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Will you travel? [Mod Note in Post #1 - Travel Discussion Only! Megathread]

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    #9812
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Nope. Never said any of that. . I never said anything about vaccinated person being immune or not.



    Just pointed out that even if a person is vaccinated, they will still be required to quarantine until enough people in the destination are vaccinated. Because, as far as the destination is concerned, they could still be carrying it and won't want the traveller waltzing in and going around wherever.

    Are you serious? This is exactly what you said:
    Donald Trump wrote: »
    A person being vaccinated only means that if they get infected with the virus, their symptoms will be less. There are some claims that vaccines reduced transmission to a third, but it does not eliminate it.



    Your being vaccinated simply means that if you come, then you are unlikely to end up in one of the ICU beds here. .


    Your words. So do you take that back? Was it just a lie?


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    #9813
    yoshimitsu
    Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭yoshimitsu


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Short answer, whats keeping you here if you have other options. Italy and Spain will both be close to normal this Summer, hospitality already opening in on limited basis in Italy.
    Ireland will still be heavily restricted in 5 months. Do yourself and your family some good. GO.


    I wasnt really asking if it's a good idea or not to go. I was asking if there are guidelines on what proof to carry wrt the nature of your trip.
    the risk is that you meet a guard who has just dealt with 20 ppl falsely claiming they have a an "essential" reason to travel to Alicante and all of a sudden your doctor note in italian or you 9 month lease contract in spanish is not going to cut it so you get a €2k x 4 fine that you have 28 days to protest in an irish court (while you're in lockdown abroad)
    i see nobody of the "sure this decision makes so much sense" crew are replying... i'm honestly just looking for guidelines. if a rule/law with financial implications is applied, there should be clear guidelines for ppl with legit reasons.

    again i point to the FAQ page on the dutch govt website which has a number of pages dedicated to explaining what you need to bring with you


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    #9814
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    yoshimitsu wrote: »
    I wasnt really asking if it's a good idea or not to go. I was asking if there are guidelines on what proof to carry wrt the nature of your trip.
    the risk is that you meet a guard who has just dealt with 20 ppl falsely claiming they have a an "essential" reason to travel to Alicante and all of a sudden your doctor note in italian or you 9 month lease contract in spanish is not going to cut it so you get a €2k x 4 fine that you have 28 days to protest in an irish court (while you're in lockdown abroad)
    i see nobody of the "sure this decision makes so much sense" crew are replying... i'm honestly just looking for guidelines. if a rule/law with financial implications is applied, there should be clear guidelines for ppl with legit reasons.

    again i point to the FAQ page on the dutch govt website which has a number of pages dedicated to explaining what you need to bring with you

    If your passport is not Irish I wouldn't worry.


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    #9815
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    A bit of common sense at last:
    Senator Regina Doherty expressed concerns about “demonising” travellers and said that more focus should be put on antigen testing for people travelling abroad as opposed to fines of up to €2,000.



    Not to mention people who want to return from Dubai for example that are vaccinated plus have a negative PCR test so shouldn't be subject to mandatory quarantine upon arrival to Dublin...

    I know that won't sit well with those of you salivating at the thoughts of people being transported to mandatory confinement, but an intelligent workable solution needs to be implemented, not blanket rules..

    Regina? Who's she again? Didn't she lose her seat? I see she is going to run in the north Dublin airport constituency. Good way to kick off the campaign.


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    #9816
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you are the holders of an Italian and Spanish passport, telling the.guard that ye are heading home for the foreseeable , should be enough.
    And if your employers are happy, surely they can give you a letter also?


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    #9817
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users Posts: 19,025 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    Are you serious? This is exactly what you said:




    Your words. So do you take that back?




    You should read it. It's not that long.


    If you are vaccinated with something, or have had the virus before before, well if it enters your system again, it just means that your body now knows how to fight it and deal with it. Your symptoms will be less (less includes zero of course). If you get vaccinated for corona, your body will learn how to fight it. Then if more corona enters your body in the future, your immune system will take care of it (hopefully quickly and without you even noticing).



