Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

homerjay2005 · 07-10-2015 10:05AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I would be expecting a title challenge and a serious run in the cups.

id be very surprised if we are still in with a realistic chance of the title by March, i just dont think theres enough quality in our team to get near the others.

the lack of squad depth will impact our cup runs also. i hope i am wrong and i could well be, but our squad has many problems right now.

07-10-2015 10:28AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

id be very surprised if we are still in with a realistic chance of the title by March, i just dont think theres enough quality in our team to get near the others.

the lack of squad depth will impact our cup runs also. i hope i am wrong and i could well be, but our squad has many problems right now.

Didn't spend much in the Summer so I'd be surprised if some cover wasn't signed in January. You can register one player for the CL latter stages who has played in the EL as far as I know so I await Reus to solve the full back cover problem.

sky88 · 07-10-2015 10:30AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

id be very surprised if we are still in with a realistic chance of the title by March, i just dont think theres enough quality in our team to get near the others.

the lack of squad depth will impact our cup runs also. i hope i am wrong and i could well be, but our squad has many problems right now.

I think were all in for a very strange season and i wouldnt be surprised if theres city, arsenal and united in the title race by March.

City's spine of the team is so important to them and kompany and aguero are injury prone so there's good chances they'll drop points without them and arsenal are well arsenal they can be amazing like they were on sunday or absolutely hopeless like last Tuesday.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 10:56AM

Liam O wrote: »

Didn't spend much in the Summer

We spent £120m in the summer.

Hococop · 07-10-2015 11:08AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

We spent £120m in the summer.

I'm guessing net spend which was 20 millionish

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 11:12AM

Hococop wrote: »

I'm guessing net spend which was 20 millionish

Net spend is for accountants and Liverpool fans.

In terms of the players you have available, the important figure is just "spend".

da gamer · 07-10-2015 11:19AM

I'm surprised by the hostility towards Giggs becoming manager. IF it happens, it will be no surprise, he was appointed assistant for two reasons, 1 to help van gaal as he knows the club inside out and 2 to gain experience to become a manager himself. Van gaal basically said Giggs will be the next manager a few weeks ago.
To suggest sending Giggs to Sunderland or the like to gain experience of working with a lower budget, whats the point? Moyes worked for 11 years on a lower budget, as did Rodgers at Swansea and Reading, how did that fair for them when they got bigger jobs? Too much emphasis is being put on getting a world class manager. A lot of people suggesting pep, which is funny because when he got the Barcelona job he had less experience than Giggs would have as utd manager.

I'm not saying Giggs would be a successful appointment, time would only tell. But nobody knows the club better and he will have gained experience from the best in Fergie and also 3 years with van gaal, that imo would be more beneficial than managing Kaboul et al for a year at Sunderland. I think one more thing we forget is that the coaching staff a manager picks has a huge bearing on the outcome of their tenure. If giggs were to pick the right staff around him, it makes his 'lack of experience' less of a problem. But if he becomes manager and he appoints Phil Neville as first team coach it will then become apparent he knows zilch about football management.

07-10-2015 11:26AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Net spend is for accountants and Liverpool fans.

In terms of the players you have available, the important figure is just "spend".

You're right, lucky the person in charge of transfers at United is an accountant then.

In terms of the wage bill's reduction, United are probably saving money on this season's transfer activity overall.

homerjay2005 · 07-10-2015 11:27AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Net spend is for accountants and Liverpool fans.

In terms of the players you have available, the important figure is just "spend".

its very relevent in terms of what potentially is available to us, our outlay during the summer is way below what everybody expected.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 11:29AM

Liam O wrote: »

You're right, lucky the person in charge of transfers at United is an accountant then.

In terms of the wage bill's reduction, United are probably saving money on this season's transfer activity overall.

Which is all super duper, but the post you originally responded to was in reference to squad depth, and you originally said we didn't spend much in the summer.

We did spend a lot, we spent £120m, thats a lot in any industry.

07-10-2015 11:29AM

da gamer wrote: »

I'm surprised by the hostility towards Giggs becoming manager. IF it happens, it will be no surprise, he was appointed assistant for two reasons, 1 to help van gaal as he knows the club inside out and 2 to gain experience to become a manager himself. Van gaal basically said Giggs will be the next manager a few weeks ago.
To suggest sending Giggs to Sunderland or the like to gain experience of working with a lower budget, whats the point? Moyes worked for 11 years on a lower budget, as did Rodgers at Swansea and Reading, how did that fair for them when they got bigger jobs? Too much emphasis is being put on getting a world class manager. A lot of people suggesting pep, which is funny because when he got the Barcelona job he had less experience than Giggs would have as utd manager.

