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Netanyahu promises to annex Jordan Valley

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  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭[Deleted User]


    for anyone interested in the language being by some posters in this thread you should do a google for "The Israel Project’s 2009 Global Language Dictionary".
    Last time its mentioned on boards is five years ago so might be worth mentioning again.
    A few of the posts here are using that playbook,
    and when you watch a few interviews you can nearly predict what's going to be said next.
    the current ambassador to the UK is a dinger for it.


  • #63
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    tayto lover wrote: »
    They would have to be UN troops and the US would go against it. Big Jewish lobby in the US.

    They need intervention on humanitarian grounds. It's obvious the U.S. and Russia have their agendas foremost.


  • #64
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,428 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Lethean wrote: »
    for anyone interested in the language being by some posters in this thread you should do a google for "The Israel Project’s 2009 Global Language Dictionary".
    Last time its mentioned on boards is five years ago so might be worth mentioning again.
    A few of the posts here are using that playbook,
    and when you watch a few interviews you can nearly predict what's going to be said next.
    the current ambassador to the UK is a dinger for it.

    Hadn’t seen that before but they have some necks.
    Plenty of them in here too it seems.


  • #65
    Sand
    Registered Users Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    tayto lover wrote: »
    They would have to be UN troops and the US would go against it. Big Jewish lobby in the US.

    The lobby is in the White House and at every level of US politics. Trumps daughter, Ivanka, is married to Jared Kushner, whose family is so embedded in the Israeli dominance of American politics that Netanyahu once literally slept in Jared Kushner's bed (Jared apparently slept in the basement that night).

    Ireland thinks it has a special relationship with the US because once a year Irish politicians gets to visit the President of the US with a bowl of shamrock. Israel has 24/7 access to the US leadership. It is a rite of passage for US politicians to visit Israel and express their deep and abiding love of the country and their determination to advance it's interests at any cost to the US. US states like Florida have passed laws to make it illegal to criticise Israel.

    Fantasies about the UN intervening and confronting the IDF in defence of Palestinians are exactly that - fantasies. Any force which did actually intervene must be non-UN (as the US would exercise its veto by default), and should the IDF prove unable to quickly defeat that force with indirect US support and funding, the US would go to war directly to protect Israeli interests regardless of the cost. Simple as that.


  • #66
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users Posts: 4,333 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    And basically, as with most things you can blame colonial powers for this mess


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  • #67
    mvt
    Registered Users Posts: 462 ✭✭mvt


    You would have to think this is not going to end well for the state of Israel.

    Any rational reading of moves like this, from a historical point of view, have never resulted in a positive outcome if anything its usually the opposite.

    Thinking that the United states is going to come to your rescue, maybe ask the people in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq etc how that worked out for them.

    Compromise is the only way to peace.


  • #68
    Big Ears
    Registered Users Posts: 8,967 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Seems the United States is now directly supporting this policy.
    They no longer deem Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory to be illegal.


  • #69
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    And basically, as with most things you can blame colonial powers for this mess
    You can blame them for the past but the intractable neighbours for the present.


  • #70
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Big Ears wrote: »
    Seems the United States is now directly supporting this policy.
    They no longer deem Israeli settlements in Palestinian territory to be illegal.


    US policy is directed from Israel. It has been since Kushner got into power.


  • #71
    Berserker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    cameramonkey wrote: »
    US policy is directed from Israel. It has been since Kushner got into power.

    Nothing to do with Kushner. Has been the case for decades. Can't see any change going forward either. Can't think of another group that has as much influence in US politics.
    mvt wrote: »
    Any rational reading of moves like this, from a historical point of view, have never resulted in a positive outcome if anything its usually the opposite.

    Who is going to step in to prevent a position outcome for them?
    mvt wrote: »
    Compromise is the only way to peace.

    The Israeli's have tried that to be fair to them and it has not worked. Hard to compromise with people who want you wiped off the face of the planet.


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  • #72
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Berserker wrote: »
    ...


    The Israeli's have tried that to be fair to them and it has not worked. Hard to compromise with people who want you wiped off the face of the planet.

