Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

kunst nugget · 20-12-2017 1:53pm

Penn wrote: »

It's not that he's condoning it, it's that he's inadvertently saying "Y is bad, but it's not as bad as X, so maybe those who did Y could be forgiven as they aren't as bad as those who did X", and I think people's issue with that is that it diminishes those who had to suffer Y.

Do you think someone who has their arse slapped will suffer the same trauma as someone who is raped?

Penn · 20-12-2017 2:00pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Do you think someone who has their arse slapped will suffer the same trauma as someone who is raped?

No, I'm saying both are bad and shouldn't be tolerated.

Outlaw Pete · 20-12-2017 2:00pm

I note that Sir Ian McKellen's recent comment at an Oxford University address has been met with scorn also, where he recounted how back in the 60's some actresses would make it known to some directors that they were willing to have sex for roles.

https://twitter.com/empathywarrior/status/942968296835506176

You can watch the relevant segment from 41mins in..................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVH0nM4_IaU

kunst nugget · 20-12-2017 2:14pm

Penn wrote: »

No, I'm saying both are bad and shouldn't be tolerated.

Should we prosecute them with the same severity so as not to diminish the person who suffered the slapped arse?

Penn · 20-12-2017 2:37pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

Should we prosecute them with the same severity so as not to diminish the person who suffered the slapped arse?

No, because that would be f*cking stupid.

kunst nugget · 20-12-2017 2:58pm

Penn wrote: »

No, because that would be f*cking stupid.

So what's the issue with Matt Damon giving the opinion that he thinks that a slapped arse isn't as bad as rape?

Penn · 20-12-2017 3:20pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

So what's the issue with Matt Damon giving the opinion that he thinks that a slapped arse isn't as bad as rape?

Again, it's not that the opinion itself is wrong, it's that it doesn't matter which is worse. Neither should be tolerated, nor should minimising sexual assault as "Well, it's not as bad as being raped..." in order to defend those (or say maybe they should be forgiven) who slapped women's arses or masturbated in front of them against their will.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-12-2017 3:23pm

Penn wrote: »

No, I'm saying both are bad and shouldn't be tolerated.

who tolerates rape?

kunst nugget · 20-12-2017 3:32pm

Penn wrote: »

Again, it's not that the opinion itself is wrong, it's that it doesn't matter which is worse. Neither should be tolerated, nor should minimising sexual assault as "Well, it's not as bad as being raped..." in order to defend those (or say maybe they should be forgiven) who slapped women's arses or masturbated in front of them against their will.

So, if a guy stupidly slapped a girl's arse once back in the early 90s, there's no hope for redemption for him?

Wanderer2010 · 20-12-2017 3:33pm

Weinstein is 65??????? I would have only put about 52 or 53 on him. :eek:

Penn · 20-12-2017 3:34pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

who tolerates rape?

Finally, a question dumb enough to make me wonder why I'm bothering posting in this thread.

Venom · 20-12-2017 3:34pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

So what's the issue with Matt Damon giving the opinion that he thinks that a slapped arse isn't as bad as rape?

Well the virtue signaling crowd do need something to be baying at.

20-12-2017 3:35pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

So what's the issue with Matt Damon giving the opinion that he thinks that a slapped arse isn't as bad as rape?

If you reduce what people come to think of as 'real' assault to only the very worse cases, it creates a situation where people feel as though they can't complain about the smaller stuff - smacking, harassing, groping etc, and where it's seen as not a big deal. It's not even remotely comparable to rape, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable or that it's not a big deal to harass or slap a person. It's very dismissive.

You don't use the very worst case scenario as a yardstick to judge crimes at the other end of the scale.

If a family wakes up to a burglary and have lost all their stuff, and another family is held hostage and beaten up and have their stuff taken, it doesn't make the first family less burgled and they have every right to feel victimized and aggrieved because what happened to them matters too.

It's not the same level of trauma, but that doesn't mean it should be overlooked.

Of course there is a scale. Just because something isn't at the worst end of the scale doesn't mean it should be dismissed as not a big deal. it adds up.

That said, I know what he was trying to say, but think he would have been wiser not to say it at all or to have chosen his words better.

20-12-2017 3:37pm

Candie wrote: »

If you reduce what people come to think of as 'real' assault to only the very worse cases, it creates a situation where people feel as though they can't complain about the smaller stuff - smacking, harassing, groping etc, and where it's seen as not a big deal. It's not even remotely comparable to rape, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable or that it's not a big deal to harass or slap a person. It's very dismissive.

You don't use the very worst case scenario as a yardstick to judge crimes at the other end of the scale.

