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UFC on ESPN 5 Covington vs. Lawler Sat 3rd Aug

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    #92
    eagle eye
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    Nigzcurran wrote:
    How? Surely he’ll just take tony down and wreck him like nearly everyone else, I think the Al fight shouldn’t be counted as it looked like Khabib was trying out his standup in preparation for the likes of Conor as he had the fight sewn up and didn’t need or want the early submission
    He will get hit a lot before he gets near Tony. Very hard to take a man down who is constantly firing shots.


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    #93
    Nigzcurran
    Registered Users Posts: 2,680 ✭✭✭Nigzcurran


    eagle eye wrote: »
    He will get hit a lot before he gets near Tony. Very hard to take a man down who is constantly firing shots.

    Don’t think tony will hit him hard enough or worry him enough to stop the takedown, and once your down your pretty much screwed although I would love to see tony do some of his funky stuff off his back while he’s getting raped by khabib


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    #94
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Tony's cardio is miles ahead of Khabib's and he can work off his back or in awkward spots.
    I think Tony is Khabib's hardest fight at lw


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    #95
    weemcd
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    Tony v Khabib is still the fight to make (how many times have they tried to make this one now, three times?) Assuming of course Khabib wins vs Poirier.


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    #96
    Gamb!t
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    Lawler by Sub
    weemcd wrote: »
    Tony v Khabib is still the fight to make (how many times have they tried to make this one now, three times?) Assuming of course Khabib wins vs Poirier.
    4 fights were previously scheduled.
    Would love to see those two battle it out but not holding my breath.


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    #97
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Lawler looked bad in there. He's not too far gone like the like of BJ, Frank Mir, etc but he needs to pack it in before he really starts to ruin the legacy. Colby looked good....wanted him to get his head taken off in R1 but wasn't to be. Lawler had nothing after R1.

    Some good other scraps on the card. Disappointed by Hanna Goldy's showing. Clearly has power but was too reserved. Surprised Jim Miller didn't get a bonus, great showing though I think Clay Guida is also a little past it. Some fighters can stay viable into their later years but don't think he is one of them.

    Haqparast is an exciting prospect. Meerschart....got the win but it wasn't overly earned I didn't think personally.

    Great scrap between Hot Sauce and Ma. Man that guy can take some damage. Was probably the most exciting fight of the card.

    Shevcenko....amazing finish, to pull off a submission from that awkard angle. Great finish from Schnell as well, really got the job done.

    A really good card overall.


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    #98
    Mellor
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    Lawler by Sub
    Homelander wrote: »
    Shevcenko....amazing finish, to pull off a submission from that awkard angle.
    They landed in a funny position. But there was nothing hard about getting the finish from there. He opponent put herself right into the choke.


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    #99
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,954 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    How are these lads eating, Colby only on 45/45k for that fight, he hasn't fought in a year. Shocked he didn't get the 50k performance bonus, that was absolute 5 round clinic.


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    #100
    AlmightyCushion
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    rob316 wrote: »
    How are these lads eating, Colby only on 45/45k for that fight, he hasn't fought in a year. Shocked he didn't get the 50k performance bonus, that was absolute 5 round clinic.

    Performance of the night bonuses usually go to excited fights or finishes. As dominant of a performance as it was, it wasn't an exciting fight even from Colby's side. Lawler basically done nothing all fight and Colby threw a load of soft punches (it was a **** load all right and broke records but there was no power behind them). Even with all the takedowns there was no real ground and pound or decent submission attempts.

    I assume his gym gets 10% of that (isn't 10% the standard?), so it's still 80k before taxes. He'll get a few grand from Rebok as well. A decent wage even for only 1 fight a year. Not amazing but not on the breadline either. Saying that having such a massive swing in your pay based on whether you win or lose when it's at that level of pay is scary. His 'pay' for the year would be halved if he had lost. That's some difference at the money he is on. The UFC really needs to start uping their pay levels. Letting the fighters have some sort of sponsorship on their shorts would help too.


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    #101
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I'm sure he has a few lucrative sponsership deals as well, I don't think the Colby household has any trouble keeping lights on.

    Must be very hard for up and coming fighters though trying to commit to it full time while getting peanuts.


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    #102
    Effects
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    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    He has spoken a lot about a fight with GSP before he retires but that would be a greatest vs greatest type duel..

    Except GSP is retired. Can't see him coming back to fight Khabib.


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    #103
    pastorbarrett
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    POTUS tweeting support for one of the sport's competitors and he's on 45k basic. Not a good look for the organisation.


