How to beat a southpaw

efb · 25-10-2015 10:13PM

All 8 year olds lead with their dominant hand, if not corrected

efb · 25-10-2015 10:14PM

Fine natural! Right handed people are not natural (real 😝) southpaws

walshb · 25-10-2015 10:29PM

efb wrote: »

I'm done with you along time ago.

I will say people who lead with their dominant right hand are not real southpaw regardless of what you say

So be done with me. Stop quoting me with nonsense. I posted a simple post about southpaws not being rare. You came in on that, and then posted a nonsense about me not being a 'real' southpaw. I called you on that. You now seem to be rowing back to say it's not a natural southpaw. That is a better description. To me I would describe a southpaw similar to the the dictionary.

A good way to explain it: Of every 100 southpaws, I would say 70-80 are lefty dominant, 15-20 are right hand dominant, and the rest are in the ambidexterous category. But all are southpaws.

So, seeing as discussion with me seems to frustrate you I would advise to simply ignore my posts.

Littlehorny · 25-10-2015 10:34PM

Marvin Hagler was right handed yet fought was more comfortable and better as a southpaw. Read one time his jab was like getting hit by a truck. Natural southpaw or not, i don't think anyone can question his quality and effectiveness.

walshb · 25-10-2015 10:41PM

TheGlitchKing wrote: »

I would use the term natural over real.

Like naturally right handed or naturally left handed

No issue there. I would use the term more prevalent-common. The naturalness of it is as much a balance-coordination-feel as it is a hand dominant thing.

TheGlitchKing · 25-10-2015 11:05PM

Littlehorny wrote: »

Marvin Hagler was right handed yet fought was more comfortable and better as a southpaw. Read one time his jab was like getting hit by a truck. Natural southpaw or not, i don't think anyone can question his quality and effectiveness.

It's a matter of styles. A northy can learn to fight in the position of a southsider to great effectiveness but he will never be as good in that position.

It's funny you should mention the jab as a Sunday because this is actually the main reason why so many orthodox fighters like turning southpaw, when you lead with your strong hand you can throw your jab as if it's a straight.

This is also the main reason why stance switching is frowned upon, a lot of people who start out doing this feel the power boost they get by leading with their strong hand and often end up sacrificing revising proper form in exchange for "the power jab." You should, in most cases, learn proper form in your own stance before switching, because stance isn't all about punching and power it's about balance and footwork.

Learning to switch isn't just about which hand you use, you need to reverse your entire body. Southpaws literally have to do every movement in reverse. People who are naturally left handed move their body in a different way to someone who is right handed, because that's just how their body moves. This is what people don't understand about someone who is a natural southpaw and someone who learned to do it. Natural south paws live their entire lives as left handed people in a right handed world. The simple fact is that a right handed person just won't be able to get that level because he doesn't deal with it all the time.

So to some people a right handed person calling himself a southpaw is a bit like someone wearing black face paint and calling himself black. Obviously if there's something about your body you feel is unique or special to you, you might get annoyed when someone else starts copying you, particularly if that other person represents the other side.

efb · 26-10-2015 08:05AM

Anyone else wondering how the OP got on???

Chickenwing47 · 26-10-2015 08:35PM

efb wrote: »

Anyone else wondering how the OP got on???

Sorry I left it so late to tell but I've got bad news…my opponent didn't turn up I was devasted, my heart sank when he told me.

efb · 26-10-2015 08:45PM

Chickenwing47 wrote: »

Sorry I left it so late to tell but I've got bad news…my opponent didn't turn up I was devasted, my heart sank when he told me.

W W/O

Sorry to hear that man! Must of heard about all the top advice you were getting online!!! :P

What age are you bye?

Chickenwing47 · 26-10-2015 10:17PM

efb wrote: »

W W/O

Sorry to hear that man! Must of heard about all the top advice you were getting online!!! :P

What age are you bye?

