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March 2021 Boards weather forecast contest

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Annual scoring Jan to Mar 2021


    Starting next month the best 3/4 totals will be shown, but for now we continue to use only total scores in the ranking. Your ranks after Jan and Feb shown to right of other data.


    rank _ FORECASTER ________ Jan _Feb _Mar __ TOTAL _ (ranks Jan, Jan-Feb)


    _01 __ JPmarn _____________63 _ 76 _ 69 ___ 208 ____ 08, t03

    _02 __ Kindred Spirit ________58 _ 82 _ 67 ___ 207 ____ t11, 02

    t 03 __ dacogawa ___________79 _ 60 _ 67 ___ 206 ____ 02, t03

    t 03 __ Appledrop __________ 56 _ 75 _ 75 ___ 206 ____ 15, t05

    _05 __ tae laidir ____________67 _ 64 _ 74 ___ 205 ____ t05, t05


    (t05)_____ Con Sensus ______65 _ 59 _ 81 ___ 205 ____(t07), (t11)


    _06 __ Artane2002 _________ 67 _ 48 _ 87 ___ 202 ____ t05, 14

    _07 __ Western Storm _______45 _ 81 _ 73 ___ 199 ____ 22, t09

    _08 __ sryanbruen __________75 _ 76 _ 47 ___ 198 ____ 04, 01

    _09 __ john mac ___________ 62 _ 68 _ 67 ___ 197 ____ 09, 07

    _10 __ MrSkinner __________ 58 _ 63 _ 75 ___ 196 ____ t11, 12


    (11) __ ___ NormaL ________ 59 _ 76 _ 58 ___ 193 ____(t10), (05)


    _11 __ eon1208 ___________ 53 _ 76 _ 62 ___ 191 ____ 18, 08

    _12 __ sunflower3 __________76 _ 37 _ 72 ___ 185 ____ 03, 15

    _13 __ Gonzo _____________ 81 _ 20 _ 83 ___ 184 ____ 01, 19

    _14 __ Adam240610 ________58 _ 68 _ 54 ___ 180 ____ t11, t09

    _15 __ Pauldry ____________ 58 _ 47 _ 72 ___ 177 ____ t11, 16

    _16 __ DOCARCH __________ 54 _ 50 _ 70 ___ 174 ____ 17, 17

    t 17 __ Mr stonewall ________ 65 _ 59 _ 40 ___ 164 ____ 07, 11

    t 17 __ Bsal _______________41 _ 50 _ 73 ___ 164 ____ t23, t21

    t 19 __ funsterdelux ________ 59 _ 40 _ 62 ___ 161 ____ 10, 20

    t 19 __ Cirrus Business ______35 _ 53 _ 73 ___ 161 ____ 27, 23

    _21 __ dasa29 ____________ 48 _ 43 _ 65 ___ 156 ____ 20, t21

    _22 __ 200motels __________38 _ 65 _ 47 ___ 150 ____ 26, 18

    _23 __ M.T. Cranium _______ 47 _ 37 _ 65 ___ 149 ____ 21, 24

    _24 __ SleetandSnow _______30 _ 41 _ 77 ___ 148 ____ 29, 26

    _25 __ waterways __________55 _ 62 _ 28 ___ 145 ____ 16, 13

    _26 __ Joe Public __________ 41 _ 42 _ 45 ___ 128 ____ t23, 25

    _27 __ sdanseo ____________51 _ --- _ 52 ___ 103 ____ 19, 27

    _28 __ Danno _____________38 _ 10 _ 25 ____ 73 ____ 25, 28

    _29 __ BLIZZARD7 _________10 _ 21 _ 34 ____ 65 ____ 30, 30

    _30 __ Bazlers ____________ 34 _ ---_ --- ____ 34 ____ 28, 29

    _31 __ Tazio ______________--- _ 26 _ --- ____ 26 ____ ---, 31

    ================================================

    Looks like a great contest shaping up with not much spread between first and middle of the table, so far.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭dacogawa


    Provisional scoring for April 2021


    For April? I smell a time-traveller... ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    I was able to verify that the provisional March scoring is accurate, the SUN was in fact very close to the 90% used for scoring, closer to 92% from the numbers available. This would give one additional point to western storm, john mac, waterways and Mr Stonewall. I have amended the annual scoring table as follows, to incorporate those added points.

