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area question on parish records

  • 21-03-2020 3:05pm
    #1
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭


    Hey,



    anyone know where BESSBOROUGH CO DUBLIN would be in NLI parish records. Thanks. more time on my hands like everyone and using it wisely.
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  • #2
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Not Bessborough avenue?
    Can't think of a Bessborough area in Dublin.

    There is a Bessboro apartment complex in Terenure which may be named after something existing in the area, but I'm not familiar with that part of town.


  • #3
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    I have a married cert on Irish genealogy and address is BESSBOROUGH CO DUBLIN , can't find a birth cert for him.... will see where tereneure is covered in nli parish records. thanks.


  • #4
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    St. Joseph's for Terenure, on NLI with baptisms from 1870


  • #5
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    btw - old name for Terenure was Roundtown

    familiar with the area, but cant think of anywhere historic called Bessborough


  • #6
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    Thanks all... it was 1844... will try roots ireland as terenure only starts at 1870.


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  • #7
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    if he was born in the area then possibly Rathfarnham or Rathmines parishes then, dont think RootsIreland have either

    What was this guy's occupation on the marriage cert ?


  • #8
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    I know he was a policeman but doesn't say on marriage record.


  • #9
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    there's a Bessborough Parade between Ranelagh and Rathmines, not to far away, goes between the Tennis Club in Mount Pleasent Square and Rathmines Church

    If he was a policeman I think his service record should say which county he was born in, probably DMP if he served in Dublin, I think their records include a specific parish and county of birth


  • #10
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    found a Bessborough, presumably house, on Terenure Road West, look on the old OSI maps, about where the Laurels is now


  • #11
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Can I assist with a lookup in Jim Herlihy's DMP book, or the RIC records?


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  • #12
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    There may be some clues in directories if this guy actually lived at this Bessborough or was linked to the resident family, rather than just worked in some capacity or lodged there


  • #13
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    spurious wrote: »
    Can I assist with a lookup in Jim Herlihy's DMP book, or the RIC records?

    I think I've seen that DMP book, does it give civil parishes as well as county ?


  • #14
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    spurious if you can look up please. His name was Patrick O'Neill or Neill and parents was Patrick and Dora according to his marriage cert.


  • #15
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    here's a link to the civil marriage record 1880, gives his occupation as acting sergeant


  • #16
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    Bessborough Barracks, Phoenix park. The DMP were based there. https://www.buildingsofireland.ie/buildings-search/building/50060026/bessboro-lodge-west-phoenix-park-ashtown-gate-road-castleknock-within-phoenix-park-dublin-8-dublin-city


  • #17
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Do you think he was DMP or RIC? Was it his marriage in 1844?
    (Just to get a time frame)

    **edit just saw last few posts, thanks


  • #18
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    his parents address on the church record looks like Kilgorvan, Co. Kildare ?


  • #19
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    ath262 my goodness.... why couldn't i find this.................. Thank you soooooooooo much


  • #20
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    full age at marriage in 1880, presuming it's the right guy, bride is Anastasia Burke, marriage Haddington Rd.


  • #21
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Could it be this one?
    Patrick Neill DMP 6622 born 1839, RC, Kilcullen, Co. Kildare, died 1887?


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  • #22
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    ath262 wrote: »
    his parents address on the church record looks like Kilgorvan, Co. Kildare ?

    Think that's Kilgowan


  • #23
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    Vetch wrote: »
    Think that's Kilgowan


    was just double checking that and think the same..


  • #24
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    The 1887 policeman's death is on this page:
    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06206/4775402.pdf


  • #25
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    here - parents Pat and Dolly, 20th Aug 1839 Kilcullen


  • #26
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    spurious wrote: »
    The 1887 policeman's death is on this page:
    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06206/4775402.pdf


    He lived in Ebenezer Terrace - just off Donore Avenue [between Cork St and South Circular Road]


  • #27
    ath262
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭ath262


    ath262 wrote: »
    here - parents Pat and Dolly, 20th Aug 1839 Kilcullen


    forgot to mention, mother's surname is not noted in the baptism register. Sponsors for Pat jnr. appear to be another Pat Neill and Judy Bagner


  • #28
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,103 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Possible death of the father Pat in 1883.
    https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06377/4830220.pdf

    it might be worth 4 euro to have a look at the death for a Dorah Neil in 1873, Naas.


  • #29
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    Sorry Have been off line, thanks for replies, catching up no.


  • #30
    JDERIC2017
    Registered Users Posts: 191 ✭✭JDERIC2017


    spurious wrote: »
    Could it be this one?
    Patrick Neill DMP 6622 born 1839, RC, Kilcullen, Co. Kildare, died 1887?




    PATRICK NEILL , died 17th Jul 1887... where did you find that info? anything else on him.


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  • #31
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    JDERIC2017 wrote: »
    PATRICK NEILL , died 17th Jul 1887... where did you find that info? anything else on him.


    The death record is online at Irish Genealogy. If you click on this link you will see the record https://bit.ly/33GxSIK - you may have to click that you're not a robot and then type in your name to access the record.

    Name PATRICK NEILL Date of Death 1887 Group Registration ID 6761073 SR District/Reg Area Dublin South Deceased Age at Death 45
    Image


    Click on "Image" and this will bring you to the page in the Death records.


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