Haha I'd say so, but I've got good news… I weighed in for the leagues then unfortunately I got a head butt to the nose in sparring (in wasn't made intentialy) which put me out of sparing for about 3 weeks and I thought I wouldn't be able to do the leagues but I found out yesterday I hadn't been called out for them yet so I can still fight in them since my nose is better

and I'm 15 by the way haha

efb · 26-10-2015 10:18PM

Best of luck in the leagues. Reffed them a few years ago, some good scraps

Chickenwing47 · 26-10-2015 10:57PM

efb wrote: »

Best of luck in the leagues. Reffed them a few years ago, some good scraps

Thanks. I'm pretty sure my coach already answered this question but I'll be fighting people the same level as me or near enough??

efb · 27-10-2015 03:02AM

Chickenwing47 wrote: »

Thanks. I'm pretty sure my coach already answered this question but I'll be fighting people the same level as me or near enough??

Yes. Pretty much.

poeticmakaveli · 27-10-2015 03:35AM

I am a lefty in absolutely everything I do! Write with left,play ball and left footed, right hand down on pool/snooker table and hold cue with left,throw a dart with left,lefty golf club needed and also a standard guitar does not suit me,I'd prefer to hold a guitar the opposite way (I don't play the guitar by the way)

but boxing I would be southpaw, lead with my right foot, I'm 6'2 so I'd be hoping to throw them long strong jabs with the right and set you up for the big left just that once :-)
I see a disagreement here about you can't be a natural southpaw if you write with your right hand or something, I don't know how true that is but anything I attempt in any way shape or form, I am completely a lefty and comfortable with it, my strongest sport would be soccer and boxing though, the others are just for fun!
Cmon the lefties

efb · 27-10-2015 03:38AM

poeticmakaveli wrote: »

I am a lefty in absolutely everything I do! Write with left,play ball and left footed, right hand down on pool/snooker table and hold cue with left,throw a dart with left,lefty golf club needed and also a standard guitar does not suit me,I'd prefer to hold a guitar the opposite way (I don't play the guitar by the way) but boxing I would be southpaw, lead with my right foot, I'm 6'2 so I'd be hoping to throw them long strong jabs with the right and set you up for the big left just that once :-)
I see a disagreement here about you can't be a natural southpaw if you write with your right hand or something, I don't know how true that is but anything I attempt in any way shape or form, I am completely a lefty and comfortable with it, my strongest sport would be soccer and boxing though, the others are just for fun!
Cmon the lefties

Real lefties ftw

FTA69 · 27-10-2015 05:36PM

Personally I think boxing left handed is a form of rank cheating which should be barred from the sport permanently.

walshb · 27-10-2015 06:34PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Personally I think boxing left handed is a form of rank cheating which should be barred from the sport permanently.

Sore loser!

FTA69 · 27-10-2015 06:39PM

walshb wrote: »

Sore loser!

Never lost a fight to a southpaw actually. (Tore my hair out many a time in many a gym with them though.) Scoundrels to a man. One thing I've been looking at recently though is shifting which is a quick march forward onto the right foot as opposed to switching proper for a length of time. I did in my last fight and ended up catching my opponent as well as landing two sweet hooks after which had him stunned. I nearly floored an open class amateur as well in sparring with the same ruse. It's a great tactic but you only get away with it once against someone who knows what they're doing.

efb · 27-10-2015 06:50PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Never lost a fight to a southpaw actually. (Tore my hair out many a time in many a gym with them though.) Scoundrels to a man. One thing I've been looking at recently though is shifting which is a quick march forward onto the right foot as opposed to switching proper for a length of time. I did in my last fight and ended up catching my opponent as well as landing two sweet hooks after which had him stunned. I nearly floored an open class amateur as well in sparring with the same ruse. It's a great tactic but you only get away with it once against someone who knows what they're doing.

Then quit your belly aching lol

walshb · 28-10-2015 08:52AM

pac_man wrote: »

That bolded word is the key for me in this debate. For me, your stance isn't defined by what hand you write, it's whatever you feel comfortable with.

The bio-mechanics around punching power is for the most part generated from the lower body rather than a dominant hand.

Exactly my point. Southpaw in boxing is not all to do with what is your dominant hand for writing or dominant foot for kicking ball. Yes, southpaws in boxing are more common amongst those who write left handed and kick left footed, but so what....

efb · 28-10-2015 09:33AM

pac_man wrote: »

That bolded word is the key for me in this debate. For me, your stance isn't defined by what hand you write, it's whatever you feel comfortable with.

