Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Mr Alan · 07-10-2015 10:34PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

We've never really had a squad per se ... until we sold Suarez and made CL football cos we needed it. We have better strength in depth and funnily enough when Klopp does find his best players to play his style of football and to play FOR him we'll all be like "Oh, i cannot believe i didn't see him as a great player before" etc ...

He's got a decent panel to choose from. I love it when a manager must make something of another mans team, you get to really see what he is made of.

The expectation is the only thing that will crush him ... like, if we do not hit the ground running and he crashes and burns like ... god forbid.

I know it wasn't directed at you, but if responding to my question surely you should answer it?

I suspect you're not answering because you'd prefer Klopp to inherit the squad Rodgers did as opposed to the one Rodgers has left

I really would be shocked if anyone could argue other than that. In which case no one can possibly say we're left in a better position than when Rodgers found us

Tipsy McSwagger · 07-10-2015 10:34PM

2 Girls 1 Klopp

whatawaster · 07-10-2015 10:34PM

I would dearly love to have Suarez, but would much prefer our current squad.

If Klopp inherited an attack of Suarez, Carroll, Maxi, Bellamy, Cole and Downing, he would have to replace all but one of them in the short to medium term.

Whereas I think there is a lot more to work with in Sturridge, Benteke, Ings, Firmino, Origi, Coutinho ...

Tipsy McSwagger · 07-10-2015 10:35PM

Kloppeye

Mr Alan · 07-10-2015 10:41PM

whatawaster wrote: »

I would dearly love to have Suarez, but would much prefer our current squad.

If Klopp inherited an attack of Suarez, Carroll, Maxi, Bellamy, Cole and Downing, he would have to replace all but one of them in the short to medium term.

Whereas I think there is a lot more to work with in Sturridge, Benteke, Ings, Firmino, Origi, Coutinho ...

You left out Sterling from your initial list.

I'm flabbagasted you'd pick the current squad citing players like Ings, Firminho, Origi, who've contributed pretty much nothing. Other than age, there's no advantage to that group of players IMO.

Give me a squad with Gerrard, Carragher, Suarez, Reina, Sterling and Agger any day of the week.

ricero · 07-10-2015 10:44PM

I see were linked with bernd Leno tonight. Klopp musnt rate mignolet

Harry Palmr · 07-10-2015 10:46PM

ricero wrote: »

I see were linked with bernd Leno tonight. Klopp musnt rate mignolet

Every last man jack of the Bundesliga is going to be name checked from now till January 31st

whatawaster · 07-10-2015 10:47PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

You left out Sterling from your initial list.

I'm flabbagasted you'd pick the current squad citing players like Ings, Firminho, Origi, who've contributed pretty much nothing. Other than age, there's no advantage to that group of players IMO.

Give me a squad with Gerrard, Carragher, Suarez, Reina, Sterling and Agger any day of the week.

4 of those were past past their best and one was 17.

Coutinho, Sturridge and Henderson are 3 proven players for us not yet in their prime. More valuable to a new manager than any of the above bar Suarez.

martingriff · 07-10-2015 10:49PM

Knex. wrote: »

Anyway, here's my last post about Rodgers for a while. Tomorrow onwards, its all Klopp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXI5ank1tf4

Love the commentary in the first Tottenham game:

Suarez not attuned to the game

2 seconds later

Now he is

Ulysses Gaze · 07-10-2015 10:52PM

Not sure if this has been posted. An article on Mike Edwards and his position at Liverpool. £300,000 a year. Spend £30 and get Football Manager 2015 and it would probably get you better results in the transfer market. And you could pay a few scouts to you know scout instead of being tied to a PC all day.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3262490/Liverpool-s-head-technical-performance-Michael-Edwards-laptop-guru-did-number-Brendan-Rodgers.html?login

Like this quote:

Edwards and his team of analysts have invented a new language for football. Strikers are all about goal expectancy, chances created and the percentage of successful passes in the final third. Old-school managers just want to know if the boy can put the ball in the net.