    Being vaccinated doesn't put up an invisible forcefield around you. The virus can, and still will, enter your body if you come in contact with it.



    You've done this a few times on this thread. Read something into one of my posts that I didn't post and tried to aggressively go off on a tangent about it. It's very strange.


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    #9818
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Wouldn't be so sure. Nearly 300 cases of South African Variant in Austria. AZ vaccine has been shown to be only 10% effective against it. Austria is EU. Can't even leave the province now without a test.

    Mad how this time last year it was skiers bringing it back from there.

    https://twitter.com/France24_en/status/1359492313211404293?s=20

    You conveniently forgot to add along with your 10% it has so far protected from 100% serious illness and death. :rolleyes:


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    #9819
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Just stop whinging, man up and do your bit. That's all you have to do. It isn't that difficult. The sooner it is over the better and we can all travel wherever then. If a few snowflakes can't cope now, they'll only succeed in prolonging it for everyone.

    Ha ha, first time I've been accused of being a snowflake, thanks for that. When the argument fails - "just do your bit".

    I'm not one of the ones here tutting, accusing people of killing their granny and wishing serious illness upon returning passengers. Who's doing the whinging again?


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    #9820
    yoshimitsu
    Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭yoshimitsu


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If your passport is not Irish I wouldn't worry.

    I guess I’ll the guard this thread on my mobile


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    #9821
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    bubblypop wrote: »
    If you are the holders of an Italian and Spanish passport, telling the.guard that ye are heading home for the foreseeable , should be enough.
    And if your employers are happy, surely they can give you a letter also?

    Same as an Irish citizen moving country. Should be no problem.


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    #9822
    Dr. Em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 320 ✭✭Dr. Em


    yoshimitsu wrote: »
    I wasnt really asking if it's a good idea or not to go. I was asking if there are guidelines on what proof to carry wrt the nature of your trip.
    the risk is that you meet a guard who has just dealt with 20 ppl falsely claiming they have a an "essential" reason to travel to Alicante and all of a sudden your doctor note in italian or you 9 month lease contract in spanish is not going to cut it so you get a €2k x 4 fine that you have 28 days to protest in an irish court (while you're in lockdown abroad)
    i see nobody of the "sure this decision makes so much sense" crew are replying... i'm honestly just looking for guidelines. if a rule/law with financial implications is applied, there should be clear guidelines for ppl with legit reasons.

    again i point to the FAQ page on the dutch govt website which has a number of pages dedicated to explaining what you need to bring with you


    If you or your partner have a passport from the destination country, that would show a clear connection. A translation of the rental contract, plus any other documentation of a connection (first rental payment?) might help. Your embassy might be able to give you a more comprehensive list.


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    #9823
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,435 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Regina? Who's she again? Didn't she lose her seat? I see she is going to run in the north Dublin airport constituency. Good way to kick off the campaign.

    I'm sure Regina is sat at home now reading Boards.ie saying the same thing "caveat emptor".... Who!?


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    #9824
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    yoshimitsu wrote: »
    I guess I’ll the guard this thread on my mobile

    Bubblypop unless I'm mistaken is a member of An Garda. They have given you good advice.
    Me I would just go if I had the option.


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    #9825
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    You conveniently forgot to add along with your 10% it has so far protected from 100% serious illness and death. :rolleyes:

    I didn't conveniently forget anything. :mad: There is no clinical evidence of this yet. This is the South Africa study.

    You are conveniently talking ****.

    542936.png


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    #9826
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    ;)
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I didn't conveniently forget anything. :mad: There is no clinical evidence of this yet. This is the South Africa study.

    You are conveniently talking ****.

    Likewise about your 10% so i guess we’re both talking ****;)


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    #9827
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    I'm sorry about your grandfather. I would be acting responsibly during this pandemic if it never effected my own family because because I understand collective responsibility. Yes, I did just edit out stronger language.

