Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

bangkok · 07-10-2015 01:37PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Now just you leave those goalposts alone young man.

Im not moving anything...

Brian Kidd and Mike Phelan have the desire to go into management.

Im saying neither do

TheDoc · 07-10-2015 01:41PM

bangkok wrote: »

Im not moving anything...

Brian Kidd and Mike Phelan have the desire to go into management.

Im saying neither do

The two might have echoed their "desires" to enter management, but it would appear neither are being successful in regards securing this desire.

That they have not or are not getting into what one might consider meaningful managerial appointment, is not a direct tie to them personally not wanting too or saying no. It's most likely that those selecting managers, do not feel they fit the criteria.

We have a manager who banged on about balance for a ****ing year. You'd think we would have it in here. Football discussion isn't one extreme or another.

Maximus Alexander · 07-10-2015 01:42PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You did spend €20000 on the car.

That it was €8000 cash and €12000 material does not change the actual value you exchanged in return for your new car, unless you think your old car had no value outside of that particular trade.

This is missing the point of Liam O's post that you originally argued with, which innocently stated "Didn't spend much in the Summer so I'd be surprised if some cover wasn't signed in January."

A more apt analogy would be that Liam O reckons I need a motorbike and is trying to figure out if I can afford to buy one in January.

He knows that in July I had a car worth 10k and that I had thousands more in the bank. He also knows that I sold that car and bought a new one for 12k.

You claim that the only important figure here in determining whether I can buy a motorbike in January is the 12k I spent on the new car, which is not the case.

Mitch Connor · 07-10-2015 01:49PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Genuinely interested here, cause I'd have never put Monk on a list, and Koeman would have been a fair bit down it, so curious as to why you've name dropped them. They've obviously done something to impress you?

I like the style of football their teams are playing, and the seem to be good in the transfer market - of the PL crowd, I just don't see an interest in anyone else.

Pellegrini - not a realistic target.
Mourinho - think that chance is gone (for good or bad)
Wenger - not a realistic target.
Martinez - I don't rate him.
Sherwood - I don't rate AT ALL.
Klopp - not a realistic target now.
Pochitino- I'm not sold on.

Not sure who else is worth talking about.

I'm not saying that Monk and Koeman should be the very top of the list right now. Right now it would be a small list. A year from now I imagine that list will be Ancelotti, Pep, Simeone and maybe the likes of Monk, Koeman, Giggs, De Boer maybe?

I'm not a big fan of Ancelotti, and I think Pep will be at City - so I reckon Simeone is the only outstanding candidate around - Martin Edwards was pushing for him after Moyes. There will likely be another couple of managers that announce themselves before the end of next season, and I reckon Monk and Koeman could do just that. Incidently, Monk had no experience (iirc) before being name Swansea manager.

adox · 07-10-2015 01:52PM

TheDoc wrote: »

It's not pedantic at all to insist you spent €20,000 on it, as you say, its totally correct, not technically. It's literally what you spent.

The point that I was trying to(maybe not so eloquently)make in relation to the discussion at the time was that there hadnt really been much money invested in the squad in the summer, as in the outgoing players far outweighed in the incoming players and saying €120 million was spent on the team gives the impression that €120 million worth of players have been added to the existing squad.

Saying Utd spent very little in the summer is correct imo, or maybe it should be worded as outlay, but anyway that was the angle I was coming from.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 01:52PM

bangkok wrote: »

Im not moving anything...

Brian Kidd and Mike Phelan have the desire to go into management.

Im saying neither do

You are saying "neither do."

They themselves say that actually, they do.

Wonder who we should believe?

bangkok · 07-10-2015 01:56PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You are saying "neither do."

They themselves say that actually, they do.

Wonder who we should believe?

look at both their CV.

Brian Kidd, 66 years of age. 4 months at Blackburn.

Mike Phelan, 53 years of age. No clubs managed.

Easy to say you have desire, different thing doing it. I wouldn't call either of the above having desire to get a job.

Surely if they wanted a job someone would have given him a chance? But they didn't want it, they prefer coaching players. Fair play to them

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 01:58PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

You claim that the only important figure here in determining whether I can buy a motorbike in January is the 12k I spent on the new car, which is not the case.

I claim that if you want a new motorbike, you can't ignore that you already bought a few motorbikes in the summer.

You can say that you juggled your pennies and so got a few bargains in the summer but I'm still going to ask why you spent 12k on new motorbikes but still need a new motorbike.

07-10-2015 01:58PM

Jesus Christ, I'll change it to there wasn't net outlay if it stops the stupid nitpicking. People just looking for silly arguments...

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 01:59PM

bangkok wrote: »

Surely if they wanted a job someone would have given him a chance? But they didn't want it, they prefer coaching players. Fair play to them

Jesus, you are still staying they didn't want to be managers, despite the men themselves claiming otherwise.

Thats impressive even for you.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:04PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Jesus, you are still staying they didn't want to be managers, despite the men themselves claiming otherwise.

Thats impressive even for you.

But they didn't!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ.

Look €50 to the charity of your choice if either of them get a job managing a team

€50 to a charity of my choice if they don't, for each person that's €100.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:07PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Jesus, you are still staying they didn't want to be managers, despite the men themselves claiming otherwise.

Thats impressive even for you.

Sepp Blatter said he is not corrupt

Bertie Ahern DID win the money on them horses

da gamer · 07-10-2015 02:09PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Jesus, you are still staying they didn't want to be managers, despite the men themselves claiming otherwise.

