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UFC253 - Undefeated vs Undefeated

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  • #32
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,506 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Costa made the same mistake many have made before him,
    They get to the big dance and all of a sudden try to change what they are and what got them there,
    He is a super aggressive beast who made it there by being on the front foot and going after everyone ,

    Get a title fight against Izzy and decided to wait and stand off effectively it becomes a case of trying to beat Izzy at his own game ,
    Absolute crazy form him and his coaches, Sometimes you have to trust your own style , he has ended up thinking to much about what Izzy can do and not what he can do,

    A long time ago but Anderson use to have the same effect on people,
    Then Sonnen came around and just ignored everything Anderson was doing concentrated on his own game and came within a whisker of beating him, That you have to trust your own skill set and not get caught trying to match Izzy's


  • #33
    jim o doom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    Look's like Adesanya may have been indulging in some sort of steroid use given the boob he is currently growing. There are short term steroids that are out of your system in two days which would allow him to test clean. Sort of stuff you'd see in bodybuilders, not the UFC.


  • #34
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Esse85


    jim o doom wrote: »
    Look's like Adesanya may have been indulging in some sort of steroid use given the boob he is currently growing. There are short term steroids that are out of your system in two days which would allow him to test clean. Sort of stuff you'd see in bodybuilders, not the UFC.

    He deflected that question in one of the interviews and said along the lines of "don't be looking at my titties" he could easily of explained why his right nipple looked off.


  • #35
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,482 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I think this thing about Costa not going all out is a bit off.
    He tried to come in plenty of times but got kicked and hit in the face. He got in once or twice but Izzy shook him off and got back to distance again.
    Everytime he got close to Adesanya the speed of Izzy won the day.


  • #36
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Costa made the same mistake many have made before him,
    They get to the big dance and all of a sudden try to change what they are and what got them there,
    He is a super aggressive beast who made it there by being on the front foot and going after everyone ,

    Get a title fight against Izzy and decided to wait and stand off effectively it becomes a case of trying to beat Izzy at his own game ,
    Absolute crazy form him and his coaches, Sometimes you have to trust your own style , he has ended up thinking to much about what Izzy can do and not what he can do,

    A long time ago but Anderson use to have the same effect on people,
    Then Sonnen came around and just ignored everything Anderson was doing concentrated on his own game and came within a whisker of beating him, That you have to trust your own skill set and not get caught trying to match Izzy's

    We seen in the Gastelum fight that Izzy can be got if you keep pressure on him. Kelvin landed the big looping overhand at will in that fight, also nearly knocked him out with a headkick. For this reason I thought Costa could win but as you said, completely abandoned the style that got him to a titlle fight. Sickening


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  • #37
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Love how Izzy just fought Paulo Costa and we're wondering whether it was Izzy who was juicing :pac:


  • #38
    Esse85
    Registered Users Posts: 8,235 ✭✭✭Esse85


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Love how Izzy just fought Paulo Costa and we're wondering whether it was Izzy who was juicing :pac:

    Based on Costas performance, he'd want a new juice supplier.


  • #39
    Whelo79
    Registered Users Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Whelo79


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Costa made the same mistake many have made before him,
    They get to the big dance and all of a sudden try to change what they are and what got them there,
    He is a super aggressive beast who made it there by being on the front foot and going after everyone ,

    Get a title fight against Izzy and decided to wait and stand off effectively it becomes a case of trying to beat Izzy at his own game ,
    Absolute crazy form him and his coaches, Sometimes you have to trust your own style , he has ended up thinking to much about what Izzy can do and not what he can do,

    A long time ago but Anderson use to have the same effect on people,
    Then Sonnen came around and just ignored everything Anderson was doing concentrated on his own game and came within a whisker of beating him, That you have to trust your own skill set and not get caught trying to match Izzy's

    Spot on.


  • #40
    xtal191
    Registered Users Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭xtal191


    Was Vettori Adesanyas most competitive fight?