The bio-mechanics around punching power is for the most part generated from the lower body rather than a dominant hand.

Yes but delivery through the stronger arm plays a part

walshb · 28-10-2015 11:27AM

Littlehorny wrote: »

Marvin Hagler was right handed yet fought was more comfortable and better as a southpaw. Read one time his jab was like getting hit by a truck. Natural southpaw or not, i don't think anyone can question his quality and effectiveness.

He used to switch to orthodox, but you could see he looked so clumsly and awkward with the left leg leading. He is an example of a right handed/right side dominant southpaw. He is a southpaw more due to his far favorable balance and coordination off the right foot lead. Like myself. I'd argue that right side/righ dominanat southpaws are probabaly the better. They have more natural power off both wings combined, plus they lead with the right foot due to the comfortableness of it more than anything else.

efb · 28-10-2015 02:35PM

Someone has a high opinion of themselves!

walshb · 28-10-2015 02:40PM

efb wrote: »

Someone has a high opinion of themselves!

Someone is struggling to use the ignore list!

efb · 28-10-2015 02:41PM

walshb wrote: »

Someone is struggling to use the ignore list!

Someone should know you shouldn't mention the ignore list

Tiriel · 28-10-2015 10:41PM

Ah lads seriously!!

Andre 3000 · 28-10-2015 11:35PM

Andre Ward is a left handed orthodox fighter. Hence why his jab is so bloody good as well as having a very sharp and accurate hook. Is he not a real orthodox fighter so because his dominant hand isn't his? Bullsh*t, Ward is the epitome of what an orthodox fighter can be. If he were told "you're a lefty so you must fight southpaw" there is a chance we'd never even know who he is. You fight according to what feels natural.

Andy Lee is a right handed southpaw fighter. Is Andy Lee not a real southpaw now? Bullsh*t again. You fight according to what feels natural and what's most efficient.

I think Andre Dirrell is a right handed southpaw but he's very comfortable fighting in either stance. A true switch hitter.

TheGlitchKing · 30-10-2015 10:07AM

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Andre Ward is a left handed orthodox fighter. Hence why his jab is so bloody good as well as having a very sharp and accurate hook. Is he not a real orthodox fighter so because his dominant hand isn't his? Bullsh*t, Ward is the epitome of what an orthodox fighter can be. If he were told "you're a lefty so you must fight southpaw" there is a chance we'd never even know who he is. You fight according to what feels natural.

Andy Lee is a right handed southpaw fighter. Is Andy Lee not a real southpaw now? Bullsh*t again. You fight according to what feels natural and what's most efficient.

I think Andre Dirrell is a right handed southpaw but he's very comfortable fighting in either stance. A true switch hitter.

We've already come to the conclusion that natural is a better word than real. We can just assume that someone who is naturally right handed can learn to use his left hand, but will automatically be better using his right hand.

It depends on what you're going for though. If your opponent is vulnerable to south paws and you can fight competently as a south paw than the benefits are probably better than the losses.

walshb · 30-10-2015 10:41AM

TheGlitchKing wrote: »

We've already come to the conclusion that natural is a better word than real. We can just assume that someone who is naturally right handed can learn to use his left hand, but will automatically be better using his right hand.

It depends on what you're going for though. If your opponent is vulnerable to south paws and you can fight competently as a south paw than the benefits are probably better than the losses.

You need to move away from the hand issue here. It's so much more than what is your favourite hand, or what hand you write with. So much more. As mentioned, balance and coordination and comfortableness as regards your feet stance is more important. Not what hand you write with or what foot you kick with. They play a part, but I think you are overstating that part.

I have no issue with believing or accepting that from every 100 southpaws, it is likley that most are left handers as regards writing ot doimng tasks, and most are left footed as regards kicking ball. That's juts statistics. Real and normal aren't ways to define southpaws IMO. More common or more likely are the ways to describe it.

efb · 30-10-2015 12:12PM

You can stick a golden horn on a horse won't make it a unicorn...

How to beat a southpaw

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