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Church of Ireland parish registers to be digitised

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Other CoI records have gone onto irishgenealogy.ie so it would make most sense to put them there and I'd be amazed if they weren't free.

    Records not held in the RCBL will presumably stay wherever they are.

    I'd expect them to be subject to the data protection rules set down for the civil registers.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭BowWow


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Records not held in the RCBL will presumably stay wherever they are.

    Would be great to see all CofI records together and accessable.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭BowWow


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    I'd expect them to be subject to the data protection rules set down for the civil registers.

    Makes sense and would be good if applied to all church records.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Just had a thought though: COI records up to 1870 are public records (established church), after that, they aren't.

    Other churches' records have never been public so the state is not likely to ever gain control of them.

    I also note Claire Santry's report is now updated to say they will be on irishgenealogy.ie and the COI statement says over time they will also include registers in local custody not just in the RCBL.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭BowWow


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    I also note Claire Santry's report is now updated to say they will be on irishgenealogy.ie and the COI statement says over time they will also include registers in local custody not just in the RCBL.

    Excellent news!

    https://www.ireland.anglican.org/news/8247/100000-grant-supports-digitisation-of


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  • Registered Users Posts: 735 ✭✭✭hblock21


    I presume these records have no significance whatsoever for researchers whose families were all catholic? Hoping I'm wrong.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Sometimes Catholics were married or baptised in CoI churches so there may be some significance.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    hblock21 wrote: »
    I presume these records have no significance whatsoever for researchers whose families were all catholic? Hoping I'm wrong.
    Hermy wrote: »
    Sometimes Catholics were married or baptised in CoI churches so there may be some significance.

    I was just about to ask the same question. I wonder how often that actually happened, Catholics 'using' COI places of worship? Has anyone here ever come across it in their research? I've never really understood why it would happen, actually.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    In practice, I think it's only use of burial grounds that we find RCs in COI churches.

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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    In practice, I think it's only use of burial grounds that we find RCs in COI churches.

    A few "missing" marriages on Roots Ireland for me turned out to be COI marraiges (presumably the spouse was) when I could eventually see the GRO image. I also have members of my family that seemed to forget which religion they were between censuses and occasionally children! Political expediency for jobs on one side and nationalist agitation on the other I think; one extremely English/Anglican surname becoming a Catholic land agitator in the late 1800s and his son being in the IRA in 1919 is much more likely to be explained by expediency than a change in faith.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭BowWow


    I have a few surnames in my tree that look like ¨planter¨ stock. Think they married into catholic families in early 19th. century. Hoping that CofI records might assist there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 murf96


    hblock21 wrote: »
    I presume these records have no significance whatsoever for researchers whose families were all catholic? Hoping I'm wrong.

    In 1863, my distant relative, Ellen Murphy, a Catholic, married Protestant William Morton at Clondagad, Co Clare. I first came across this marriage in the Familysearch marriages database. It is also referenced in the Ennis COI marriage index.
    William was employed as a coachman for Protestant landlord William H Ball of Fortfergus. I rather suspect that if William had converted to Popery at that time it may well have cost him his job, for Major Ball was not on friendly terms with the local Catholic clergy. So William remained a Protestant for most of his life, until in 1913, at age 75, Ellen finally persuaded him to convert to Catholicism. He died a Catholic four years later.
    I have no way of knowing how common such mixed marriages were, but I put this forward as one example of how the digitisation of COI records can be of assistance even to researchers of Catholic forebears.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Any update on this project?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    No. Keep an eye on Claire Santry's blog, but it'll likely be at least a year if not more.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Had forgotten about this project - anyone have an update?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    No, but safe to say it's delayed by Covid.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭BowWow


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Just a heads up BowWow - it's generally considered good form to post a comment with any links you share.

    Regards, Hermy


    EDIT: I've jut realised they're not even links but just screen grabs of Twitter posts which is well below the standard for the forum.

    Post edited by Hermy on

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,088 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Was there any mention in the recent media coverage of a time frame? I would love if they would throw up whatever they have done and add to it, rather than me having to wait until it is all digitised.

    It is all about me. :)

    Seriously though, it will be a great resource when ready.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    Is just one person transcribing all these records I wonder?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yes if you mean the Anglican records project.

    The RCBL are doing the scanning of their registers in-house - but I'm sure they're getting a company to do the transcriptions.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    We've said it here before, I'm sure there are plenty of qualified volunteers willing to assist. Amazing how all the archives prefer not to go down that route, not even partially, except FamilySearch of course.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    I suspect it's to do with the logistics, quality control, training and management of volunteers. Much easier to get a company to do it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    Over the years I've heard stories that years ago unqualified people were used to transcribe other records (not the CoI records though). Can't give any further information.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A lot of the older RC record transcription (for IFHF) here was CE scheme work I thought? E.g. completely unqualified and not experienced at least at the start. Bit hard to know what records are the ones done at the start of the training and which ones are from when they'd got experience under their belt!



  • Registered Users Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Jellybaby_1


    Maybe they're the ones I was told about.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    It was a FAS scheme as far as I know under a Haughey government.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,609 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yes, however, the FAS scheme was teaching people how to type. They weren't necessarily concerned with accuracy. In the early days, there were ferocious transcription errors on Rootsireland (and no images to link with). I'm merely suggesting that the RCBL has the funding to do a better job nowadays.

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