    Adjusted annual scoring Jan to Mar 2021

    rank _ FORECASTER ________ Jan _Feb _Mar __ TOTAL _ (ranks Jan, Jan-Feb)


    _01 __ JPmarn _____________63 _ 76 _ 69 ___ 208 ____ 08, t03

    _02 __ Kindred Spirit ________58 _ 82 _ 67 ___ 207 ____ t11, 02

    t 03 __ dacogawa ___________79 _ 60 _ 67 ___ 206 ____ 02, t03

    t 03 __ Appledrop __________ 56 _ 75 _ 75 ___ 206 ____ 15, t05

    _05 __ tae laidir ____________67 _ 64 _ 74 ___ 205 ____ t05, t05


    (t05)_____ Con Sensus ______65 _ 59 _ 81 ___ 205 ____(t07), (t11)


    _06 __ Artane2002 _________ 67 _ 48 _ 87 ___ 202 ____ t05, 14

    _07 __ Western Storm _______45 _ 81 _ 74 ___ 200 ____ 22, t09

    _08t__ sryanbruen __________75 _ 76 _ 47 ___ 198 ____ 04, 01

    _08t__ john mac ___________ 62 _ 68 _ 68 ___ 198 ____ 09, 07

    _10 __ MrSkinner __________ 58 _ 63 _ 75 ___ 196 ____ t11, 12


    (11) __ ___ NormaL ________ 59 _ 76 _ 58 ___ 193 ____(t10), (05)


