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2017-21 help to buy scheme - megathread. All help to buy discussion here please

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  • Registered Users Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Dolbhad


    Dylan94 wrote: »
    We just applied for the help to buy scheme, we were approved today for €3500. We claimed for 2016, 2017 & 2018. However, during those years we paid €17,000 in income tax between us. We are looking to buy for €400,000ish, so need everything we can get.

    Thats just normal income tax at 20%, excluding PRSI, USC etc. I have sent revenue a message through the online service, but they tend to take a long time to get back.

    In the meantime, does anyone have any ideas why it might be so much lower?


    I would check that you both applied together and are linked. Also Have you made claims on tax for those years like medical expenses, education expenses etc?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 179 ✭✭Dylan94


    Dolbhad wrote: »
    I would check that you both applied together and are linked. Also Have you made claims on tax for those years like medical expenses, education expenses etc?

    Yep, we checked that we are linked, we both have our approval and our individual breakdown. We have never applied for any tax relief for anything at all and got the figures from our p21 from the revenue online system.

    We are both way down with each of us being approved for about one fifth of what we paid in income tax.


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭Sponsorgate


    FAO self builders


    Revenue got back to me & because my lender has valued the house so high I fall under the 70% LTV. The value they have put on it is signifcantly higher than the amount of money I have budgeted to build it & borrowed from them. I plan on living in the house the rest of my life.Its just really annoying I am unable to claim the HTB .



    Anyone have a similar experience?


    Sponsorgate


  • Administrators Posts: 53,331 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    FAO self builders


    Revenue got back to me & because my lender has valued the house so high I fall under the 70% LTV. The value they have put on it is signifcantly higher than the amount of money I have budgeted to build it & borrowed from them. I plan on living in the house the rest of my life.Its just really annoying I am unable to claim the HTB .



    Anyone have a similar experience?


    Sponsorgate

    Yes, the LTV is based on the value of the house, not the cost to build it.

    Your solicitor or whatever should have explained this to you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭pugw


    Hi could anyone advise is there any harm in applying for the help to buy just to get the approval and see what you would be entitled to claim? Just starting to look at houses now, and want to get approval in principal etc. and don't want to get a surprise at the last minute.
    We may not end up buying until late 2020.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    pugw wrote: »
    Hi could anyone advise is there any harm in applying for the help to buy just to get the approval and see what you would be entitled to claim? Just starting to look at houses now, and want to get approval in principal etc. and don't want to get a surprise at the last minute.
    We may not end up buying until late 2020.

    If you’re not planning until buying until 2020 I would hold applying until Jan.
    If you look at what you’ve paid in tax over the last number of years it should give you a good indicator of what you are entitled to


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Hey all,

    Looking for some info on Help To Buy.

    So from reading online etc, it mentions the Help to Buy refund which is roughly 5% is put towards the deposit on the house.

    So example - Buying a house for €250,000, the deposit would be €25,000

    I see on the revenue site that the HTB refund goes directly to the developer so does this mean the deposit I would pay out of my own account would be €12,500 and the remainder of the deposit is paid directly to the Developer via HTB?

    If the above is correct, my second question is, do you have to have signed the contracts to avail of the Help to Buy? And if so, doesn't this mean you already have to have paid the deposit?

    Thanks in advance for any info. Greatly appreciated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    joe123 wrote: »
    Hey all,

    Looking for some info on Help To Buy.

    So from reading online etc, it mentions the Help to Buy refund which is roughly 5% is put towards the deposit on the house.

    So example - Buying a house for €250,000, the deposit would be €25,000

    I see on the revenue site that the HTB refund goes directly to the developer so does this mean the deposit I would pay out of my own account would be €12,500 and the remainder of the deposit is paid directly to the Developer via HTB?

    If the above is correct, my second question is, do you have to have signed the contracts to avail of the Help to Buy? And if so, doesn't this mean you already have to have paid the deposit?

    Thanks in advance for any info. Greatly appreciated.