I'm not saying Giggs would be a successful appointment, time would only tell. But nobody knows the club better and he will have gained experience from the best in Fergie and also 3 years with van gaal, that imo would be more beneficial than managing Kaboul et al for a year at Sunderland. I think one more thing we forget is that the coaching staff a manager picks has a huge bearing on the outcome of their tenure. If giggs were to pick the right staff around him, it makes his 'lack of experience' less of a problem. But if he becomes manager and he appoints Phil Neville as first team coach it will then become apparent he knows zilch about football management.

Pep had successfully coached the Barcelona B team. In the same style as he would move on with some of the same players to coach the senior team. Not the same as whispering in LVG's ear for 90 minutes a week maybe but still something I guess...

da gamer · 07-10-2015 11:41AM

Liam O wrote: »

Pep had successfully coached the Barcelona B team. In the same style as he would move on with some of the same players to coach the senior team. Not the same as whispering in LVG's ear for 90 minutes a week maybe but still something I guess...

He spent one season with the Barcelona B team. Giggs will have spent 3 years in a management role at utd. Although I wasn't aware that giggs only has to turn up for work for 90 minutes a week to whisper into Lvgs ear then gets the rest of the week off

bangkok · 07-10-2015 11:43AM

Liam O wrote: »

Pep had successfully coached the Barcelona B team. In the same style as he would move on with some of the same players to coach the senior team. Not the same as whispering in LVG's ear for 90 minutes a week maybe but still something I guess...

yea nothing about being on the training ground for the other 5 or 6 days..:rolleyes:

RobertKK · 07-10-2015 11:45AM

It was bad enough when Moyes was sacked and some were calling for Giggs to be made the permanent manager and have the class of 92 working with him.
All lacked proper experience.

What I don't get is why some people have this romantic, sentimental type view towards Giggs. The Sunderland job is available, do people believe Giggs is qualified for that job?
Is Giggs qualified to take over Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich?

When it comes to the next manager of United, the board should look to the least riskiest choice possible with the following things being requirements - a history of winning, experience of managing a top team, and is use to challenging and winning titles.

Sitting next to and working with Van Gaal doesn't make Giggs anywhere near qualified for the United job.

Lovely Bloke · 07-10-2015 11:47AM

Was Pep qualified for the Villareal job at the time he took over at Barca, would he have got the Bayern job at that time?

bangkok · 07-10-2015 11:48AM

RobertKK wrote: »

It was bad enough when Moyes was sacked and some were calling for Giggs to be made the permanent manager and have the class of 92 working with him.
All lacked proper experience.

What I don't get is why some people have this romantic, sentimental type view towards Giggs. The Sunderland job is available, do people believe Giggs is qualified for that job?
Is Giggs qualified to take over Real Madrid, Barcelona or Bayern Munich?

When it comes to the next manager of United, the board should look to the least riskiest choice possible with the following things being requirements - a history of winning, experience of managing a top team, and is use to challenging and winning titles.

Sitting next to and working with Van Gaal doesn't make Giggs anywhere near qualified for the United job.

sunderland job or Man utd assistant manager where you have just spent the last 30 years of your life... I know which one I would choose

07-10-2015 11:48AM

da gamer wrote: »

He spent one season with the Barcelona B team. Giggs will have spent 3 years in a management role at utd. Although I wasn't aware that giggs only has to turn up for work for 90 minutes a week to whisper into Lvgs ear then gets the rest of the week off

What tactical and selection decisions do you think Giggs would be making on a weekly basis?

Cookie_Dough · 07-10-2015 11:52AM

bangkok wrote: »

if you have the right players you could play 4-4-2 no problem in majority of games and play 4-5-1 in big games.

Imagine we lined up like this at start of next season

de gea

Darmain
Smalling
Blind
Shaw

Bale
Schneiderlin
Herrera
Memphis

Martial
Ronaldo

Ronaldo and Bale our 2 mega signings next summer. Anchelotti our new manager. We would beat most teams easy enough with that line up, serious pace in the team.

shadowcomplex is that you?