    _11 __ eon1208 ___________ 53 _ 76 _ 62 ___ 191 ____ 18, 08

    _12 __ sunflower3 __________76 _ 37 _ 72 ___ 185 ____ 03, 15

    _13 __ Gonzo _____________ 81 _ 20 _ 83 ___ 184 ____ 01, 19

    _14 __ Adam240610 ________58 _ 68 _ 54 ___ 180 ____ t11, t09

    _15 __ Pauldry ____________ 58 _ 47 _ 72 ___ 177 ____ t11, 16

    _16 __ DOCARCH __________ 54 _ 50 _ 70 ___ 174 ____ 17, 17

    _17 __ Mr stonewall ________ 65 _ 59 _ 41 ___ 165 ____ 07, 11

    _18 __ Bsal _______________41 _ 50 _ 73 ___ 164 ____ t23, t21

    t 19 __ funsterdelux ________ 59 _ 40 _ 62 ___ 161 ____ 10, 20

    t 19 __ Cirrus Business ______35 _ 53 _ 73 ___ 161 ____ 27, 23

    _21 __ dasa29 ____________ 48 _ 43 _ 65 ___ 156 ____ 20, t21

    _22 __ 200motels __________38 _ 65 _ 47 ___ 150 ____ 26, 18

    _23 __ M.T. Cranium _______ 47 _ 37 _ 65 ___ 149 ____ 21, 24

    _24 __ SleetandSnow _______30 _ 41 _ 77 ___ 148 ____ 29, 26

    _25 __ waterways __________55 _ 62 _ 29 ___ 146 ____ 16, 13

    _26 __ Joe Public __________ 41 _ 42 _ 45 ___ 128 ____ t23, 25

    _27 __ sdanseo ____________51 _ --- _ 52 ___ 103 ____ 19, 27

    _28 __ Danno _____________38 _ 10 _ 25 ____ 73 ____ 25, 28

    _29 __ BLIZZARD7 _________10 _ 21 _ 34 ____ 65 ____ 30, 30

    _30 __ Bazlers ____________ 34 _ ---_ --- ____ 34 ____ 28, 29

    _31 __ Tazio ______________--- _ 26 _ --- ____ 26 ____ ---, 31

    ================================================


  • Registered Users Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    The Leader Board of cumulative yearly scores for each of the categories. Penalties disregarded.
    TEMP
    65 Kindred Spirit
    64 Jpmarn
    61 Adam240610
    61 Tae laidir
    60 john mac
    59 WesternStorm
    MAX
    49 Dacogawa
    49 Tae laidir
    47 DOCARCH
    46 pauldry
    45 Gonzo
    MIN
    49 Sunflower3
    46 Dacogawa
    46 Adam240610
    46 Jpmarn
    42 Con Sensus
    41 Artane2002
    PRC
    36 Kindred Spirit
    33 Bsal
    31 Eon1208
    30 john mac
    30 Dasa29
    30 Tae laidir
    SUN
    28 john mac
    27 NormaL
    27 WesternStorm
    27 Sunflower3
    26 Eon1208
    26 Funsterdelux
    BONUS
    26 Appledrop
    25 200motels
    25 sryanbruen
    23 NormaL
    22 WesternStorm


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Do you have those for every regular entrant or do you just add up the possible top ten after a look? I find it helpful to see what areas need the most work, and the bottom half of the pack need the help most. Maybe we should have a more complex scoring summary for the annual updates. It would be good to show the maximum possible score too, for IMT that would be 75, for MAX and MIN 60, for PRC 45 and for SUN 30. Bonus also 30 except you can sometimes pick up superbonus points.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Yes, I maintain a total for each category for each entrant. I could publish all data, but this would be 6 Categories X 31 entrants = 192 lines including titles, if they were to be in score order. Alternatively, I could publish a table similar to your Annual Scoring (Categories V Entrants), but perhaps we would lose the rankings. I welcome your suggestions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Maybe a format like this (numbers are made up):

    Forecaster _________ IMT _MAX _MIN _PRC _SUN __ Bonus __ Pen __ Total

    Leader ____________ 71 __ 55 __ 54 __ 39 __ 27 __ 26 ____ -2 ____ 270

    ... and that should match the annual summary total points. I realize the ranks are not given explicitly, perhaps it could look like this:

    Leader ____________ 71 __ 55 __ 54 __ 39 __ 27 __ 26 ____ -2 ____ 270
    ranks ______________1 ___ 2 ___ 2 ___ 4 ___ 1 ___ 2 ____ -- ______ 1

    Second ____________ 69 __ 56 __ 55 __ 38 __ 24 __ 24 ____ 0 _____ 266
    ranks _____________ 2 ___ 1 ___ 1 ___ 5 ___ 4 ___ 5 _____-- _____ 2

    ... I don't want to make this too time-consuming for you, and I don't want to take over if you get my drift, but at the same time I think it's a valuable addition to scoring and I think I did provide it once a few years ago.

    ... Also, did you notice that I adjusted four SUN scores (up by one point) in March without reproducing the scoring table, but I did adjust the annual scoring table, so there's four people with that one extra point. You may have spotted that and added the one point for those four.


  • Registered Users Posts: 707 ✭✭✭Tae laidir


    Yes, I adjusted the revised SUN Scores.
    I had a look at your suggestions. Unfortunately, I think Ranking is above my capabilities, as is your 10/12 scoring.
    Have a look at the attached. Formatting Tables in Boards appears to be a Black Art, one which I don't wish to master!
    You will note that my scores (TOT) do not take Penalties into account, as I wouldn't know to which category they should be applied. (TOT - PEN = ACT).
    I could continue to post the Highest Ranking for each category?
    Let me know what you think, and if you have any further suggestions.