Thats impressive even for you.

I'm not saying I agree with bangkok becoming a spokesman for these men but surely if Brian Kidd was as eager to get into football management as you claim he is he would have found some managers position since 1999? 16 years is a long time to be saying you want a managerial position

dr.kenneth noisewater · 07-10-2015 02:09PM

Wasn't Mike Phelan trying to get the West Brom job before Pulis did?
Brian Kidd had desire to be a manger but that changed when he realized he wasn't up to the job.
I think both worked with such a big and successful club that they would have wanted at least a premier league job rather than drop down to a club in championship and never probably took a chance and were waiting for a big job to come along

What would people think of Simeone being next manager?

da gamer · 07-10-2015 02:14PM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

What would people think of Simeone being next manager?

I think Simeone wouldn't be the worst shout. Unlike Pep he won a La liga title without having the best players in the world to choose from. My only concern with him would be his temperament, he comes across as a bit mourinho like in that regard

jaykay74 · 07-10-2015 02:22PM

bangkok wrote: »

But they didn't!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ.

Look €50 to the charity of your choice if either of them get a job managing a team

€50 to a charity of my choice if they don't, for each person that's €100.

Does that bet extend to the point both men die, cos that could take a while. Or maybe pension age which in Phelans case is over a decade away. Bet doesn't really make sense.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 02:26PM

bangkok wrote: »

But they didn't!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ.

Look €50 to the charity of your choice if either of them get a job managing a team

€50 to a charity of my choice if they don't, for each person that's €100.

For gods sake. :rolleyes:

In line one you yet again claim they didn't want to be managers.

Then in line two you offer a bet for a different claim altogether.

Is this performance art or do you really struggle with these concepts as much as it seems? Let me try one more time to help.

Wanting something is not the same as achieving that goal. Do you understand that bit?

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:27PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

Does that bet extend to the point both men die, cos that could take a while. Or maybe pension age which in Phelans case is over a decade away. Bet doesn't really make sense.

ehh retire from football..

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 02:28PM

da gamer wrote: »

I'm not saying I agree with bangkok becoming a spokesman for these men but surely if Brian Kidd was as eager to get into football management as you claim he is he would have found some managers position since 1999? 16 years is a long time to be saying you want a managerial position

Bangkoks claim was that neither wanted to be managers. His claim, not mine.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:28PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

For gods sake. :rolleyes:

In line one you yet again claim they didn't want to be managers.

Then in line two you offer a bet for a different claim altogether.

Is this performance art or do you really struggle with these concepts as much as it seems? Let me try one more time to help.

Wanting something is not the same as achieving that goal. Do you understand that bit?

because I an 100% sure they don't/wont get a management job.

Anyway, they said they wanted to be managers, must be true

jaykay74 · 07-10-2015 02:28PM

bangkok wrote: »

ehh retire from football..

So potentially 10 years or more in Phelans case. Not a very practical bet or..?

jaykay74 · 07-10-2015 02:29PM

I'm sure he was satisfied being a caretaker anyway. Probably just helping out the club.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2898800/What-happened-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-s-right-hand-men.html

6 January 2015

Mike Phelan's aim of becoming a manager in his own right after 12 years on Sir Alex Ferguson’s backroom staff has moved a step closer after he was put in temporary charge of Norwich City.
The 52-year-old is now favourite to take over at Carrow Road on a permanent basis, having served his old club as assistant to Gary Megson in the mid-90s and, more recently, first-team coach under Neil Adams.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:29PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

So potentially 10 years or more in Phelans case. Not a very practical bet or..?

well kidd is 66 so we shouldn't have to wait long for that €50

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 02:29PM

bangkok wrote: »

because I an 100% sure they don't/wont get a management job.

Anyway, they said they wanted to be managers, must be true

You are 100% sure Mike Phelan doesn't want to be a manager? Despite a direct quote from the man saying he does?

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:31PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

I'm sure he was satisfied being a caretaker anyway. Probably just helping out the club.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2898800/What-happened-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-s-right-hand-men.html

6 January 2015

On 20 January 2015, Phelan left the club by mutual consent

Currently assistant manager at Hull

bangkok · 07-10-2015 02:32PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

You are 100% sure Mike Phelan doesn't want to be a manager? Despite a direct quote from the man saying he does?

Sepp Blatter said he is not corrupt. Do you believe him?

jaykay74 · 07-10-2015 02:32PM

bangkok wrote: »

On 20 January 2015, Phelan left the club by mutual consent

Currently assistant manager at Hull

*bides time until Hull manager sacked*

10 year countdown tick tock....

Vic Vinegar · 07-10-2015 02:33PM

You just have to laugh at this stage.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 02:35PM

bangkok wrote: »

Sepp Blatter said he is not corrupt. Do you believe him?

What I can't believe is that I'm having to explain any of this.

Sepp Blatter lies so Mike Phelan is a liar. Sepp Blatter is corrupt so when asked about his plans Mike Phelan for some unknown reason lies about what he would like to do in the future. Why would he do that? Because Sepp Blatter.

Bangkok, you are one hell of a poster.

Backstreet Moyes · 07-10-2015 02:40PM

So Blatter lies and says he is not corrupt because he doesn't want to go to jail.

Mike Phelan lies saying he wants to be a manager because he doesn't want to go to jail.

I now understand why Blatter telling a lie means Phelan also lied.

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