Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

da gamer · 07-10-2015 02:41PM

Ok I'm confused, has Sepp Blatter completely ruled out the utd job then?

Vic Vinegar · 07-10-2015 02:42PM

da gamer wrote: »

Ok I'm confused, has Sepp Blatter completely ruled out the utd job then?

To quote Mike Phelan... Yes

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:44PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

What I can't believe is that I'm having to explain any of this.

Sepp Blatter lies so Mike Phelan is a liar. Sepp Blatter is corrupt so when asked about his plans Mike Phelan for some unknown reason lies about what he would like to do in the future. Why would he do that? Because Sepp Blatter.

Bangkok, you are one hell of a poster.

my point is you can say things and not mean them.

If Phelan wanted a job he would have got one by now. Its not that hard to understand.

Even Paul Gasgoigne managed a team and he was drunk!!

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 02:49PM

bangkok wrote: »

my point is you can say things and not mean them.

If Phelan wanted a job he would have got one by now. Its not that hard to understand.

I wanted to be an brain surgeon, but really I guess I didn't otherwise I would be one by now.

Your logic is outstanding Bangkok, kudos to you.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:53PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

I wanted to be an brain surgeon, but really I guess I didn't otherwise I would be one by now.

Your logic is outstanding Bangkok, kudos to you.

Have you experience being a doctor already? Do you currently work in a hospital? Have you done any courses to become one? Still plenty of time left if you really wanted to become one. What is your current position?

TheDoc · 07-10-2015 02:55PM

bangkok wrote: »

my point is you can say things and not mean them.

If Phelan wanted a job he would have got one by now. Its not that hard to understand.

It is hard to understand, your implying that these people have the litter of choice to employment, based solely on having "hung around" a very successful manager.

I'm really good at my job. And my manager thinks I'm bloody excellent. She tells me how her life is made so much easier cause I "get" management level stuff and manage things and do things that she doesn't have to, that I just find easy.

That doesn't mean tomorrow if she leaves, I'm a shoe in for the job. When all the candidates will have experience in that role, BAR me.Shock horror, club boards don't give a **** that Mike Phelan was an assistant at a successful football club. The success was put down to the manager, and not the assistant.

Steve McClaren is a very REAL example of how being part of a succesfull management team as a no.2 or no.3 does not equal success as a number 1.

So it is hard to understand your point, since your making out that experience looking at someone do something, is experience for you in that role, which is very clearly isn't. And your ignoring the fact that club boards might not be interested in hiring someone with zero managerial experience. Not that they, themselves, are turning down work.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 02:55PM

bangkok wrote: »

Have you experience being a doctor already? Do you currently work in a hospital? Have you done any courses to become one? Still plenty of time left if you really wanted to become one. What is your current position?

Would you believe me if I told you? Because Sepp Blatter.

Whatsisname · 07-10-2015 02:56PM

Bangkok is love. Bangkok is life.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:58PM

TheDoc wrote: »

It is hard to understand, your implying that these people have the litter of choice to employment, based solely on having "hung around" a very successful manager.

I'm really good at my job. And my manager thinks I'm bloody excellent. She tells me how her life is made so much easier cause I "get" management level stuff and manage things and do things that she doesn't have to, that I just find easy.

That doesn't mean tomorrow if she leaves, I'm a shoe in for the job. When all the candidates will have experience in that role, BAR me.

Shock horror, club boards don't give a **** that Mike Phelan was an assistant at a successful football club. The success was put down to the manager, and not the assistant.

Steve McClaren is a very REAL example of how being part of a succesfull management team as a no.2 or no.3 does not equal success as a number 1.

no one is talking about success or not. We are talking about actually getting a job. McLaren has managed and won at the very highest level. Championship winner in Holland, former England manager, was excellent at both Middlesbrough and Derby.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 03:00PM

bangkok wrote: »

We are talking about actually getting a job.

Nope, you were talking about what the men in question wanted, not what they got.

Please don't try to move the goalposts again.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 03:23PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Nope, you were talking about that the men in question wanted, not what they got.

Please don't try to move the goalposts again.

Jesus you don't give up.

Honest question, do you think Brian Kidd has desire now to get a management job?

Blatter · 07-10-2015 03:29PM

One abiding memory I have of Giggs when he took charge for a few games after Moyes got the sack was the reasoning he gave for starting Kagawa against Norwich. He said he played him because he had gotten a hattrick against them the season before, so he liked playing against them.

Now it's by no means a big thing, and it could be an exception/something he just said in an interview to use up the minutes but I remember not linking that shallow kind of logic and it raised a bit of a red flag for me in terms of the quality of his overall decision making.

Nalz · 07-10-2015 03:32PM

Blatter wrote: »

One abiding memory I have of Giggs when he took charge for a few games after Moyes got the sack was the reasoning he gave for starting Kagawa against Norwich. He said he played him because he had gotten a hattrick against them the season before, so he liked playing against them.

Now it's by no means a big thing, and it could be an exception/something he just said in an interview to use up the minutes but I remember not linking that shallow kind of logic and it raised a bit of a red flag for me in terms of the quality of his overall decision making.

