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Latin dispensations

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  • #32
    leck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭leck


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    ... they got the dispensation not from the Archbishop, but from the priest who married them, he having been authorised by the Archbishop to give dispensations on the Archbishop's behalf.

    Peregrinus, thank you very much. I see that this particular priest made a habit of this. A search of rootsireland for other marriages around 1897 showed all the others I looked at (abt half dozen) all had the same note.


  • #33
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    leck wrote: »

    "VI FACULATUM MIHI ARCHREPISCOPO CONCESSARUM DISPENSANTUR IN BANNIS" - DISPENSATION.


    In addition to what Peregrinus has written and the misspelling, it also is 'dog Latin' as even in the mangled syntax of the above phrase it should be 'Vim'. not 'Vi', as it is the accusative case of 'vis', a third declension noun. The poor old priest probably had memories of a lecture on Martin Luther's 'Non vi, sed verbo' .
    PS As I write, Led Zeppelin are on Lyric, bringing me right back tothe era of my Longmans and 'De Bello Gallico' of all those years ago!


  • #34
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    In addition to what Peregrinus has written and the misspelling, it also is 'dog Latin' as even in the mangled syntax of the above phrase it should be 'Vim'. not 'Vi', as it is the accusative case of 'vis', a third declension noun. The poor old priest probably had memories of a lecture on Martin Luther's 'Non vi, sed verbo' .
    PS As I write, Led Zeppelin are on Lyric, bringing me right back tothe era of my Longmans and 'De Bello Gallico' of all those years ago!
    Not accusative, ablative - "by the power of a faculty given to me . . .". I think vi is correct.


  • #35
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Not accusative, ablative - "by the power of a faculty given to me . . .". I think vi is correct.
    I see where you are coming from and it has merit. However, as the dispensation is facilitated ‘through’ the power granted, I inferred that the correct (dropped) preposition should be ‘per’ which would take the accusative (and not ‘a/ab/ex' and the ablative). Hardly worth arguing about:).


  • #36
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users Posts: 26,050 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    . . . Hardly worth arguing about:).
    That consideration has never stopped me. :)


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  • #37
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Stop being pedantic you two!

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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