Knex* · 07-10-2015 10:52PM

Man, 13/14 was great craic. The most I've ever enjoyed football, probably, despite the fact it ended trophyless. We'll probably never witness anything quite like that again. Even the narrative of Gerrad making that one last push for the league winners medal added to it all.

Very much looking forward to seeing this new chapter under the absolute character that is Jurgen Klopp.

Agent Coulson · 07-10-2015 10:52PM

Also linked to Cologne's goalkeeper Timo Horn.

martingriff · 07-10-2015 10:59PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

You left out Sterling from your initial list.

I'm flabbagasted you'd pick the current squad citing players like Ings, Firminho, Origi, who've contributed pretty much nothing. Other than age, there's no advantage to that group of players IMO.

Give me a squad with Gerrard, Carragher, Suarez, Reina, Sterling and Agger any day of the week.

Ings has been very good Sturridge getting back to fitness benteke should be well. I would not be in any way harsh with Firminho yet with the amount of time he has played. I am not sure with Origi but I am willing to give him the time. Of course I would love Carragher, Gerrard (except last year) Reina (except his last year) but they are gone if Klopp can get our defence working well which will minimise Minoglet. Then I think he has a good squad to play with until January if he wants to buy and next summer which is when we should look at who he wants to buy.

Agent Coulson · 07-10-2015 11:00PM

We are not the only ones!

https://twitter.com/JohnLithgow/status/651883962797826050

Jesus Wept · 07-10-2015 11:08PM

Cliff notes on wtf is up with boards the last few days? Load of gash.

Jesus Wept · 07-10-2015 11:11PM

klopp Gun

Demosthenese · 07-10-2015 11:12PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know it wasn't directed at you, but if responding to my question surely you should answer it?

I suspect you're not answering because you'd prefer Klopp to inherit the squad Rodgers did as opposed to the one Rodgers has left

I really would be shocked if anyone could argue other than that. In which case no one can possibly say we're left in a better position than when Rodgers found us

We've not had a squad of depth in many a year ... like we have this year. 2 players for every position. So relaying the question about which SQUAD, i'd rather the one we have now.

Obviously regarding the quality of player in said squad - then it's pretty obvious that we'd all love a Suarez (Barring that it wasn;t a world class Suarez at the time, but building towards it) and Gerard/Carragher of course.

but as Rafa proved, even with Stevie and Torres at the peak of their powers, Masch and Alonso in behind, we were still unable to compete on all fronts competently as we had no bench.

monkey9 · 07-10-2015 11:28PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

You really talking about Rodgers in the same breath as Shankly, Paisely & Dalglish?

In terms of title challenges? Yeah, i am. Why,did you not enjoy 2014?

daRobot · 07-10-2015 11:36PM

Klopp spotted test driving new Audi's in Liverpool. RS6 seems to be his choice -an exemplary one imo.

rob316 · 07-10-2015 11:58PM

Knex. wrote: »

Man, 13/14 was great craic. The most I've ever enjoyed football, probably, despite the fact it ended trophyless. We'll probably never witness anything quite like that again. Even the narrative of Gerrad making that one last push for the league winners medal added to it all.

Very much looking forward to seeing this new chapter under the absolute character that is Jurgen Klopp.

Seen that video there it was virtually impossible to continue with the same form next season.
Suarez gone, Sturridge out for the season and Sterling was unsettled from the get go.

You can say Rodgers got lucky he had those 3 players but he made it work to devastating effect. To just recognise Suarez is an injustice to Henderson, Coutinho, Skrtel and Flanagan and their efforts.

18 months of solid progression Rodgers achieved before he lost his way. I will remember him very fondly for 13/14, he made us genuinely believe we were going to clinch the title more than any other manager we had in 25 years. That winning run was phenomenal we looked unstoppable.

Klopp's style is very similar to 13/14 I'm praying he can get us playing like that again.