    Provided the developer is registered for the Help to Buy scheme and you are approved for the amount you require then you would pay 12,500 and Revenue will also pay 12,500 upon approving your claim.

    In order to avail of Help to Buy you need to first apply for it. To do this your tax needs to be up to date with nothing owed. Then when you are approved, Revenue will outline what is the relief/refund available to you. This is the lower amount of; 5% of the value of the property, your approved relief/refund or €20,000.
    Once you’ve approval you will need a counter signed contract and proof of mortgage (letter of offer). You then complete the claim on the website and this is then passed to your developer who verifies it and then Revenue issue the funds to the developer


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    tomister wrote: »
    Provided the developer is registered for the Help to Buy scheme and you are approved for the amount you require then you would pay 12,500 and Revenue will also pay 12,500 upon approving your claim.

    In order to avail of Help to Buy you need to first apply for it. To do this your tax needs to be up to date with nothing owed. Then when you are approved, Revenue will outline what is the relief/refund available to you. This is the lower amount of; 5% of the value of the property, your approved relief/refund or €20,000.
    Once you’ve approval you will need a counter signed contract and proof of mortgage (letter of offer). You then complete the claim on the website and this is then passed to your developer who verifies it and then Revenue issue the funds to the developer

    Perfect, just the info I needed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Just filling in the help to buy section on revenue and wondering what amount do I put in when it asks for the deposit payable? Is it the full 10% amount of the purchase price?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭tolow


    I’m sure these questions have already been asked at some point in this thread but I might be a while looking back for an answer.

    My first question is does it matter if one person has paid more tax over the four years when submitting a joint application? I looked back through my taxes for 2015-2018 and as a single application I have paid almost 20k in income tax whereas my partner was still in college in 2015,2016 and in 2017 and she would have paid very little income tax. Does it matter that the majority of the tax paid was by one person?

    My second question is whether any social welfare payments affect an application? My partner was in receipt of Back to Education allowance in 2015, 2016 and 2017.

    Final question is if we apply in January and don’t actually end up buying in 2020 can we then re-apply in 2021?

    Thanks in advance!


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    Just filling in the help to buy section on revenue and wondering what amount do I put in when it asks for the deposit payable? Is it the full 10% amount of the purchase price?

    Correct. It’s the full deposit that is due on the property. There should also be a section for deposit paid which will be your 5%


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭Motivator


    I know this question has been asked a million times but I rang the revenue today and the girl hadn’t a clue what the answer was.

    We’ve paid our 10% deposit on our new build, we haven’t applied for our mortgage yet as the move in isn’t for at least another 6 months so we’re going to wait until the new year to apply. We started the HTB application and got the figure that we’re entitled to claim but we couldn’t push it through without the proof of mortgage. Contracts are signed and sealed so we’re all set.

    When we get our mortgage approved in the new year, can we claim the figure back direct? Or does it go to the developer who refunds us back the money out of the cash deposit we paid?


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Fia11


    The end is in sight, just about. Waiting for one part contract in order to get claim reference number in order for developer's solicitor to be able to drawn down H2B funds. Then need to provide proof of this to the bank who can draw down the rest of the mortgage, then need to sign.

    Seems like a whole thing, but they are still saying we will have keys this side of Christmas. We'll see.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Had to wait on a couple of Form 12's being submitted/reviewed.

    All complete, now when I go to "continue" the help to buy application Im getting the error:

    We're Sorry…
    Something went wrong and we are having trouble processing your request at this time.

    Please come back later and try again.

    Error ID: htb:2065627789717535846


    Anyone else get this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Apparently the HTB system "is down for the whole country" although I was told on the phone that canceling the Application and starting again might work.

    :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    Motivator wrote: »
    I know this question has been asked a million times but I rang the revenue today and the girl hadn’t a clue what the answer was.

    We’ve paid our 10% deposit on our new build, we haven’t applied for our mortgage yet as the move in isn’t for at least another 6 months so we’re going to wait until the new year to apply. We started the HTB application and got the figure that we’re entitled to claim but we couldn’t push it through without the proof of mortgage. Contracts are signed and sealed so we’re all set.