    That's completely untrue. And trying to be fair to the people you butcher and steal land from? Very nice of them :rolleyes:

    The sad thing is the world sits by and watches while the U.S. supports the Israeli regime and in time what Israel is doing won't even be questioned. It's Neytanyahu who does not want the two state solution. It is Netanyahu promised to back more annexation if he got re-elected. The region will be better off when he's gone. The Israelis have zero morals.


  • #73
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,948 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Berserker wrote: »
    Nothing to do with Kushner. Has been the case for decades. Can't see any change going forward either. Can't think of another group that has as much influence in US politics.



    Who is going to step in to prevent a position outcome for them?



    The Israeli's have tried that to be fair to them and it has not worked. Hard to compromise with people who want you wiped off the face of the planet.




    A nonsense, tbh. Settlement building and expansion have been ongoing for decades - thats hardly "compromise".


  • #74
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod note:

    Posts that responded to other posts from September, which had already been sanctioned, and which were in any event off topic, have been deleted. Don't try to drag the thread, which is on a very specific topic, into a quagmire.


  • #75
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,948 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    We will find out today whether or not Netanyahu will be indicted and on what charges.



    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-indictment-imminent-bribery-fraud-or-breach-of-trust-1.8160019


  • #76
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,428 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Odhinn wrote: »
    We will find out today whether or not Netanyahu will be indicted and on what charges.



    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-netanyahu-indictment-imminent-bribery-fraud-or-breach-of-trust-1.8160019

    Does it matter to the poor Palestinians?
    If there’s an election they will only vote in another warmongering leader anyway.


  • #77
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Does it matter to the poor Palestinians?
    If there’s an election they will only vote in another warmongering leader anyway.

    Gantz was more humane.
    Netanyahu should go. He's hanging on and might be in jail rather than government come the next election. However Israel is ripe for another butcher in the style of Trump sadly.


  • #78
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    BREAKING: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been indicted on charges relating to corruption and bribery. The implications are absolutely massive.


  • #79
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Cody montana wrote: »
    BREAKING: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been indicted on charges relating to corruption and bribery. The implications are absolutely massive.

    That's amazing news. Great day for Israel and Palestine.


  • #80
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    That's amazing news. Great day for Israel and Palestine.
    And for anyone not a fan of singularly unpleasant people.


  • #81
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/111237847#Comment_111237847

    No it doesn't, actually. AntiSemitism has nothing to do with religion. It's racism pure and simple.

    Anti Semitism is a relatively new term, less than 200 years old. It denounces the Jewish race as being a subset of humanity. It doesn't care where Jews worship or whether they do at all. For Jews, discarding the Jewish belief system or even adopting another such as Christianity, is no escape from an anti Semite. That prejudice is based on one's ancestry, which is the one thing you can do nothing about.

    "Was der Jude glaubt ist einerlei; in der Rasse liegt die Schweinerei" was the slogan of the Anti Semites in Austria even before Hitler was born. It means "What the Jew believes is irrelevant; in his race lies his swinishness" (Charming)

    This of course was wholeheartedly embraced by the Nazis and formed the basis of their own classification as to who was Jewish and who wasn't.

    It is fair to say that in recent decades Anti Semitism has come to be used as a term syonymous with any anti Jewish prejudice. But as late as the 1970s, Israeli spokespeople were drawing distinctions between the various strands of "Jew Phobia", if I may coin that as a general term. Israel's ambassador to the UN in the 1970s, Chaim Herzog (who grew up in Dublin's South Circular Road) condemned what he called "anti semitism and anti Judaism" in his famous speech to the UN General Assembly countering the charge that Zionism was racism. The clear implication is that the two terms are subtly different.

    Using "Anti Semitism" as a blanket term for ALL hostility to Jews and/or Israelis is a con trick. It aims to equate criticism of Israel's brutish, expansionist, nation-denying policies towards the Palestinians (note our Israeli poster's refusal to describe Israel's "Arabs" as Palestinians at all) with the genocidal actions of the Nazis.

    See through it.



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