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Tommy Robinson jailed

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  • #2402
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The correct term is islamophobic, and that he most certainly is.

    Maybe you're right, but I suggest you try living in Luton or somewhere that's highly populated with people who are taking over from the natives.

    Luckily I live rurally and fortunately in my local towns Ennistymon and Ennis the Muslim population have really intergrated well with the locals.
    Great banter, kids mixing well just like when they moved over to the UK in the 70's and 80's

    Hopefully it'll stay that way.

    I lived in Birkenhead for a few months, and I felt like I was living in Islamabad rather off the Wirral.
    I wasn't really made welcome.
    Eventually I moved back to Ireland and settled down and once you experienced what it's like to be not wanted you won't know what it's like.


  • #2403
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,980 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Muckka wrote: »
    With respect, Muslims are not a race.

    They're a religion with different sects, I admire the Sufi Muslims and the Shia and Allawites aren't too bad.

    But the Sunni wahabbism and salafist are dangerous I don't like their idealism.

    Depends on how you define race, but I see your point. It is splitting hairs a bit, though - he specificly said "all Muslims".

    But bigoted, prejudiced, whatever. It demonstrates his sheer hatred based purely on a generalisation of an incident of birth.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #2404
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Correction number one - You don't have to hate all other races in order to be racist. You can be racist against specific races.

    Correction number two - he has issues with muslims full stop - not just extremists. He famously blamed ALL muslims for the 7/7 bombings.


    Not Muslims - the ideology of Islam.
    Big difference.


  • #2405
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,980 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Not Muslims - the ideology of Islam.
    Big difference.

    No Muslims. He said Muslims.

    In any case I'm pretty sure there's very little knowledge of what the ideology of Islam there anyway beyond the more archaic elements of Sharia Law which most people seem to confuse it with.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #2406
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,980 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    professore wrote: »
    I don't see how this implies violence against Muslims. It implies protesting in the strongest possible fashion to the leaders of those communities. If he said "we will exact revenge on those communities" then fair enough. I have heard worse in the recent abortion debates here from both sides.

    Problem is the people in the UK who are supposed to keep law and order have a hands off approach to Islamic extremists. So it's no surprise groups like this form. Also why he very quickly left the BNP as a teenager when he realised they only admitted white English people.

    I'm not saying he potentially ISN'T a racist ... just that the evidence isn't there, and he's not trying to run for election or anything. He's had huge personal cost from this.

    No, you said he wasn't a racist beacuse he doesn't hare all racists. You've been proven wrong.

    And I never said he invited violence, so you can take that up with whoever did say it.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



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  • #2407
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    Muckka wrote: »
    Maybe you're right,

    No, not maybe

    He is right


  • #2408
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,945 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Not Muslims - the ideology of Islam.
    Big difference.
    ..............................................................

    Every single Muslim watching this... on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens... you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end... and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again.


  • #2409
    TomSweeney
    Registered Users Posts: 3,192 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    No Muslims. He said Muslims.

    In any case I'm pretty sure there's very little knowledge of what the ideology of Islam there anyway beyond the more archaic elements of Sharia Law which most people seem to confuse it with.


    Actually he's quite knowledgeable on the subject of Islam.


    I did check out the video tho, yeah he shouldn't have said those things,

    still doesn't negate his main concerns on Islam tho.


  • #2410
    weisses
    Registered Users Posts: 9,430 ✭✭✭weisses


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Actually he's quite knowledgeable on the subject of Islam.


    I did check out the video tho, yeah he shouldn't have said those things,

    still doesn't negate his main concerns on Islam tho.


    Poor old Adolf had his concerns with Jewish people

    How did that turn out ?

    he had a lot of apologists around him as well


  • #2411
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    weisses wrote: »
    No, not maybe

    He is right

    Tommy's not always right, I think he's mixed up at times.

    I used to hate seagulls thought they were pests until I caught one by mistake while reeling in a surface lure.
    Brought him home nursed him or her back to health, he got attached to me and I him.
    He loved sardines, I left him off two weeks later in Lahinch and he didn't want to fly off for a while.
    Did a bit of a dance and away he flee.
    Now I take back my hatred of seagulls.

    I'm not comparing people with seagulls, but metaphorically speaking there's good people out there no matter where they come from or believe in.

    You never know Tommy may embrace the religion of peace, but I won't be dressing up as a seagull :D


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  • #2412
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users Posts: 8,810 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    weisses wrote: »
    Poor old Adolf had his concerns with Jewish people

    How did that turn out ?

    he had a lot of apologists around him as well

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • #2413
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,100 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Robert Wolfe wrote: »
    I have a lot of respect for him.


    you have to respect the grift alright.


