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International Men's Day 19th November

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore




    Am I the only one who thinks it's good to soldier on and bottle stuff up to an extent? You know, sometimes you just have chin up (which could be a point of pride in a trying time) until your life situation improves itself or is improved.



    I know the current theory is that men need to talk more about their feelings, and I do agree to an extent, but I honestly don't see the problem with just soldiering on. Imo, it could be quite healthy.



    But, I also think anger is a healthy emotion :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭Better Than Christ


    Seamai wrote: »
    I'm scratching my crown jewels in the office all morning and there's nothing the ladies can do about it, this is our day, suck it up.

    Same. Arrived into the office at 9am and just slapped it straight out onto the desk.

    I don't even work in an office. They're all wondering who I am and what I'm doing here. Apparently the guards are on the way.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,499 ✭✭✭Sabre0001


    Happy International Men's Day!

    A trending topic on Twitter with posts highlighting men who are breaking down the stigma of talking about mental health, for one. It's a conversation worth having throughout the year (and thankfully we're seeing an uptick in discussion, awareness and support throughout the year), but in particular when there's a focal point on issues faced by men in particular. I thought this was a good ad that ran over the Rugby World Cup.



    Anyone doing Movember? Mo's must be looking pretty impressive at this stage. I tried one year and wasn't allowed within 100m of playgrounds :D Not a good look!

    It's easy to look to the things that happen on International Women's Day and feel put out. BUT it's worth remembering that a lot of those things didn't come easy. It took lobbying and people starting things at a grassroots level themselves; it takes work. When will International Men's Day get a Google Doodle? It might help if people weren't searching for International Men's Day only in March (though there was an uptick last year at the right time of year which is good to see)...

    As I grow older, something that I would like to see rolled out is a routine national prostate screening programme. I know that I (and I'm sure many other males) will put off visits to the doctor in the hopes of things sorting themselves out / it just being something minor. So on this International Men's Day, I'm going to highlight that each year, more than 3,600 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer in Ireland. There are risk factors such as age, diet, and family history, but early detection can save your life: https://www.cancer.ie/reduce-your-risk/health-education/cancer-awareness-campaigns/prostate-cancer-awareness/facts-about-prostate-cancer#sthash.MTGnx54t.dpbs. In an uplifting (?) story, volunteers organised a free screening event in London again this year and thousands showed up to avail of the test.

    🤪



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    Am I the only one who thinks it's good to soldier on and bottle stuff up to an extent? You know, sometimes you just have chin up (which could be a point of pride in a trying time) until your life situation improves itself or is improved.



    I know the current theory is that men need to talk more about their feelings, and I do agree to an extent, but I honestly don't see the problem with just soldiering on. Imo, it could be quite healthy.



    But, I also think anger is a healthy emotion :D

    That's a good point.

    Absolutely soldiering on works for a lot of people (not just men) and then some people could do with opening up.

    That's why focussing on the great hive mind of "men" and "women" rather than accepting that each person is an individual is a little trite. There is no catch all.

    That's why the vilification of "men" (lets teach men not to rape) and the victimisation of "women" (I believe her) that is prevalent in the media is damaging for both sexes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,921 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Am I the only one who thinks it's good to soldier on and bottle stuff up to an extent? You know, sometimes you just have chin up (which could be a point of pride in a trying time) until your life situation improves itself or is improved.



    I know the current theory is that men need to talk more about their feelings, and I do agree to an extent, but I honestly don't see the problem with just soldiering on. Imo, it could be quite healthy.



    But, I also think anger is a healthy emotion :D

    Depends what the battle is. Soldiering on is completely appropriate in some situations. Soldiering on with serious mental or physical health issues is much less appropriate. In those instances, getting help is much better advice, wouldn't you agree?

    If normal everyday situations are causing unusual levels of distress, it suggests theres something unusual going on so its is a bad idea to soldier regardless.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Am I the only one who thinks it's good to soldier on and bottle stuff up to an extent? You know, sometimes you just have chin up (which could be a point of pride in a trying time) until your life situation improves itself or is improved.