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    #104
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Effects wrote: »
    Except GSP is retired. Can't see him coming back to fight Khabib.


    Even if he did he's not prime GSP. Not sure it's really fair to match them up now, even if both accepted the fight


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    #105
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,954 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Homelander wrote: »
    I'm sure he has a few lucrative sponsership deals as well, I don't think the Colby household has any trouble keeping lights on.

    Must be very hard for up and coming fighters though trying to commit to it full time while getting peanuts.

    45/45 is awful money for a main event fighter, particularly if he loses. They have enormous expenses as pro fighters, the UFC are still only covering flights and accom. for 1 coach. Its appalling while White gambles millions in casinos around LV.


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    #106
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Yeah, at Colby's level it is terrible in fairness. I see Lawler got 220k....makes sense obviously given his long standing with the UFC but crappy for Colby.


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    #107
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    The Reebok deal really hammered home how **** the pay for fighters is.
    Previously, the sponsorship took the sting out of the ****ty pay, now that it's gone, it's become very hard to make a living from it unless you're very well known/ have external sponsor deals/ been around a while to make more by having fought more.

    Not that Dana gives 2 ****s, mind.


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    #108
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,954 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Ya Reebok deal is terrible, Askren was saying he could get six figures from shorts sponsorship before, he only got 3,500 on his last fight as he's only just in the door.

    I mean a nobody could pick up 20/25k in local sponsorship at a minimum with a televised fight in the UFC.


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    #109
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    It's nonsense moaning that they're not getting paid lads. The money's there if they can earn it. McGregor, Jones, Gsp ect are very wealthy from fighting. That's capitalism. The cream rises to the
    They're aren't forced to fight in the UFC either, or even fight atall.

    Lower tier UFC fighters get much more money than undercard boxers.


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    #110
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Of course not, but 45K for Colby as a high-ranked contender for a main card is pretty crap in fairness.


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    #111
    rob316
    Registered Users Posts: 17,954 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    It's nonsense moaning that they're not getting paid lads. The money's there if they can earn it. McGregor, Jones, Gsp ect are very wealthy from fighting. That's capitalism. The cream rises to the
    They're aren't forced to fight in the UFC either, or even fight atall.

    Lower tier UFC fighters get much more money than undercard boxers.

    He is the number 2 ranked welterweight in the largest MMA promotion in the world. Its ****e pay no matter what way you dress it up. Someone of that caliber should be on a min. of 100k to show.


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    #112
    Ultimate Seduction
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    Homelander wrote: »
    Of course not, but 45K for Colby as a high-ranked contender for a main card is pretty crap in fairness.

    Possibly. That's his an his management fault then if he's not getting what his worth. He isn't popular atall, hated or loved. Just a quick flick through UFCs and ESPN social channels and you'll see he gets very few clicks compared to everyone else


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    #113
    mailburner
    Registered Users Posts: 23,814 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    rob316 wrote: »
    How are these lads eating, Colby only on 45/45k for that fight, he hasn't fought in a year. Shocked he didn't get the 50k performance bonus, that was absolute 5 round clinic.

    Colby is a company man also 😂

    It's disgraceful to be Fair


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    #114
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Possibly. That's his an his management fault then if he's not getting what his worth. He isn't popular atall, hated or loved. Just a quick flick through UFCs and ESPN social channels and you'll see he gets very few clicks compared to everyone else


    Fair point too. Personally I find him boring, guess that says a lot.


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    #115
    Tazzimus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭Tazzimus


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    It's nonsense moaning that they're not getting paid lads. The money's there if they can earn it. McGregor, Jones, Gsp ect are very wealthy from fighting. That's capitalism. The cream rises to the
    They're aren't forced to fight in the UFC either, or even fight atall.

    Lower tier UFC fighters get much more money than undercard boxers.
    McGregor is an exception.

    GSP and Jones probably made money back when they could have sponsors, plus they'll have outside sponsorship deals. Well, GSP will anyway.

    The problem is the lower tier guys being able to afford this as a career to make big money eventually. With that kind of pay and their overheads, it's near impossible.
    There could be contracts that haven't expired yet, that will stop them from being able to fight for other promotions, Dana and co have no trouble throwing money at their legal team to stop people ending their contracts.


    A big part of it is a management issue, also the lack of a union to stand up for the fighters to demand better pay overall.
    The Reebok deal was a disgraceful money grab that ****ed over all but the top .5% of the roster.


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    #116
    Homelander
    Registered Users Posts: 4,345 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Remember when McGregor first appeared in UFC, those iconic white shorts with Joe.ie plastered all over his backside...


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