How long ago has Southside vs Northside been a thing?

21Savage · 17-01-2018 4:15pm #1

I should say it actually doesn't even seem to be that much of a thing anymore, if it ever was. There's no way of any rivalry really developing unless you play GAA or something but I'm interested to know when it first began to be a thing. My dad is from North Inner city and he has no memory of having any sort of feeling towards the 'southside'.

[Deleted User] · 17-01-2018 4:17pm

21Savage wrote: »

I should say it actually doesn't even seem to be that much of a thing anymore, if it ever was. There's no way of any rivalry really developing unless you play GAA or something but I'm interested to know when it first began to be a thing. My dad is from North Inner city and he has no memory of having any sort of feeling towards the 'southside'.

I thought they had gotten rid of that by just replacing TS and TN with a simple T?

Riskymove · 17-01-2018 4:18pm

its always been more banter than any real rivalry

I mean neighbouring GAA clubs would be far more rivals than a northside club vs southside club

I also think that those from the city centre wouldn't really be part of it...its more of a suburban thing

knucklehead6 · 17-01-2018 4:19pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-o-7MmhqNfA

Mutant z · 17-01-2018 4:20pm

I presume as long as townie and culchie has been a thing.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 4:23pm

Do you mean just with regards GAA? In terms of social or class divide it dates back centuries to when the aristocracy moved across the river to the southside and it was established as the wealthy side. It was originally the north that was where the wealthiest people live but then places like merrion square and stephens green were built

frag420 · 17-01-2018 4:24pm

Ever since they bridged the Liffey...

Lodger81 · 17-01-2018 4:26pm

Always seemed to be a southside thing to me. As a northsider i never gave the southside a sceond thought until i went to school there and got the whole "oh, you're a Northsider" reaction, was mostly banter anyway.

Mickeroo · 17-01-2018 4:27pm

It died out a fair bit after Tupac was killed.

The Backwards Man · 17-01-2018 4:29pm

All Dubs to me.

vicwatson · 17-01-2018 4:30pm

Since the culchies moved in and tried creating a divide

benjamin d · 17-01-2018 4:33pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Do you mean just with regards GAA? In terms of social or class divide it dates back centuries to when the aristocracy moved across the river to the southside and it was established as the wealthy side. It was originally the north that was where the wealthiest people live but then places like merrion square and stephens green were built

I was reading about this before and it's pretty fascinating. The northside around Parnell and Mountjoy squares were the fancy spots until Leinster house was built in the early 19th century, then all the rich folk followed over Southside and the Georgian northside buildings were converted to tenements, hence becoming the "rough" side. I may have the finer points of that wrong but that's roughly it.

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:33pm

Northside vs Southside stereotypes fall fairly easily today when you compare Castleknock, Portmarnock and Malahide to Crumlin, Clondalkin and Tallaght. If there's a real divide now, it's East and West.

Historically, I think the dockers lived on the Northside and the more affluent on the South. The Southside having a more prestigious postcode led to Áras an Uachtaráin falling in the more favorable D8 region.

benjamin d · 17-01-2018 4:36pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Northside vs Southside steroetypes fall fairly easily when you compare Castleknock, Portmarnock and Malahide to Crumlin, Clondalkin and Tallaght. If there's a real divide, it's East and West.

It stands up ok when you compare just the city centre though, insofar as a stereotype means anything. Obviously it's not going to apply across the board.

Pherekydes · 17-01-2018 4:38pm

When the southside discovered that the only airport was on the northside! That, and the GPO, Croker, Santry Stadium, the Phoenix Park, the zoo...

Suck it up, southsiders!

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:42pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

When the southside discovered that the only airport was on the northside! That, and the GPO, Croker, Santry Stadium, the Phoenix Park, the zoo...

Suck it up, southsiders!

A real coup that one.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 4:43pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Northside vs Southside stereotypes fall fairly easily today when you compare Castleknock, Portmarnock and Malahide to Crumlin, Clondalkin and Tallaght. If there's a real divide now, it's East and West.

Historically, I think the dockers lived on the Northside and the more affluent on the South. The Southside having a more prestigious postcode led to Áras an Uachtaráin falling in the more favorable D8 region.

Yeh and even with the east west thing you have sheriff street areas east and kimainham and castleknock west. Really Dublin is a big mixed bag..theres a very large concentration of wealth in the south east of the city clearly. If I had to say there was a trend Id say along the dart line is the wealthiest part of the city
Overall its a very majority middle class city, theres hardly any really bad areas

Skylinehead · 17-01-2018 4:47pm

I live inside the M50 and yet am neither Northside nor Southside :cool:

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:48pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

I live inside the M50 and yet am neither Northside nor Southside :cool:

Do you live in a houseboat on the Liffey?

Pherekydes · 17-01-2018 4:49pm

Omackeral wrote: »

A real coup that one.

"But we have Belfield! Or as it's now called, the UCD Cor Pork."

Yep, they win.

Your Face · 17-01-2018 4:49pm

Since cliched stereotypes were renewed.

So probably around 1591.

Jawgap · 17-01-2018 4:50pm

It's only been a thing since 1948 - since we started electing northsiders as Taoisigh

Skylinehead · 17-01-2018 4:51pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Do you live in a houseboat on the Liffey?

Not quite, an island. Sort of.

wakka12 · 17-01-2018 4:52pm

Even thought the wealth divide isn't that big anymore overall I think the legacy is continuing mostly because people on either side of the city have developed such incredibly different accents on average( I know theres plenty of acceptiions)

I wonder if theres any other place in the world where two sides of a city have developed such starkly different accents

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-01-2018 4:53pm

Liberty Boys V Ormond Boys late 18th Century

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:54pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Not quite, an island. Sort of.

Oh yeah.

Harry Palmr · 17-01-2018 4:54pm

Here in Waterford we talk of little else.

Omackeral · 17-01-2018 4:56pm

wakka12 wrote: »

I wonder if theres any other place in the world where two sides of a city have developed such starkly different accents

There's no real such thing as a 'Northside' and 'Southside' accent. A chap from Finglas sounds the same as a chap from Drimnagh.

Cushie Butterfield · 17-01-2018 5:02pm

Omackeral wrote:

The Southside having a more prestigious postcode led to Áras an Uachtaráin falling in the more favorable D8 region.

The reason the Áras is in D8 is that it was served by the James’s St sorting office simply because it was closer/more convenient than Phibsboro sorting office - this was way before postal codes even existed.

When codes were eventually introduced James’s St continued to sort the Áras post so it was deemed to be in Dublin 8.

Nothing to do with prestige!

Tombo2001 · 17-01-2018 5:03pm

The 1700s actually.

The northside used to be the posh part.

Mountjoy Square and Henrietta St were the posh areas in particular.

Merrion Square was built in the late 1700s and was seen as a new emerging area but less established than Mountjoy Square.

Then - and sorry for not knowing exact dates - a member of the Anglo Irish gentry married a peripheral member of the British Royal Family around that time; a 'princess' as it were. A celebrity in her day.

She moved to Dublin, and the happy couple chose to live in Merrion Square.

The baromoter of what was fashionable swung across the river.

Ever since then, the nobs live on the Southside and normal people live on the Northside.

Beta Ray Bill · 17-01-2018 5:11pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Not quite, an island. Sort of.

Neptune House?

The Weir is on the North Side so the "Island" belongs to us! (IE De Nort Side)

How long ago has Southside vs Northside been a thing?

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