    Ok well in that case why did you feel the need to point out your granny wasn't hit by a Ferrari?

    We are back at that again now.


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    #9828
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I'm sure Regina is sat at home now reading Boards.ie saying the same thing "caveat emptor".... Who!?

    Haha lol. I better be careful though.
    In July 2017, Doherty confirmed[8] that she had lodged a complaint with the Garda Síochána against political blogger and academic Catherine Kelly. Kelly said that she was cautioned by Gardaí about her social media posts and online articles,[9] which referenced Regina Doherty.[10] In the Dáil, it was stated that a U.S.-based academic experienced a "sinister and chilling experience" in an Irish airport where she was detained by gardaí and told not to tweet about Ms Doherty or publish any material relevant to her again

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_Doherty#Move_to_Dublin_Fingal


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    #9829
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I didn't conveniently forget anything. :mad: There is no clinical evidence of this yet. This is the South Africa study.

    You are conveniently talking ****.

    542936.png

    Where does it say 10% efficacy? A bit immature with the naming of your pngs btw.


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    #9830
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Haha lol. I better be careful though.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regina_Doherty#Move_to_Dublin_Fingal

    You will be grand. Does not sound like you plan to be in an airport for some time to come.


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    #9831
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I didn't conveniently forget anything. :mad: There is no clinical evidence of this yet. This is the South Africa study.

    You are conveniently talking ****.

    542936.png

    Who cares about mild or moderate illness.

    What does the study say about severe disease and mortality - the statistics that have a material difference.


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    #9832
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Who cares about mild or moderate illness.

    What does the study say about severe disease and mortality - the statistics that have a material difference.

    Ah stop will ya, you’re bursting the doom and gloom misery bubble.


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    #9833
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Ah stop will ya, you’re bursting the doom and gloom misery bubble.

    You were so positive in December Micky what happened?


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    #9834
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Ah stop will ya, you’re bursting the doom and gloom misery bubble.

    That poster disappeared off the main thread today because they got called out by more knowledgeable posters.


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    #9835
    Micky 32
    Registered Users Posts: 6,556 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    You were so positive in December Micky what happened?

    I’m actually quite positive at the moment. We’re all human and we can falter at times. But thanks for the concern for my mental health.


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    #9836
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    That poster disappeared off the main thread today because they got called out by more knowledgeable posters.

    I had to pop into one of my wives. :pac: **** chat plumb. What are you talking about really?

    I know you are very good at being in two places at the same time but I'm not.


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    #9837
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I’m actually quite positive at the moment. We’re all human and we can falter at times. But thanks for the concern for my mental health.

    There's a lot to be positive the other vaccines all seem to work quite well albeit not as effectively against this variant.

    Only problem was the AZ one would have helped the rest of the world particularly developing world. It's a set back but hopefully they can keep ahead of it.


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    #9838
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,285 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    I've just opened up a new Travel megathread

    I'll leave this open for an hour or two as to allow some continuity of discussion. If you are raising a new point please do so in the new thread

    Thanks


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    #9839
    I regurgitate the news
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭I regurgitate the news


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    Stupid response? My grandmother is in the hospital right now because of Covid. Travel restrictions on non-essential holidays could save lives and all they require from the public is a bit of patience. How difficult is that to understand?

    I wish you the best with your grandmother however, the lockdown and restrictions are also responsible for suicides and people not getting checked for cancer......plus the financial cost is still not being felt....Unemployment and suicides go up together.


    Remember, the experts said not to wear masks and not to wear gloves last year.....then changed their minds and are now saying two masks would be a good thing..why not 3?


    We were also told 85,000 could die from Covid but the death statistics from the General Register Office show less people died in 2020 than 2019 or 2018.


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    #9840
    timeToLive
    Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭timeToLive


    Dr. Em wrote: »
    Stupid response? My grandmother is in the hospital right now because of Covid. Travel restrictions on non-essential holidays could save lives and all they require from the public is a bit of patience. How difficult is that to understand?


    Where did she get it?


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