~Rebel~ · 08-10-2015 12:40AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

You really talking about Rodgers in the same breath as Shankly, Paisely & Dalglish?

I'm sure you know exactly the point he was making.

Having some top class players is just step one to competing for the title. You then need to set everything up to wring every drop out of that talent, and everyone around them.

The way you talk about it, you'd swear that City didn't have Silva, Yaya Toure, Kompany and Aguero etc, that Chelsea didn't have Hazard, Oscar, Matic, Terry etc, that Utd didn't have De Gea, Mata, Vidic, Rooney, Van Persie etc.

All our competitors had undeniably better squads and first 11's. Having one player better than theirs doesn't give you a title challenge - it takes all your assets being utilized in the best way possible.

I think it's especially telling that we had a consistent improvement from when he joined until the end of season 2 - that comes down to working on finding the best ways for your players to compliment each other.

it's just blind ignorance to look at the passing and movement of our players and not recognize the work of the manager - Henderson, Coutinho, Sturridge, Suarez, Sterling - their interplay didn't come from one guy being really good, it came from a ****load of work on the training ground. One guy doesn't pass his way through a team, cutting them open. A team working in unison does.

Rodgers built the perfect machine with the parts available at the time, and yeah, when the biggest cog left, he couldn't make the machine work anymore. But that doesn't remove the credit he should get for making that first machine.

You've always been ludicrously harsh on him, and frankly I don't understand it.

Moist Bread · 08-10-2015 12:52AM

Rogers faced the sack after spectacular Klopp.

Talisman · 08-10-2015 03:09AM

rob316 wrote: »

18 months of solid progression Rodgers achieved before he lost his way. I will remember him very fondly for 13/14, he made us genuinely believe we were going to clinch the title more than any other manager we had in 25 years. That winning run was phenomenal we looked unstoppable.

People were caught up in the euphoria and it wasn't just Liverpool fans - I attended the funeral of a friend's father at the end of March of that year and found it a bit surreal that there were old head Man Utd supporters talking about how Liverpool were going to win the league title as though it was a certainty.

Talisman · 08-10-2015 03:24AM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted. An article on Mike Edwards and his position at Liverpool. £300,000 a year. Spend £30 and get Football Manager 2015 and it would probably get you better results in the transfer market. And you could pay a few scouts to you know scout instead of being tied to a PC all day.

That looks like it had been filed away since last year when Rodgers was briefing members of the press against the transfer committee. Neil Ashton is more than likely playing it now in an effort to try to gain access to the inner circle when Rodgers takes up his next job.

Talisman · 08-10-2015 03:47AM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Yours Faithfully
Joe Allen

Tipsy you barsteward! I just spat coffee all over my laptop.

K-9 · 08-10-2015 04:46AM

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Lads you're all mad. There is NO WAY Klopp will take the job why would he, Liverpool are just a small club...

but just in case he does i've it on good word from a mate in Manchester that he's rubbish anyway and the two league titles were in the Bundesliga, no good teams even in that. Sure its basically like winning the league with Celtic.

Yeah, my United mate wanted him as their manager last year but apparently he's crap now. Our level of manager now.

LuckyLloyd · 08-10-2015 05:22AM

MD1990 wrote: »

Rodgers done a good job overall. 13/14 was an incredible season that I will never forget & Rodgers deserves great credit for that season. I still believe he is a good coach & I think he will go on to have a good career. He also came acoss as a good man despite your constant personal abuse of him which dragged down this thead for years.

Elaborate on "good career"? Do you see him ever having another run at a major title for example?

Caovyn Lineah · 08-10-2015 06:17AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

So if you had a choice of Klopp inheriting the squad he will be, or the squad Rodgers inherited, which would you pick?

Do you remember the squad in 2012? Kenny left behind a pathetic, aging, horrible squad plus Suarez.

Kerrigooney · 08-10-2015 06:26AM

Klopp of the morning,lads.

Vicxas · 08-10-2015 06:40AM

Klopp to the Kop, Klopp.

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