £1043.85
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-07-18 20:19 BST+0100

    A bit of a bad time to buy tbh - next-gen GPUs are expected in September.
    You can offset this by buying EVGA - they have a 90-day Step-Up program.

    Or pre-built:

    Customised Nebula
    £956.98
    or £1,056.98 with Windows 10


  • #3
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    Thanks for the suggestions. I'm probably looking at getting it pre-assembled. From what I'm reading online the AMD CPUs seems to be a good bit more power for the money.

    I'm sure I'd get some satisfaction if I built it myself but not sure I'm bothered. CCL are a fairly reputable company.

    Any other suggestions for pre-assembled customer builds?
    Just because I don't tend buy a new PC very often and upgrade the PC until I have to I think I'll be looking at this as more of an investment so I don't mind spending slightly more to get a bit more longevity out of it.


  • #4
    JoyPad
    Registered Users Posts: 1,701 ✭✭✭JoyPad


    Apart from CCL, you can buy reasonably priced pre-built systems from PC Specialist, Scan and Overclockers.

    The former has an Irish website with prices in Euro. The other two, like CCL, will charge in GBP, but compute Irish VAT and ship to Ireland.


  • #5
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    I would be looking to pay in GBP and ship to the UK.

    I have over clocked in the past and might entertain the idea of that in the future. The ability to do so wouldn't stop me from buying a specific component. Anything to look out for/avoid with the memory/CPU/mobo?


  • #6
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,694 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    On AMD, B550 motherboards are better than B450/X470 by a fair bit; but X570 you need to look at reviews.

    CPU overclocking is a non-factor; it's all about fast RAM with low latencies.

    Airflow = good.


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  • #7
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    Been playing around with CCL with this. Largely looking at getting a prebuilt one rather than assemble myself. Of course it's going to end up being more expensive.

    AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8GHz Hexa Core CPU
    HyperX FURY RGB 16GB (2x 8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 RAM
    MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard
    Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB All-In-One Liquid CPU Cooler
    Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER GAMING 8GB
    Corsair Carbide 275R TG Gaming Case - White
    Antec NeoECO Gold ZEN 700W 80+ Gold PSU
    3 Year Collect & Return warranty
    Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB M.2-2280 NVMe PCIe SSD

    Comes in at £1192.

    I've got a 500GB SSD and 2TB HDD to transfer over to sort out my storage.

    Any suggested changes?


  • #8
    Aodhan5000
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000


    3600X isn't much better than the non X so you can save a bit there and maybe put the money into faster ram or something. 700W psu seems a bit overkill unless you plan on some hefty upgrades


  • #9
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,694 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Aodhan5000 wrote: »
    3600X isn't much better than the non X so you can save a bit there and maybe put the money into faster ram or something. 700W psu seems a bit overkill unless you plan on some hefty upgrades

    A lot of configs on CCL have the 3600X cheaper than 3600 for some reason :pac:


  • #10
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    A lot of configs on CCL have the 3600X cheaper than 3600 for some reason :pac:

    I notice that and in some configs it's only £12 more.


  • #11
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Does it say what make / model the PSU is? If not err on the side of caution with the stated wattages.


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  • #12
    Aodhan5000
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000


    Christ didn't know they put the 3600X cheaper but sure if they do then take it all day long


  • #13
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    Aodhan5000 wrote: »
    Christ didn't know they put the 3600X cheaper but sure if they do then take it all day long

    My guess is: in 3600x build they would use the bundled Wraith Spyre, which is a decent cooler. Not great, but decent. 3600 comes Wraith Stealth - which typically would need to be replaced.


  • #14
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    Aodhan5000 wrote: »
    Christ didn't know they put the 3600X cheaper but sure if they do then take it all day long

    I think I'd still be happy to pay the extra 12 quid for the higher clock.

    I need to figure out the case as the one I've linked above doesn't seem to have great thermals because if the front panel mostly.


  • #15
    Aodhan5000
    Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭Aodhan5000


    @grogi That does sound pretty logical to be fair. Ya if the difference is only 12 quid go for it. That's only the price of a lunch like


  • #16
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8GHz Hexa Core CPU
    HyperX FURY RGB 16GB (2x 8GB) 3200MHz DDR4 RAM
    MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard
    Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L RGB All-In-One Liquid CPU Cooler
    Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER Windforce 8GB
    Phanteks Eclipse P600S Gaming Case - Grey
    Corsair TX650M 650W Semi-Modular 80+ Gold PSU
    Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB M.2-2280 NVMe PCIe SSD


    Not a huge change to the build up top but I found a case I'm liking.
    Comes in at £1,222.74.


