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GDPR and Boards.ie post removal policy **update linked in OP 24/5/18**

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  • #932
    Snowseer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 149 ✭✭Snowseer


    Steve wrote: »
    My email hash is 43307bb5a6588447270a4d81cce6f3ff)

    If you email me there within 30 days, I'll give you €100 and resign as a mod here. :)

    Sure, why would I do that, and rob the site of such a class mod!? :)

    Nah - of course there's no table with every single email address ever, together with their hashes. Was merely making the (I think, important) point that maintaining only hash values does not ensure data security.


  • #933
    dollylama
    Registered Users Posts: 284 ✭✭dollylama


    Micah Shrilling Strawberry wrote: »
    I asked earlier but can you give any statistics. How many posters have asked to delete all or the majority of their posts up to now?

    Searching Google for "This post has been deleted." site:boards.ie returns 7,000+ results (was at 6k yesterday). Not an entirely scientific method of gauging deletions but it's not a huge number either


  • #934
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    dollylama wrote: »
    Searching Google for "This post has been deleted." site:boards.ie returns 7,000+ results (was at 6k yesterday). Not an entirely scientific method of gauging deletions but it's not a huge number either

    I did that myself and found a few, probably less than 10, accounts gone. Some high post counts in there though.


  • #935
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Don't think we're ever gonna forget you Permabear. :)


  • #936
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users Posts: 45,243 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Impermabear? :D


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  • #937
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    Boards.ie: Niamh wrote: »

    We expected that there would be a glut of requests at the start and that it would ease off after a time and that seems to be the case.

    Poor assumption. More likely you will see few adopters at the start. Then people will notice the "This post has been deleted" posts about the place and realise they can do the same. I predict an upsurge in requests.


  • #938
    salonfire
    Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    It's ironic that a poster who bemoans government interference and the cost of bureaucracy is the first to dive under the cover of regulation.

    I agree, it's only the beginning of many. As more people become aware of the option, the more widespread it will become.

    It's bonkers.


  • #939
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Poor assumption. More likely you will see few adopters at the start. Then people will notice the "This post has been deleted" posts about the place and realise they can do the same. I predict an upsurge in requests.

    The assumption that Niamh describes is the one most organisations made when GDPR was introduced. The increased ease of submitting a Data Accesss Request was expected to lead to an initial spike in requests. Why, well because it had been in the news, some people were always going to submit because of the novelty or because they simply could while others were going to submit with a clear intent such as disruption or for legal discovery.

    Most organisations expect the initial spike in data access requests to ease off or settle into a steady state.

    I’m hoping your prediction is wrong. I’m actually hoping that as posters see “This post has been deleted” they will see the disruption it causes and will not use it willy nilly but instead keep it for genuine concerns.


  • #940
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    dudara wrote: »
    The assumption that Niamh describes is the one most organisations made when GDPR was introduced. The increased ease of submitting a Data Accesss Request was expected to lead to an initial spike in requests. Why, well because it had been in the news, some people were always going to submit because of the novelty or because they simply could while others were going to submit with a clear intent such as disruption or for legal discovery.

    Most organisations expect the initial spike in data access requests to ease off or settle into a steady state.

    I’m hoping your prediction is wrong. I’m actually hoping that as posters see “This post has been deleted” they will see the disruption it causes and will not use it willy nilly but instead keep it for genuine concerns.

    I wouldn’t be as confident as he is about where things are going, but I think Pintman Paddy Losty makes a valid point in saying that the feature will be constantly self advertised by the “this post has been delete” notes popping up all over the website, which will grow the potential audience for using it.

    I think the assumption you are making that things will cool down is definitly valid for a website whereby deletions are not publicly visible so most people are not aware or are forgetting about the process as GDPR is not in he media anymore. But the way it has been implemented on boards reminds users of the existence of that process constantly so it might be a different scenario.


  • #941
    Bobeagleburger
    Registered Users Posts: 45,243 ✭✭✭✭Bobeagleburger


    Why leave the 'This post has been deleted' piece at all? It'd be better to just have nothing there.

    Those posts look awful imo.


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  • #942
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    This post has been deleted.


  • #943
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #944
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #945
    Try_harder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭Try_harder


    Could I have my old account posts scrubbed?


  • #946
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #947
    Boards.ie: Niamh
    Boards.ie Employee Posts: 12,597 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Niamh
    Boards.ie Community Manager


    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    Why leave the 'This post has been deleted' piece at all? It'd be better to just have nothing there.