    When we get our mortgage approved in the new year, can we claim the figure back direct? Or does it go to the developer who refunds us back the money out of the cash deposit we paid?


    It's very odd to pay full deposit on a new build without mortgage approval, usually you need this to sign contracts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    GingerLily wrote: »
    It's very odd to pay full deposit on a new build without mortgage approval, usually you need this to sign contracts.

    Thought that odd myself as well. Thought you couldn't sign contracts with full mortgage approval.


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    Thought that odd myself as well. Thought you couldn't sign contracts with full mortgage approval.

    Yeah I'd be very surprised if a solicitor has allowed everything to be signed without having all the documents from the bank


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Fia11


    joe123 wrote: »
    Apparently the HTB system "is down for the whole country" although I was told on the phone that canceling the Application and starting again might work.

    :cool:

    Well that's...delightful. I do hope it goes back 'up' soon.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭GingerLily


    Thought that odd myself as well. Thought you couldn't sign contracts with full mortgage approval.

    Unless they initially were going to pay in cash but instead choose to get a mortgage and HTB?

    Hmmmmmmmmm


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭Motivator


    tomister wrote: »
    Yeah I'd be very surprised if a solicitor has allowed everything to be signed without having all the documents from the bank

    Our contracts are signed by us and back with our solicitor after being signed by the builder’s solicitors with a mortgage in principle clause included. There was never any issue as long as we had the deposit the day we signed the contracts.

    Our house won’t be ready until April at the earliest so there was never any problems signing anything without a letter from the bank. Our solicitor just inserted the clause in the contract.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Fia11 wrote: »
    Well that's...delightful. I do hope it goes back 'up' soon.

    Yeah its still down. Online Chat/email said cancelling and restarting application wont work. On the phone they said it might work.

    Ive a feeling they havent a clue and im wondering if it really is down.

    If anyone on this thread is able to successfully apply will you update this thread. Signing the contracts is being held up by this now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 782 ✭✭✭Dolbhad


    Motivator wrote: »
    Our contracts are signed by us and back with our solicitor after being signed by the builder’s solicitors with a mortgage in principle clause included. There was never any issue as long as we had the deposit the day we signed the contracts.

    Our house won’t be ready until April at the earliest so there was never any problems signing anything without a letter from the bank. Our solicitor just inserted the clause in the contract.

    That’s unusual. Most builders who allow the clause want a loan offer to have issued as it as gone to an underwriter (so if it expires your likely to get another one) rather than approval in principle which isn’t worth the paper it is written on for most banks. But you’ll need it for HTB so get one issued and resubmit for new loan offer if it expires and house isn’t done yet


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,521 ✭✭✭joe123


    Site is back working FYI.


  • Registered Users Posts: 446 ✭✭ebayissues


    Can any one PM a good solictor & Surveyor please?


  • Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭fungie


    Dolbhad wrote: »
    That’s unusual. Most builders who allow the clause want a loan offer to have issued as it as gone to an underwriter (so if it expires your likely to get another one) rather than approval in principle which isn’t worth the paper it is written on for most banks. But you’ll need it for HTB so get one issued and resubmit for new loan offer if it expires and house isn’t done yet

    We had the clause put in and didn't have full mortgage approval. Was no problem.


  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Fia11


    Good to site the site is functional again. We're just waiting for our Help to Buy funds to be issued, as per revenue it will be approximately 5 working days. With any bit of luck it will be sooner, as we're hoping to close next week. Nearly there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40 Whodanoob


    This may be a stupid question, but say I am claiming htb this month, can I include January to November in my claim, as I paid more tax than previous years, even though the year isn't finished yet?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭tomister


    Whodanoob wrote: »
    This may be a stupid question, but say I am claiming htb this month, can I include January to November in my claim, as I paid more tax than previous years, even though the year isn't finished yet?

    Afraid not. You can only include complete full years and those years must not have any tax outstanding


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