    TMP MX MIN PRC SUN BNS TOT ACT PEN
    075 060 060 045 030 030 300 300 000 Max Score
    064 036 046 027 019 018 210 208 002 Jpmarn
    065 039 034 036 018 015 207 207 000 Kindred Spirit
    050 043 034 029 024 026 206 206 000 Appledrop
    049 049 046 023 025 014 206 206 000 Dacogawa
    051 044 042 026 023 019 205 205 000 Con Sensus
    061 049 023 030 024 018 205 205 000 Tae laidir
    053 043 041 022 023 020 202 202 000 Artane2002
    059 033 033 026 026 022 199 199 000 WesternStorm
    056 039 030 023 025 025 198 198 000 sryanbruen
    060 025 034 030 028 021 198 198 000 john mac
    053 044 036 020 024 019 196 196 000 Mr Skinner
    054 030 030 029 027 023 193 193 000 NormaL
    051 024 038 031 026 021 191 191 000 Eon1208
    037 037 049 023 027 015 188 185 003 Sunflower3
    043 045 034 022 022 018 184 184 000 Gonzo
    061 039 046 014 012 015 187 180 007 Adam240610
    047 046 021 020 024 019 177 177 000 pauldry
    032 047 027 028 023 017 174 174 000 DOCARCH
    047 033 036 017 015 016 164 164 000 Mrstonewall
    042 028 022 033 024 015 164 164 000 Bsal
    037 029 038 022 026 016 168 161 007 Funsterdelux
    053 026 018 028 023 013 161 161 000 CirrusBusiness
    049 011 031 030 022 013 156 156 000 Dasa29
    043 035 017 022 021 011 149 149 000 M.T. Cranium
    028 035 021 025 024 017 150 148 002 SleetAndSnow
    039 018 015 028 025 025 150 147 003 200motels
    048 024 023 008 024 020 147 145 002 waterways
    021 032 034 018 015 010 130 128 002 Joe Public
    037 016 010 020 013 012 108 103 005 sdanseo
    024 014 000 023 002 005 068 073 000 Danno
    016 017 000 021 006 004 064 065 000 BLIZZARD7
    019 000 000 005 010 000 034 034 000 Bazlers
    001 000 012 008 005 002 028 026 002 Tazio


    P.S. I am unable to reconcile 200Motels score.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Great, I will take a look and see what I can find out about 200motels' score.

    This is a great addition to the contest scoring and can help anybody get better, I think, with identification of weaknesses.

    On occasion I add up scores incorrectly, despite going over the sums after the first effort. That has applied in the past to monthly additions and annual additions.

    This category scoring would not lend itself to the best 10/12 format for tracking very easily since you'd be swamped with extra work looking for months to exclude. So let's not go down that rabbit hole.

    Will post again if I find out anything about that score.

    (later) ... I had a look, can't see any problem with your totals for 200motels which match the contest scoring. Any chance you meant to say BLIZZARD7? The one point differential there is caused by contest rule applied in January, minimum score 10. (the categories added up to 9, which explains the difference ... could say a penalty of -1 meaning one point added).

    Also your scores for Danno didn't reconcile at first look, so I went back into the three months and found the same reason, Feb raw score 05 was adjusted to 10. So his "penalty" entry would be -5.

    It's an un-penalty, something George Orwell didn't think of (and there wasn't much).


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    This is an expanded version of the category scoring. Thanks to tae laidir for the work done on this presentation. I think we also have a new entrant, "Max Possible." You can beat Max with superbonus points.

    Forecaster ___ IMT_MAX_MIN_PRC_SUN_BNS Tot Act (Pen)

    Max Possible __ 075 060 060 045 030 030+ 300 300 000 Max Possible

    Jpmarn ______ 064 036 046 027 019 018 _210 208 002 _Jpmarn
    Kindred Spirit _ 065 039 034 036 018 015 _207 207 000 _Kindred Spirit
    Appledrop ____ 050 043 034 029 024 026 _206 206 000 _Appledrop
    Dacogawa ____ 049 049 046 023 025 014 _206 206 000 _Dacogawa
    Tae laidir _____ 061 049 023 030 024 018 _205 205 000 _Tae laidir