    Those posts look awful imo.
    It doesn't look great, admittedly. A bit jarring when you read it for the first time. However if we left it blank, users would think there was an issue with posts being displayed. If we deleted the posts entirely this brings another issue. Every thread that had been started by the user would also disappear including all of the other users posts who had contributed. This thread, for example, would have disappeared had we done that with OP's posts. So to combat both of those issues while fulfilling our GDPR duties we chose to replace with a string of text "This post has been deleted".
    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    It would be unfair to ban a user for exercising what is now their legal right.
    We do not close accounts without the consent of the user, e.g. if they can't access the option on the control panel for some reason.
    Try_harder wrote: »
    Could I have my old account posts scrubbed?
    You can email datarequests@boards.ie or PM Boards.ie: GDPR about this.

    How can I? User's guide to some features on the new site



  • #948
    Boards.ie: Mark
    Boards.ie Employee Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mark
    Boards.ie Employee


    Micah Shrilling Strawberry wrote: »
    I asked earlier but can you give any statistics. How many posters have asked to delete all or the majority of their posts up to now?

    To date, 56 users have requested that their posts be deleted. For the most part, users have requested that their entire posting history be scrubbed, but some users have been more selective.
    RoboKlopp wrote: »
    Why leave the 'This post has been deleted' piece at all? It'd be better to just have nothing there.

    Those posts look awful imo.

    In a sense, we have to acknowledge that posts have been deleted because they could be the OP or people could be quoting / responding to them. However difficult a post being deleted makes a thread, it could be much worse if it just disappeared. There are some elements of this that require trial and error though as we didn't have real examples to work with when deciding on the process and appearance. Perhaps it is something that we can revisit.
    Patww79 wrote: »
    What's the process once the weeks cooling off period is complete?

    We run an automated job that deletes all posts to that point in time. Then we do some checks to see that the tool ran correctly before deleting a person's search history (so clicking "Find all posts by ____" will come up blank provided that person doesn't post again).

    How can I? User's guide to some features on the new site



  • #949
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Why on God's earth would we do that? Posters are perfectly entitled to request deletions under the GDPR and data protection laws. To penalise them for doing so would be a d*ck move (and also possibly illegal)


  • #950
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    This post has been deleted.


  • #951
    Canis Lupus
    Registered Users Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    You need a hand with that chip on your shoulder? Looks heavy.


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  • #952
    salonfire
    Registered Users Posts: 3,078 ✭✭✭salonfire


    dudara wrote: »
    Why on God's earth would we do that? Posters are perfectly entitled to request deletions under the GDPR and data protection laws. To penalise them for doing so would be a d*ck move (and also possibly illegal)

    Posters have requested to be forgotten. To allow them continue, means you are continue to hold their data and so that they are not forgotten.


  • #953
    Boards.ie: Mark
    Boards.ie Employee Posts: 5,461 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mark
    Boards.ie Employee


    salonfire wrote: »
    Posters have requested to be forgotten. To allow them continue, means you are continue to hold their data and so that they are not forgotten.

    They haven't. They have requested to have their posts deleted.

    Anyone that has requested their data be deleted has had that done for them.

    How can I? User's guide to some features on the new site



  • #954
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    This post has been deleted.


  • #955
    ayux4rj6zql2ph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,001 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    This post has been deleted.


  • #956
    Bob24
    Registered Users Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    salonfire wrote: »
    Posters have requested to be forgotten. To allow them continue, means you are continue to hold their data and so that they are not forgotten.

    You might be taking the “right to be forgotten” too literally.

    It is a right to request data deletion. Doesn’t mean that when you invoke it you should always be completely forgotten, it can can be selective deletion as long as the organisation deletes all the private data you have flagged for deletion.


  • #957
    .......
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,057 ✭✭✭.......


    This post has been deleted.


  • #958
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    There is nothing in the GDPR that protects your data when you are using a service. No other forum is to my knowledge engaging like this.

    At the very least if people are to delete their posts, force them to close.


  • #959
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #960
    OldMrBrennan83
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I can't understand why people are getting in such a rage about someone else deleting their own posts.


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  • #961
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Rather than screw up all the threads you had ever participated in maybe you shouldn't have revealed so much about yourself to begin with?

    The problem is simple, if this catches on the forum dies. Shall we all come in every day and delete all posts? Maybe every week? Every second week?

    Will most threads be full of POST DELETED going forward? Will all long running threads lose any semblance of a discussion?

    How often are you going to delete your posts - is this post of mine going to disappear soon?


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