I don't know if this adds to or takes away from Giggs but the reason Ings and Benteke started vs United according to Mr. Rodgers is that they both scored at Old Trafford the season before

Make what you will of that

bangkok · 07-10-2015 03:33PM

Blatter wrote: »

One abiding memory I have of Giggs when he took charge for a few games after Moyes got the sack was the reasoning he gave for starting Kagawa against Norwich. He said he played him because he had gotten a hattrick against them the season before, so he liked playing against them.

Now it's by no means a big thing, and it could be an exception/something he just said in an interview to use up the minutes but I remember not linking that shallow kind of logic and it raised a bit of a red flag for me in terms of the quality of his overall decision making.

most managers think along the same logic. Lots of managers even van Gaal pick players to play against former teams as they have a "point to prove"

bangkok · 07-10-2015 03:47PM

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Maximus Alexander · 07-10-2015 03:48PM

bangkok wrote: »

most managers think along the same logic. Lots of managers even van Gaal pick players to play against former teams as they have a "point to prove"

The two are not the same. It makes a lot of sense to play play a player against a club they recent left, becuase they will have an in depth knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition.

That will obviously help that player directly, along with his teammates indirectly because he might, for example, recognise the set play they're about to do ahead of a free kick.

07-10-2015 04:44PM

bangkok wrote: »

no one is talking about success or not. We are talking about actually getting a job. McLaren has managed and won at the very highest level. Championship winner in Holland, former England manager, was excellent at both Middlesbrough and Derby.

We have very different ideas of what the very highest level is.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 04:49PM

Liam O wrote: »

We have very different ideas of what the very highest level is.

England manager is one of the biggest jobs in world football

dr.kenneth noisewater · 07-10-2015 04:54PM

bangkok wrote: »

England manager is one of the biggest jobs in world football

You said won at the highest level, don't think managing England counts as winning

07-10-2015 05:01PM

bangkok wrote: »

England manager is one of the biggest jobs in world football

How do?

England manager is managing a team that does not have the talent to win tourneys but getting crap for not winning tourneys I think it's a terrible job

Pyjamarama · 07-10-2015 06:16PM

June Shapely Utopia wrote: »

How do?

England manager is managing a team that does not have the talent to win tourneys but getting crap for not winning tourneys I think it's a terrible job

Yeah but in fairness you're Irish. Its a HUGE job and McClarens management career is far from a flop or unsuccesful. To argue otherwise is ludicrous. (not that you did in fairness but some people seem to think unless you win champions leagues or premierships you're a failure. How nice it is to sit on the "throne of ease" that being a man united fan has been for most people on here.)

Danye · 07-10-2015 06:19PM

June Shapely Utopia wrote: »

How do?

England manager is managing a team that does not have the talent to win tourneys but getting crap for not winning tourneys I think it's a terrible job

I think he means it's one of the biggest jobs in terms of pressure.

They (Mainly the English media) believe that they should be challenging for and winning major tournaments, despite not having a world class player in their squad.

monkey9 · 07-10-2015 06:26PM

Posted this in the Ireland - Germany match thread. Thought it might be of some interest to you's.

Tony O' Donoghue was saying on the Six One News that Bastian Schweinsteiger today met with some friends and family of Nicolai Schuster, the Bayern Munich fan who died in the Berkeley tragedy. Gave some signed jerseys etc. Lovely gesture.

The_Kew_Tour · 07-10-2015 07:10PM

Ya photo with the family online. I hope that German team ends up in Coppers tonight, give us a chance

Billy86 · 07-10-2015 07:45PM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

You said won at the highest level, don't think managing England counts as winning

considering he is most famous for this night in English football when they failed to qualify for Euro 2008, I find it very odd bangkok would consider him to have been winning there...

bangkok · 07-10-2015 08:35PM

I said mclaren managed at the highest level and it doesn't get much bigger than the England job. It along with Brazil and probably regarded as the most high pressure international jobs in world football.

He also won the league in Holland which was a big feat

ericzeking · 07-10-2015 09:27PM

Personally I don't think Giggs should get the job after LVG in the next 2 years and probably not at all from my limited knowledge of him personality wise and managerial wise.
What I would say is that if he goes and gets the experience everyone talks about in the lower leagues or at a lesser PL team he will end up on the same scrap heap that Robson, Bruce, Ince, Keane, Solskjaer etc have been placed in the minds of fans/pundits/boards/whoever, even though all have had a modicum of success, because no manager is 100% successful all the time. And in this day and age when sackings are so rife he just wouldn't get the chance to recover. So if he doesn't get the United job straight out of the assistants role I reckon he never will.

Someone like Pep has had 2 of the best squads of players imaginable to deal with, he is a massive, massive exception....Barcelona B or no Barcelona B.

Also, Steve McClaren has had a career to be proud of to date, even if he does sound a bit odd ever since he went to the continent. Not getting the United job and not getting the best out of perennial failures England does not change that.

homerjay2005 · 07-10-2015 09:34PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Ya photo with the family online. I hope that German team ends up in Coppers tonight, give us a chance

A friend of mine walked into the lobby of a certain hotel a couple of hours ago and some of the German team were floating about and mingling with others! I'd say Bastian is really approachable.

Nib · 07-10-2015 09:53PM

Vic Vinegar · 07-10-2015 10:01PM

RVP really putting the effort in...

https://twitter.com/FourFourTweet/status/651866204429242368

Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

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