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DEFTLEFTHAND 09-03-2019 05:42

Why do Irish people support English teams?
 
I was born and raised in Tipperary. My mother kept the home when Dad worked.

Dad worked in the merchant navy for yrs and loved soccer.


He lived in Inchicore when I was born. He was an officer on the Holyhead ferry.


We used to go to Richmond Park. Some of my earliest memomories in life are of him swearing and getting angry with me up on his lap.




He was a very emotive man, but very loving.


I just could never get why most of Dublin and the rest of the country supported the English league .

tuxy 09-03-2019 05:45


DEFTLEFTHAND 09-03-2019 05:55

Listen I'm not anti English by any means , i follow the Premier League and watch every game I can.

But I don't support any particular team. I follow St Pats.


That's my Dad's team. An Irish team.

Edenmoar 09-03-2019 06:01

Some of us were freezing our gonads off in Dalymount last night.
The EPL is a slick product with tonnes of marketing behind it and far more attractive to people than irish football unfortunately. Plus every irish Liverpool or Yenira fan has a “Me Uncle worked der on the sites in the 80s and used to bring me back programs nall” story as justification.

Omackeral 09-03-2019 06:10

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Originally Posted by Edenmoar (Post 109627392)
Some of us were freezing our gonads off in Dalymount last night.
The EPL is a slick product with tonnes of marketing behind it and far more attractive to people than irish football unfortunately. Plus every irish Liverpool or Yenira fan has a “Me Uncle worked der on the sites in the 80s and used to bring me back programs nall” story as justification.

Ah that old chestnut. Gas how it's never Luton Town or Birmingham City even though the Irish flooded those places.

salmocab 09-03-2019 06:13

People naturally lean toward the thing with huge marketing budgets and constant coverage, for an awful lot of people they grew up with access to English tv so had more casual access to English clubs than Irish ones. Going to England for players was always seen as the path to playing top level and it’s probably much the same for supporters.

DEFTLEFTHAND 09-03-2019 06:16

You can never get that feeling from watching a prem match on tele. It's the live atmosphere.

LOI is a lot higher of standard than the detractors try to say. You watch somebody like Christopher Forrester turn on a ball and get back to me.

The White Wolf 09-03-2019 06:17

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Originally Posted by DEFTLEFTHAND (Post 109627390)
Listen I'm not anti English by any means , i follow the Premier League and watch every game I can.

But I don't support any particular team. I follow St Pats.


That's my Dad's team. An Irish team.

And I follow my dad's team which happens to be Liverpool. I'm sure you know the craic here really.

Ned Led Zeppo 09-03-2019 06:18

Is it any wonder that people in this country support soccer in the UK.RTE gives a
half-an hour of LOI highlights of our Premier division(excluding the other ten teams in the first division),they rarely show a match as it is,it beggars belief.

force eleven 09-03-2019 06:19

I started supporting Arsenal around 78'. There were more Irish players than English in the first team back then.

salmocab 09-03-2019 06:20

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Originally Posted by DEFTLEFTHAND (Post 109627400)
You can never get that feeling from watching a prem match on tele. It's the live atmosphere.

LOI is a lot higher of standard than the detractors try to say. You watch somebody like Christopher Forrester turn on a ball and get back to me.

Not sure if you were replying to me but I said nothing negative about LOI, you asked why people support English clubs and I offered a possible reason

DEFTLEFTHAND 09-03-2019 06:24

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Originally Posted by The White Wolf (Post 109627402)
And I follow my dad's team which happens to be Liverpool. I'm sure you know the craic here really.

Ya but your Dad wasn't from Liverpool was he?

My Dad used to to look out for Palace in the English League owing to connections he had in Croydon.


But we never got fully into supporting them. Wearing jersisies and chanting daft songs.

Omackeral 09-03-2019 06:32

People usually come out with the standard is better (and it is) but if that's the case, why not follow Spain or Brazil over Ireland? "Eh I'm not from there obviously ..." Ok but you're not exactly from Merseyside either.

Try that with GAA counties and see what looks you'd get. A Westmeath man supporting Kerry because the standard is better. Doesn't happen. Why not?

This will then be followed up with "ah clubs are different to national teams". Then why do the people of Middlesbrough follow Middlesbrough and why do the people of Bristol support Bristol Rovers or Bristol City?

Why do the so-called best fans in the world get such a pass? To me, the best fans are the ones that are there week-in and week-out, wherever that may be. If your argument is "well it's too far away for me to go away, I've to get a ferry/plane/camel to another country like" then maybe that tells you something from a logical point of view.

The next argument is then "do you only watch Irish films and tv?" to which I'd say no but then again I don't claim to be a die hard Fair City fan because my uncle was in the 90's. You're not gonna be planning for Ros Na Run away on the 19th of March. I've seen supermarkets and products put in this kind of reasoning before too. If you can equate supporting a football team to where you get your bread and milk, then I don't think we're on the same page anyway.

Finally, you'll get people saying "ah let people enjoy what they want". Yes, obviously. That's really just something that goes without saying. By all means enjoy what you want but if someone turns around to you and says "yeah but who do you really support" when you've answered Sligo Rovers or Shels or Cork City it's ironic in that you're really supporting them by being there and by contributing financially. They're your team when you're literally always there.

None of the above is bitter or holier-than-thou, it is all exactly how it is. You're often called a martyr or a snob for simply saying these things because it's easier to just say those words than to actually refute what's been said.

FWIW I love watching Champions League, Premiership and international tournaments but, as the GAA says, nothing beats being there. There's room for having a team at home and a team abroad too, they're not mutually exclusive. Most LOI fans have a team across the water they like, that's another misconception. You can still enjoy games on telly but football shouldn't just be a TV show.

tuxy 09-03-2019 06:36

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Originally Posted by Omackeral (Post 109627415)
People usually come out with the standard is better (and it is) but if that's the case, why not follow Spain or Brazil over Ireland? "Eh I'm not from there obviously ..." Ok but you're not exactly from Merseyside either.

To be fair the vast majority of Irish people support England in world cups that Ireland do not qualify for.

Macdarack 09-03-2019 06:53

Could it stem from people's relations over a hundred or so years coming back from all over Britain who supported football teams, they'd bring back a Jersey, Or a program or pictures of a fine big stadium full of people, then the odd kid was brought over to a game and the little cunce wouldn't shut up about it at school and they'd know another lad who went to one and the banter would start then others would pick a team, whoever, Leeds, cause they were going well in the 80s or whenever, or forest, then united or Liverpool bla bla bla they could pick who they like, but it was the chaps who went there to watch a match,they brought back stories from the promised land, old Traffords , anfield and the kop, Highbury, they were hero's!.
You also had goal magazine, matches on sports stadium every Saturday, tune into BBC radio and catch a match or results, and Irish media would also give what seemed like an hour long run down of English football results.Irish football didn't have a buzz like English football maybe unless you lived in a city but it was nothing like the English setup.
I was shocked one time when a limerick sinn fein was doing an personal interview and was asked what football club does he support, he said arsenal, Maurice quinlivan,


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