    _ Con Sensus __051 044 042 026 023 019 _205 205 000 __Con Sensus

    Artane2002 ___ 053 043 041 022 023 020 _202 202 000 _Artane2002
    Western Storm_ 059 033 033 026 026 022 _199 199 000 _WesternStorm
    sryanbruen ____056 039 030 023 025 025 _198 198 000 _sryanbruen
    john mac _____ 060 025 034 030 028 021 _198 198 000 _john mac
    MrSkinner _____053 044 036 020 024 019 _196 196 000 _Mr Skinner

    _ NormaL _____054 030 030 029 027 023 _193 193 000 __NormaL

    Eon1208 _____ 051 024 038 031 026 021 _191 191 000 _Eon1208
    Sunflower3 ___ 037 037 049 023 027 015 _188 185 003 _Sunflower3
    Gonzo _______ 043 045 034 022 022 018 _184 184 000 _Gonzo
    Adam240610 __061 039 046 014 012 015 _187 180 007 _Adam240610
    pauldry ______ 047 046 021 020 024 019 _177 177 000 _pauldry
    DOCARCH ____ 032 047 027 028 023 017 _174 174 000 _DOCARCH
    MrStonewall ___047 033 036 017 015 016 _164 164 000 _MrStonewall
    Bsal _________ 042 028 022 033 024 015 _164 164 000 _Bsal
    Funsterdelux __ 037 029 038 022 026 016 _168 161 007 _Funsterdelux
    CirrusBusiness_ 053 026 018 028 023 013 _161 161 000 _CirrusBusiness
    Dasa29 ______ 049 011 031 030 022 013 _156 156 000 _Dasa29
    M.T. Cranium __043 035 017 022 021 011 _149 149 000 _M.T. Cranium
    SleetAndSnow _028 035 021 025 024 017 _150 148 002 _SleetAndSnow
    200motels ____039 018 015 028 025 025 _150 147 003 _200motels
    waterways ____048 024 023 008 024 020 _147 145 002 _waterways
    Joe Public ____ 021 032 034 018 015 010 _130 128 002 _Joe Public
    sdanseo ______037 016 010 020 013 012 _108 103 005 _sdanseo (2/3)
    Danno _______ 024 014 000 023 002 005 _068 073 -005_Danno
    BLIZZARD7 ___ 016 017 000 021 006 004 _064 065 -001_BLIZZARD7
    Bazlers _______019 000 000 005 010 000 _034 034 000 _Bazlers (1/3)
    Tazio ________ 001 000 012 008 005 002 _028 026 002 _Tazio (1/3)
    _______________________________________

    Note: A negative penalty is a score adjustment for minimum score (10).
    Contest rank is based on "Act" (actual), "Tot" is category total score before penalty or adjustment.
    The three entrants with one or two contest totals are identified at end of row.

    (To judge their performance, it would be necessary to multiply by 3 for the 1/3 and by 1.5 for the 2/3, then those results would be comparable to the rest).


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    What to do during the wait for the rain delay at the Masters? Well here's a stab at the rankings for those category scores ...

    Ranks for the three who have one or two contests only are shown in brackets, based on the adjustments mentioned to compare them directly. So they don't bump anyone with a rank below theirs, just like Con Sensus and NormaL. (by rank below we mean a higher numbered rank). Max Possible drops out of this table altogether. The penalty adjustments are not shown. Tot and Act scores are ranked. Con Sensus and NormaL can tie with forecasters in the table, and do not affect lower ranks (higher rank numbers), but forecasters who tie with only Con or Norma are not shown tied (only where tied with other forecasters). Adjusted scores of part-time entrants are not shown tied.

    Also, "tot" ranks are adjusted for part-time entrants, "act" (actual) are just the raw contest ranks.

    Anyone can use these ranking tables to figure out where they could improve their contest scoring. It's an oddity that our two leaders have not done particularly well with SUN, meanwhile almost everyone has one category where they do better than their overall performance.