  • #41
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    xtal191 wrote: »
    Was Vettori Adesanyas most competitive fight?

    It was a split decision but I think Kelvin gave him most trouble, had him in real trouble a few times and dropped him twice.


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  • #42
    jim o doom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Love how Izzy just fought Paulo Costa and we're wondering whether it was Izzy who was juicing :pac:

    Yeah man Izzy had clear Gynecomastia on his right pectoral - something very strongly linked to steroid use. Steroids like test suspension are out of a body in two days. However the drugs body builders take to suppress gyno stay in the body and would show up in a drug test, so he couldn't take those.

    Gynecomastia can be caused by other medical conditions - and if it was, why wouldn't he just mention that during the post fight interview, instead of deflecting the question?


  • #43
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    jim o doom wrote: »
    Look's like Adesanya may have been indulging in some sort of steroid use given the boob he is currently growing.
    It's always been a bit odd on the right if you look at photos. Even when he is really lean , the right pec muscle is different.
    There are short term steroids that are out of your system in two days which would allow him to test clean. Sort of stuff you'd see in bodybuilders, not the UFC.
    Why would bodybuilders go for short term steroids?
    Seems pointless for bofybuilders, but exactly the thing that athletes wouldbe after.


  • #44
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users Posts: 20,506 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Mellor wrote: »
    It's always been a bit odd on the right if you look at photos. Even when he is really lean , the right pec muscle is different.


    Why would bodybuilders go for short term steroids?
    Seems pointless for bofybuilders, but exactly the thing that athletes wouldbe after.


    Some bodybuilding comps are tested and your suppose to be clean so it works well for them ,

    Like a fighter they can't take the agents that help you not develop Gyno as they also show up in your system as banned substances,
    Also a large amount of steroid users who are are young and stupid and have no idea of what they are doing or the side effects or how to avoid gyno


  • #45
    Mellor
    Registered Users Posts: 38,998 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Some bodybuilding comps are tested and your suppose to be clean so it works well for them
    Very few, “natural” body building comps are tested, no pro comps afaik.
    But I imagine close to zero do out of comp testing. So it kinda of removes a main benefit of fast clearing drugs when nobody is going to walk you to piss in a cup at 7am mid cycle.

    I mean I’m sure they’ll take whatever is available. I just can’t imagine natural bodybuilders having the resources if Lance Armstrong. But admittedly dint know the cost of the PEDs in question.


  • #46
    Hello 2D Person Below
    Registered Users Posts: 13,755 ✭✭✭✭Hello 2D Person Below





    This Dr. discusses the chest. Fast forward to 7:00


  • #47
    jim o doom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    Hello 2D Person Below wrote: »

    This Dr. discusses the chest. Fast forward to 7:00

    Very interesting that it's only affecting one side as the man in the video says, makes me think twice about whether or not it is steroid use.


  • #48
    jim o doom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    Coach Greg has very different views on this, he's a bodybuilder who provides examples of unilateral gyno and in fact even had it himself and had surgery to remove it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRrabrto9w&ab_channel=GregDoucette


  • #49
    Alf Veedersane
    Registered Users Posts: 24,550 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    jim o doom wrote: »
    Coach Greg has very different views on this, he's a bodybuilder who provides examples of unilateral gyno and in fact even had it himself and had surgery to remove it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRrabrto9w&ab_channel=GregDoucette

    He really needs to have subtitles on his videos


  • #50
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    jim o doom wrote: »
    Coach Greg has very different views on this, he's a bodybuilder who provides examples of unilateral gyno and in fact even had it himself and had surgery to remove it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPRrabrto9w&ab_channel=GregDoucette

    He looks and sounds like a juiced up Gilbert Gottfried.


  • #51
    jim o doom
    Registered Users Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭jim o doom


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    He looks and sounds like a juiced up Gilbert Gottfried.

    He really does.


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  • #52
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Homelander


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    He looks and sounds like a juiced up Gilbert Gottfried.


    That was my conclusion about 5 seconds in.


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