  • #17
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    P600 is a big chunk of change. 5700XT would be better value than a 2060S. No real need for a liquid cooler but no harm (other than cost) either.

    Is that a pre built or parts?


  • #18
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    P600 is a big chunk of change. 5700XT would be better value than a 2060S. No real need for a liquid cooler but no harm (other than cost) either.

    Is that a pre built or parts?
    That's pre built on CCL.
    I know I could get it cheaper separately.


    I've got peripherals sorted and will get a new monitor in a month or two.
    Have a 500 GB SATA SSD and 2tb drive too.


  • #19
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    kearneybobs wrote: »
    That's pre built on CCL.
    I know I could get it cheaper separately.


    I've got peripherals sorted and will get a new monitor in a month or two.
    Have a 500 GB SATA SSD and 2tb drive too.

    TBH it's sometimes not massively cheaper to build your own, especially if the builder is willing to ship without windows.


  • #20
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    The main advantage to building it yourself is the experience so you can upgrade or repair later if needed. The place I bought my PC (gone now) had an option to build it for around €80 (if my memory serves me) which would be useful for very busy people or not any room to build etc (there's reasons). I actually decided no on pre-built just to save that few extra quid and I'm thankful I did because I wouldn't have been able to help my sis and friends build their own later otherwise.


  • #21
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    Thanks for the input guys. With the drives I have/looking to get would you put you OS on the 500 SATA SSD? A couple of seconds boot time aren't really a concern to me.
    Games installs on the M2? And general storage on the 2tb 7200rpm drive. What would be the best config? Should I just up the M2 drive size and put OS and game installs in it?


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  • #22
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    OS on the M.2. Games on the SATA SSD and porn on the Hard drive.


  • #23
    Robert ninja
    Registered Users Posts: 3,878 ✭✭✭Robert ninja


    ^^^ OS definitely on the fastest drive. It's not just about booting although that does add up massively over time and alone is enough of a reason but there's also system updates, software updates (and all the reboots they cause), installing, uninstalling, cache, indexing/searching and virus scanning.


  • #24
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    There will be no perceivable difference in speed between any NVME and decent (not the DRAM-less ****) SATA SSD.


  • #25
    K.O.Kiki
    Registered Users Posts: 18,694 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    grogi wrote: »
    There will be no perceivable difference in speed between any NVME and decent (not the DRAM-less ****) SATA SSD.

    For now.


  • #26
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    So i decided to go with his build from CCLOnline.

    AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6GHz 6 Core (Socket AM4) CPU
    MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX AMD Socket AM4 Motherboard
    Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER GAMING 8GB
    Phanteks Eclipse P600S Gaming Case - Grey
    Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 16GB (2x 8GB) 3200MHz
    Corsair TX650M 650W Semi-Modular 80+ Gold PSU
    Adata XPG SX8200 Pro 512GB M.2-2280 SSD
    Be Quiet Dark Rock Slim Air Tower CPU Cooler
    2 x Arctic F12 PWM 120mm Case Fan with PWM Control

    i did have the option of getting the ROG Strix gaming -E for about £20 extra and could have also had the 3600x for another £28 extra too but decided against.
    Not sure how much of a step up the ROG Strix Gaming E would be though.

    Case comes with 2 front fans and 1 rear fan. The extra 2 should suffice
    .
    I think that, in combo with the cooler should easily be enough to keep it cool without being really loud, hopefully.
    Decided against the AIO water cooler. That would have been overkill for me, probs.
    On top of what's outlined above, I'll be adding in an SSD and 2 x mechanical harddrives, transferring them over from my current build.

    I've gotten over 6 years with my current build thanks to a GPU and Gsync monitor upgrade along the way.

    Think this should do me for a while at least! Thanks to everyone for all the input/suggestions.


  • #27
    kearneybobs
    Registered Users Posts: 3,923 ✭✭✭kearneybobs


    CCL are ready to ship my PC.

    Anyone got any ballpark idea for what I'd get if I put this on ebay/online?

    Current build is
    Define R4 case
    MSI Z87 G45 gaming
    i5 4670k
    8GB RAM
    MSI GTX 970
    NZXT Hue (5.25" drive controller)

    All works as it should.


  • #28
    grogi
    Registered Users Posts: 8,615 ✭✭✭grogi


    MSI Z87 G45 gaming - €75
    i5 4670k - €40
    8GB RAM - €20-€30 with higher if is performance kit, like DDR3 2400 or so.
    MSI GTX 970 - around €100

    Define R4 case - no idea.
    NZXT Hue (5.25" drive controller)


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