    I know the current theory is that men need to talk more about their feelings, and I do agree to an extent, but I honestly don't see the problem with just soldiering on. Imo, it could be quite healthy.



    But, I also think anger is a healthy emotion :D

    I agree, I was posting it not necessarily in agreement just that at least they acknowledge it.

    The better life gets in western civ. the worse people's mental health gets - we are spoiled, too much time to overthink things.

    There is a lot to be said for the strong silent type , like T. Soprano would say in Sopranos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    Depends what the battle is. Soldiering on is completely appropriate in some situations. Soldiering on with serious mental or physical health issues is much less appropriate. In those instances, getting help is much better advice, wouldn't you agree?

    If normal everyday situations are causing unusual levels of distress, it suggests theres something unusual going on so its is a bad idea to soldier regardless.


    In fairness, if a man is taking care of his family, he can't really have the time to change job quickly if it's causing him stress, in the same way a new mother can't really throw in the towel.



    It's interesting how the past had positive words for male mental health. 'Keep your chin up', 'Soldier on', and a few others that I can't remember. It turned mental health into a battle which might fit some men's mentality better than seeing it as something that you need to talk about and pause in life.



    Imo, there could be some truth to this due to the different ways men and women have been socialised for hundreds of years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,921 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    In fairness, if a man is taking care of his family, he can't really have the time to change job quickly if it's causing him stress, in the same way a new mother can't really throw in the towel.



    It's interesting how the past had positive words for male mental health. 'Keep your chin up', 'Soldier on', and a few others that I can't remember. It turned mental health into a battle which might fit some men's mentality better than seeing it as something that you need to talk about and pause in life.



    Imo, there could be some truth to this due to the different ways men and women have been socialised for hundreds of years.

    So what would you say to a mate who’s struggling?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    So what would you say to a mate who’s struggling?


    Dunno. I'm more thinking of the broad society rather than the individual as the individual can be different on a case by case basis, but I do think suicide is a sociological phenomenon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,921 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Dunno. I'm more thinking of the broad society rather than the individual as the individual can be different on a case by case basis, but I do think suicide is a sociological phenomenon.

    OK well, in the meantime I'm perfectly happy to raise awareness of mental health and the need for services for people who need help. And then to make those helping services available to those who need them and remove the social barriers to seeking that help.

    Would you agree?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    OK well, in the meantime I'm perfectly happy to raise awareness of mental health and the need for services for people who need help. And then to make those helping services available to those who need them and remove the social barriers to seeking that help.

    Would you agree?


    Sure. Why not?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Happy mens day. Am I doing it right?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    Happy mens day. Am I doing it right?

    I'd tell you, but it would be mansplaining. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Tried to throw us a curve ball after last night but where there’s a stool there’s a spool.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,921 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sure. Why not?

    Great. Welcome onboard!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    You know, I think I'd try and focus on telling men that anger is an okay emotion. It is good to get it out of your system, to motivate yourself during times of trouble and to stand up for your own autonomy. And, due to some theories that deppression is anger internalised, then perhaps it is good to externalise it to help stop suicides.



    How do you think that would go down telling men that anger is okay? :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,921 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    You know, I think I'd try and focus on telling men that anger is an okay emotion. It is good to get it out of your system, to motivate yourself during times of trouble and to stand up for your own autonomy. And, due to some theories that deppression is anger internalised, then perhaps it is good to externalise it to help stop suicides.



    How do you think that would go down telling men that anger is okay? :pac:

    Id consider it great. Dealing with emotions is healthy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Reviews and Books Galore


    Id consider it great. Dealing with emotions is healthy.


    Good, and I do mean that. A lot of people would be worried about it increasing male violence against women, but men should not be seen in the paradigim of males hurting women.



    Anger is just another type of emotion. A woman might need anger if she is being bellitled, or going through a tough time and needs the motivator, or just needs to stand her ground. The same is true for men.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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