    Forecaster ___ IMT_MAX_MIN_PRC_SUN_BNS Tot Act


    Jpmarn ______ 02_ 13_ 02t_11_ 22_ 11t____01__01 _Jpmarn
    Kindred Spirit _ 01_ 09t 10t_ 01_ 23_ 18t____02__02 _Kindred Spirit
    Appledrop ____ 12_ 07t 10t_ 07_ 09t 01____t03 _ t03 _Appledrop
    Dacogawa ____ 13t 01t 02t_ 14t 06t_ 22____t03 _ t03 _Dacogawa
    Tae laidir _____ 03t 01t_ 19t 04t 09t_ 11t____05__05 _Tae laidir

    _ Con Sensus __(11t)06t)05)12t)16t) 09t___(t05)_(t05) __Con Sensus

    Artane2002 ___ 08t 07t_ 05_ 18t_16t 07t___ 06__06 _Artane2002
    Western Storm_ 06_ 17_ 15_ 12_ 03t 04____07__07 _WesternStorm
    sryanbruen ____07_ 09t 17_ 14t 06t_ 02t___t08_ t08 _sryanbruen
    john mac _____ 05_ 21_ 10t 04t 01 05t____ t08 _ t08 _john mac
    MrSkinner _____08t 06_ 08t 23t 09t 09t____10__10 _Mr Skinner

    _ NormaL _____(08)(19)(17t)07t)02t)04)___(11)(11)__NormaL

    Eon1208 _____ 11_ 23t 06t 03_ 03t_ 05t ___ 11__11 _Eon1208
    Sunflower3 ___ 22t 12_ 01_ 14t_02_ 18t____12__12 _Sunflower3
    Gonzo _______ 18t 05_ 10t 18t_ 19t_11t____14__13 _Gonzo
    Adam240610 __03t 09t_ 02t 27_ 26_ 18t____13__14 _Adam240610
    pauldry ______ 16t 04_ 22t 23t_ 09t_09t____15__15 _pauldry
    DOCARCH ____ 24_ 03_ 18_ 08t 16t_14t____16__16 _DOCARCH
    MrStonewall ___16t 16_ 08t 26_ 24t_ 16t____t18_ t17 _MrStonewall
    Bsal _________ 20_ 20_ 21_ 02_ 09t 18t____t18_ t17 _Bsal
    Funsterdelux __ 22t 19_ 06t 18t_ 03t_16t___ 17_ t19 _Funsterdelux
    CirrusBusiness_ 08t 22_ 24_ 08t 16t_ 23t____ 20_ t19 _CirrusBusiness
    Dasa29 ______ 13t 28_ 16_ 04t 19t_ 23t____ 21__21 _Dasa29
    M.T. Cranium __18t 14t_ 25_ 18t_ 21_25____ 24__22 _M.T. Cranium
    SleetAndSnow _25_ 14t 22t_ 13_ 09t 14t____ 23__23 _SleetAndSnow
    200motels ____21_ 25_ 26_ 08t 06t_ 02t ____22__24 _200motels
    waterways ____15_ 23t 19t_ 28_ 09t 07t ____ 25__25 _waterways
    Joe Public ____ 27_ 18_ 10t 25_ 24t _26 ____ 26__26 _Joe Public
    sdanseo ______(09)(23)(26)(04)(22)(11)___ (20)_27 _sdanseo (2/3)
    Danno _______ 26_ 27_ 27t 14t 28_ 27 ____ 27__28 _Danno
    BLIZZARD7 ___ 28_ 26_ 27t 22_ 27_28 ____ 28__29 _BLIZZARD7
    Bazlers ______ (07)(29)(27)(26)(01) 000___(27)_ 30_Bazlers (1/3)
    Tazio ________ (29)(29)(08)(14)(24) 002___(27)_ 31_Tazio (1/3)
    _______________________________________


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,105 ✭✭✭John mac


    are these rankings over the whole period of the contest? or just this year.

    so from my reading of the table i need to improve my MAX temp , (21) then min(t10) etc ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭M.T. Cranium


    Yes, the ranks are just for this year, using the totals worked out by tae laidir (previous post). And you are correct about the interpretation. I think we might keep this reporting up but perhaps after each quarter of the contest, so not quite on the seasonal timetable, but after March, June, September and then maybe more often towards the end.


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