If a family wakes up to a burglary and have lost all their stuff, and another family is held hostage and beaten up and have their stuff taken, it doesn't make the first family less burgled and they have every right to feel victimized and aggrieved because what happened to them matters too.

It's not the same level of trauma, but that doesn't mean it should be overlooked.

Of course there is a scale. Just because something isn't at the worst end of the scale doesn't mean it should be dismissed as not a big deal. it adds up.

That said, I know what he was trying to say, but think he would have been wiser not to say it at all or to have chosen his words better.

I really can't see the issue with what he said. He even went out of his way to say that all such behaviours should be confronted.

kunst nugget · 20-12-2017 3:55pm

Candie wrote: »

If you reduce what people come to think of as 'real' assault to only the very worse cases, it creates a situation where people feel as though they can't complain about the smaller stuff - smacking, harassing, groping etc, and where it's seen as not a big deal. It's not even remotely comparable to rape, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable or that it's not a big deal to harass or slap a person. It's very dismissive.

You don't use the very worst case scenario as a yardstick to judge crimes at the other end of the scale.

If a family wakes up to a burglary and have lost all their stuff, and another family is held hostage and beaten up and have their stuff taken, it doesn't make the first family less burgled and they have every right to feel victimized and aggrieved because what happened to them matters too.

It's not the same level of trauma, but that doesn't mean it should be overlooked.

Of course there is a scale. Just because something isn't at the worst end of the scale doesn't mean it should be dismissed as not a big deal. it adds up.

That said, I know what he was trying to say, but think he would have been wiser not to say it at all or to have chosen his words better.

It's perfectly understandable to feel aggrieved if you get slapped on the arse- it's complete arsehole behaviour and completely unacceptable, it's the notion that somehow rightfully treating rape as a more serious issue is diminishing your right to feel aggrieved so we have to treat them both equally that I think is a bit odd.

cloudatlas · 20-12-2017 6:57pm

Who cares if there is a spectrum, it's all ****king awful stuff, they should be discussing how to prevent it not waffling on about how they classify different abusive behaviours.

Ash.J.Williams · 20-12-2017 7:08pm

Penn wrote: »

Finally, a question dumb enough to make me wonder why I'm bothering posting in this thread.

I was wondering the same

HandsomeBob · 20-12-2017 7:43pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

I note that Sir Ian McKellen's recent comment at an Oxford University address has been met with scorn also, where he recounted how back in the 60's some actresses would make it known to some directors that they were willing to have sex for roles.

https://twitter.com/empathywarrior/status/942968296835506176

You can watch the relevant segment from 41mins in..................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVH0nM4_IaU

McKellan seemed weirdly ill prepared for that question as he was rambling and seemed uncomfortable. But in the main, what he said was nothing to be outraged about. He merely stated a fact of his experience in Hollywood without condoning anything.

21-12-2017 1:14am

cloudatlas wrote: »

Who cares if there is a spectrum, it's all ****king awful stuff, they should be discussing how to prevent it not waffling on about how they classify different abusive behaviours.

He said it should all be confronted.

RabbleRouser2k · 21-12-2017 1:24am

Deleted User wrote: »

Miller's show got cancelled? That sucks. Dude was on the cusp of becoming a big enough star, with the likes of Deadpool and other appearances.

https://mobile.twitter.com/rosepetalpistol/status/943155950864781313

This is a post from Miller and his wife, which makes it seem like it's not as it seems.

Apparently it was the reason he was kicked out of college. (His dad is a lawyer, so that helped prevent a 'scandal').
And pretty much everyone knew TJ as 'that guy who raped a chick in college'.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/make-them-leave.html

There are allegations of harassment on other projects too.

https://www.thewrap.com/tj-miller-accused-of-harassment-by-porn-star/

Even an alleged case of roofieing.

https://twitter.com/dalias85/status/943182637765599232

Seems everyone has a 'story' about the guy's douchebaggery.

RabbleRouser2k · 21-12-2017 2:41am

Anthony Edwards' abuser, Gary Goddard, has had more people come forward to accuse him.

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/gary-goddard-accused-molestation-child-actors-1202646170/

Sylvester Stallone has/is filing a lawsuit against his accuser, accusing her of lying.

http://www.tmz.com/2017/12/20/sylvester-stallone-false-police-report-filed-by-rape-accuser/

Underground · 21-12-2017 3:55pm

I don't really like Dalias85's account of her encounter with TJ Miller tbh. Neither herself nor the barman were totally sure that he had messed with her drink, yet the story is just put out there as fact anyway. That's not to say he didn't do it, it's quite likely he did, but for me it's another case of trial by social media.