  • #2414
    Muckka
    Registered Users Posts: 498 ✭✭Muckka


    Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »
    Depends on how you define race, but I see your point. It is splitting hairs a bit, though - he specificly said "all Muslims".

    But bigoted, prejudiced, whatever. It demonstrates his sheer hatred based purely on a generalisation of an incident of birth.

    I can identify with where you are coming from, but I think he gets on well with some Muslims.

    You'll see his old video clips of him spouting off about all Muslims, but I think he's starting to learn about different Islamic belief's.

    The suffi Muslims are very peaceful in general, I read a lot of Rumis poetry and spiritual teachings and it's quite peaceful and enlightening.
    A lot of good stories, you should read up on Sufism if you want to learn more about mystical Islam


  • #2415
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,913 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FTA69 wrote: »
    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=393733637839882&id=166732810539967

    Have a look at this video and tell me he’s not racist.

    “She’s so ugly a Syrian refugee wouldn’t rape her”

    “The people from Somalia are backward savages”

    The guy is a f*cking cretin.

    In fairness, lots of short 2-3 second clips, edited together in short soundbites* to create a narrative, is exactly the reason why the internet is mostly poison.

    Don't do something that you would be willing to criticise the other guys for.

    *Done by Momentum of all people



  • #2416
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users Posts: 32,980 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    TomSweeney wrote: »
    Actually he's quite knowledgeable on the subject of Islam.


    I did check out the video tho, yeah he shouldn't have said those things,

    still doesn't negate his main concerns on Islam tho.

    This is the problem with the stunts he pulls: I have no idea what his REAL concerns a really are. Where does the hatemongering stop and the intelligent concerns begin?

    When he says all Muslims are responsible for 7/7 and seems ignorant to the problems he causes with pedophile mistrials in aid of publicity he really is his own worst enemy.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #2417
    FTA69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    markodaly wrote: »
    In fairness, lots of short 2-3 second clips, edited together in short soundbites* to create a narrative, is exactly the reason why the internet is mostly poison.

    Don't do something that you would be willing to criticise the other guys for.

    *Done by Momentum of all people


    The clips speak for themselves mate. “The people of Somalia are backward savages.” “A Syrian refugee wouldn’t rape her”.

    Yeah good luck putting the context on that mate. ‘Legitimate criticism of Islamic ideology’ my arse, that’s straight out of the National Front that sort of commentary


  • #2418
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,945 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    .............


    Could you summarise the point those videos make?


  • #2419
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Could you summarise the point those videos make?

    No, you can watch them if you are interested. If you are not then don't.


  • #2420
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,945 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    No, you can watch them if you are interested. If you are not then don't.




    Why can't you summarise them?


  • #2421
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    So is the real Tommy Robinson.. Stephen Yaxley lennon?.


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  • #2422
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,100 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    So is the real Tommy Robinson is Stephen Yaxley lennon?.


    Yaxley Lennon is his real name and the name he was convicted under several times.


  • #2423
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Forgot to log out of your account? Haha

    Edit : looks like you mis quoted. Apologises


  • #2424
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Yaxley Lennon is his real name and the name he was convicted under several times.

    But not the name he used when he flew to the Us illegally. He borrowed a friends passport for that.


    And this thread has started getting weird.


  • #2425
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why can't you summarise them?


    Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.


  • #2426
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,106 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.

    It's not laziness. It takes time, you could at least give an indication of why someone should watch it. It's only polite.


  • #2427
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,319 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.

    Lazy? You just dropped three hours of propaganda on us.


  • #2428
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why can't you summarise them?


    Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.
    You expect people to watch almost three hours of YouTube videos.

    Have you watched them. Why can't you summarize the content?.

    For instance does it mention him frauding oaps?


  • #2429
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    Odhinn wrote: »
    Why can't you summarise them?


    Why should I? Nobody summarised them for me. Don't be lazy. As I said if you are interested you can watch them.
    You expect people to watch almost three hours of YouTube videos.

    Have you watched them. Why can't you summarize the content?.

    For instance does it mention him frauding oaps?


  • #2430
    GinAndBitter
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 746 ✭✭✭GinAndBitter


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    You expect people to watch almost three hours of YouTube videos.

    Have you watched them. Why can't you summarize the content?.

    For instance does it mention him frauding oaps?

    I don't expect anyone to do anything at all, as I have said the videos are there for anybody that's interested in watching them. Are you particularly interested in Tommy Robinson?


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  • #2431
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,319 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    GinAndBitter wrote: »
    I don't expect anyone to do anything at all, as I have said the videos are there for anybody that's interested in watching them. Are you particularly interested in Tommy Robinson?

    You haven't watched them, have you?


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