Out of morbid curiosity I had a quick scroll through her twitter feed. To my complete lack of surprise, it was awash with anti-male, anti-trump rhetoric. What took the biscuit though was that she likes the new Eminem album, which everyone knows is trash.

Venom · 21-12-2017 5:18pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Apparently it was the reason he was kicked out of college. (His dad is a lawyer, so that helped prevent a 'scandal').
And pretty much everyone knew TJ as 'that guy who raped a chick in college'.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/12/make-them-leave.html

There are allegations of harassment on other projects too.

https://www.thewrap.com/tj-miller-accused-of-harassment-by-porn-star/

Even an alleged case of roofieing.

https://twitter.com/dalias85/status/943182637765599232

Seems everyone has a 'story' about the guy's douchebaggery.

For the record I'm not a fan of Miller. He plays the same character in everything which bores the crap out of me.

Saying that, the pornstar's allegations seem like utter BS.

"DeArmond declined to elaborate further on Miller’s alleged harassment when pressed by a Twitter user identifying himself as a reporter, replying, “I don’t really have anything to add. It was a long time ago.”

Has it gotten to a stage where you don't even have to say what someone is alleged to have done now!

RabbleRouser2k · 21-12-2017 8:25pm

Venom wrote: »

For the record I'm not a fan of Miller. He plays the same character in everything which bores the crap out of me.

Saying that, the pornstar's allegations seem like utter BS.

"DeArmond declined to elaborate further on Miller’s alleged harassment when pressed by a Twitter user identifying himself as a reporter, replying, “I don’t really have anything to add. It was a long time ago.”

Has it gotten to a stage where you don't even have to say what someone is alleged to have done now!

The Vogt Roberts allegation was the one that bothered me the most-to me it was a kiss goodnight, safe journey, between friends.
To her it was harassment. It's why I always feel pornstars are...(and I hate to use this phrase) 'damaged'. No sane person gets into that 'field'.

A fifth woman has accused Danny Masterson of rape. Starting to sound like scientology did an awful lot to cover up his crap. I have to wonder if Ashton Kutcher or his other 'That 70s Show' castmates knew. It would explain why Topher Grace was never one to hang out with them after the show ended, or even during it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5201017/Danny-Mastersons-ex-girlfriend-accuses-raping-her.html

Don't normally agree with Piers Morgan, but his assessment of Meryl Streep (and Weinstein, obviously) is bang on.

VILLAIN: Meryl Streep. It’s been a terrible year for the self-styled Queen of Hollywood. Moralising Meryl’s repeated political grandstanding, particularly against Trump, has come back to bite her hard since the downfall of her great friend and mentor Weinstein. She insists she knew nothing about Harvey’s predatory side, but nobody believes her, which is why there are now posters all over LA with their photo and the words ‘SHE KNEW’ emblazoned across them. One thing Meryl most definitely DOES know is that Roman Polanski is a fugitive child rapist -yet she gave him a standing ovation and has never denounced him.

VILLAIN: Harvey Weinstein. He was the first big Hollywood name to go down in flames from the sexual harassment scandal, and symbolises the age-old sex-for-jobs casting couch mentality that still prevails in a town which so loves to preach morality to the world. Harvey abused his power to make and break dozens of actresses who dreamed of movie stardom. His downfall has triggered a long overdue correction in the chronic gender inequality that still pervades in almost every workplace.
In cinematic language that even Harvey may understand: women are as mad hell and they’re not going to take it any more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5202249/PIERS-MORGAN-heroes-villains-2017.html

RabbleRouser2k · 23-12-2017 6:54pm

http://thenerdstash.com/max-landis-sexual-assault/

The writer of Will Smith's new flop, Bright, has been accused of sexual harassment and other misconduct. By and actress who worked on one of his projects.

His show, Dirk Gently, was cancelled about a week before these allegations emerged. Seems like someone was warned before hand.

Interestingly, the actors and actresses on his show have gone quiet on twitter.

JP Liz V1 · 23-12-2017 11:12pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

http://thenerdstash.com/max-landis-sexual-assault/

The writer of Will Smith's new flop, Bright, has been accused of sexual harassment and other misconduct. By and actress who worked on one of his projects.

His show, Dirk Gently, was cancelled about a week before these allegations emerged. Seems like someone was warned before hand.

Interestingly, the actors and actresses on his show have gone quiet on twitter.

John Landis son :eek: wow did not know that

RabbleRouser2k · 26-12-2017 9:22pm

http://www.tvovermind.com/entertainment-news/bright-screenwriter-max-landis-accused-sexual-assault

Intriguing defense of Landis, and critique of the metoo movement. I don't agree or disagree with this, but I found it interesting.

26-12-2017 9:30pm

3 things I've learned from this thread...

1. Anytime I see it bumped, I open it to see who is the latest person accused

2. John Landis' son has one awful hairstyle

3. RabbleRouser knows more about Hollywood than anyone I've ever met, and is particularly useful in this thread as he can raise slants that the media itself miss, I've rarely seen a poster contribute so much bang on topic...

RabbleRouser2k · 30-12-2017 3:50am

Deleted User wrote: »

3 things I've learned from this thread...

1. Anytime I see it bumped, I open it to see who is the latest person accused

2. John Landis' son has one awful hairstyle

He also wrote Chronicle-he's a hipster. But he's far from the biggest Hollywood jerk on twitter. (also, no longer has that hairstyle).

Personally, I think that 'honor' goes to Lexi Alexander, aka the director of 'Punisher War Zone'. If you don't tow the line/ agree with her, she blocks you, and then threatens you after blocking you (makes it harder to report her). One ,such twitter poster/ podcaster went on to discuss this. Alexander, a few years ago, told this podcaster not to interview Landis, as an actress had spoken of being assaulted by him, to her (no name given, just the usual 'believe me, not the man'). When the podcaster asked for more information, as in define 'assault' she said 'I hope you get raped by *director's name, who neither party will discuss*' then blocked her.
Alexander does that often-she'll even block white Hollywood people on twitter, precisely because they were successful-no other reason. Then spouts 'white privilege' or 'a weak man is scared of a strong woman'...when no, they aren't, you just blocked them. I'd imagine she even blocked the first accuser mentioned in the article, Anna Akana. (She already told her to eff off).

What's more disturbing is less than a year ago, allegations were made against Toby Turner, aka Tobuscus, a youtuber who Akana also made allegations against (He didn't assault her,but someone they knew claimed he did, even proceeded to write a tumblr post about it). She roped Max Landis into making a video discussing Turner (Landis went on to say that while he couldn't condemn Turner's behaviour, because he himself had treated women like crap, he found Turner to be somewhat troubled, and a guy he didn't want to associate with (you can find the video on youtube). Both do drugs (obvs) but Landis isn't the kind of guy who'll be like 'Take this pill, do it!' whilst Turner was. And he didn't want to be in that scene. I imagine Akana was ticked off, to say the least, that he didn't condemn him as a 'rapey mcrapist'. It was based on one allegation against Turner, and while he went quiet for a while, he returned. No others made a similar allegation, though the guy does come across as a dirtbag. But being a dirtbag isn't a crime, no matter how much they wish it was).

3. RabbleRouser knows more about Hollywood than anyone I've ever met, and is particularly useful in this thread as he can raise slants that the media itself miss, I've rarely seen a poster contribute so much bang on topic...

just

I am very honored to have those kind words said about me, I appreciate it very much. I just like to take notice and read more indepth than writers care to mention. I also have no life.

Speaking of which-this kinda craziness was bound to happen. Didn't anyone learn from the debacle of the 'Women only' Wonder Woman screening?

In short-comedienne banned men from her comedy shows, is now facing a legal action because of it. Article below proceeds to mock the person, despite it actually being a genuine legal issue.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/iliza-shlesingers-girls-show-sparks-lawsuit-war-men-1070492

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 02-01-2018 11:14am

MORE THAN 300 top women in Hollywood from Meryl Streep and Jennifer Lawrence to Emma Thompson and Cate Blanchett, unveiled an initiative to tackle pervasive sexual harassment in workplaces, calling special attention to their “sisters” in less than glamorous blue-collar jobs.

The initiative, dubbed Time’s Up, caps a year in which the Harvey Weinstein sexual misconduct scandal touched off a deluge of allegations that brought down powerful men in entertainment, politics and the media, prompting companies, government agencies and even the US federal court system to reexamine harassment policies.

But in an open letter printed in The New York Times, the new initiative lends the star power of its A-list members to the cause of women in less prominent fields, urging support and respect for farmworkers and others whose humble positions leave them vulnerable and voiceless.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sexual-harassment-dear-sisters-weinstein-3776865-Jan2018/

Hmmm. A genuine attempt to highlight sexual harassment in 'blue collar' jobs, or a cynical attempt to distract from the rotten core of Hollywood, and at the same time rebuilt their damaged images as saviours of the sisterhood?

This is so cute, celebrities pretending to care about the little people.

To paraphrase Sally Field: "We like you. We really, really like you!"

Harvey Weinstein scandal (Mod warning in op.)

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