Rayne Wooney · 07-10-2015 11:52AM

If we continue to challenge and get to the latter stages of the CL, maybe a cup win in one of the other two, I think this season would be a good one

Next season we should either win or be very close to winning the league with all of the money spent and that will be spent next summer, Van Gaal has no excuse not to after getting 3 years

If we want to be talked about in the same league as Bayern, Madrid and Barca again, what managers of theirs have been given 3 years and a war chest of cash and not won a major trophy? I can't remember the last time

RobertKK · 07-10-2015 11:57AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Was Pep qualified for the Villareal job at the time he took over at Barca, would he have got the Bayern job at that time?

Pep had done more than just manage a team for 4 games when he took over.

RobertKK · 07-10-2015 12:03PM

bangkok wrote: »

sunderland job or Man utd assistant manager where you have just spent the last 30 years of your life... I know which one I would choose

He shouldn't be given a choice of the United job.

Here in Kilkenny we wouldn't give the manager job to Henry Shefflin if Brian Cody was leaving (which he isn't) as he currently has no experience, and that is an amateur sport.
Yet we have people calling for a professional sport to give one of the top jobs in the sport to a person who only managed for 4 games - games where he dropped players for his friends, where he said he couldn't sleep properly and he clearly was not ready to be a manager.
Where is the evidence that Giggs is now somehow qualified for the job?

Lord TSC · 07-10-2015 12:06PM

The Pep comparisons actually are annoying me. One example of a successful transition (if we're taking Pep and Giggs as being similar in broadest strokes) does not mean all subsequent promotions of similiar nature will be successful. Can we create a list of managers who took over one of the biggest clubs in the world and became world class managers? Or is it a list of one right now?

Pep, to me, looks an exception to common sense logic, not a foundation.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 12:06PM

bangkok wrote: »

yea nothing about being on the training ground for the other 5 or 6 days..:rolleyes:

So, Mike Phelan for United manager, do you have any thoughts on that?

Flint Fredstone · 07-10-2015 12:14PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Net spend is for accountants and Liverpool fans.

In terms of the players you have available, the important figure is just "spend".

Net spend is the important figure.

Trond · 07-10-2015 12:18PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

The Pep comparisons actually are annoying me. One example of a successful transition (if we're taking Pep and Giggs as being similar in broadest strokes) does not mean all subsequent promotions of similiar nature will be successful. Can we create a list of managers who took over one of the biggest clubs in the world and became world class managers? Or is it a list of one right now?

Pep, to me, looks an exception to common sense logic, not a foundation.

Agreed.....Ole was great with our reserves and look how that worked out at a higher level.....

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 12:21PM

Trond wrote: »

Agreed.....Ole was great with our reserves and look how that worked out at a higher level.....

Steve McClaren was a superb coach, one of the most sought after in Europe.

Carolos Quieroz was integral to us winning the CL and all subsequent success.

Brian Kidd was integral to us finally winning the league after 26 years.

da gamer · 07-10-2015 12:23PM

Liam O wrote: »

What tactical and selection decisions do you think Giggs would be making on a weekly basis?

More than you expect obviously. Do you honestly think a club like utd would employ someone to 'whisper into lvgs ear'? Do you think giggs is sent home after matchday and told see you next Saturday giggsy? I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes of Manchester Utd but I'd be pretty sure that the assistant manager of the club is at least asked what their opinion is from time to time.

Mitch Connor · 07-10-2015 12:24PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

The Pep comparisons actually are annoying me. One example of a successful transition (if we're taking Pep and Giggs as being similar in broadest strokes) does not mean all subsequent promotions of similiar nature will be successful. Can we create a list of managers who took over one of the biggest clubs in the world and became world class managers? Or is it a list of one right now?

Pep, to me, looks an exception to common sense logic, not a foundation.

Agreed - many have turned their hand to management and failed. many more than have succeeded, no matter their background.

Any manager we bring in is a gamble - LVG is a gamble, and we still don't know if that is going to pay off (my personal opinion is: No). I'd have loved for United to have gone for Klopp, not a chance of it now, obviously.

Right now I don't think there is an outstanding candidate to move for a year and a half from now - I don't think Pep will be attainable and Mourinho is making himself unapproachable, imo. Ancelotti is the only other big name I can think of. Monk at Swansea or Koeman would be two i'd be taking a look at now, to be honest.

If it turns out to be Giggs, I will assume he has impressed everyone involved at United in the 4 years he has been in a non-playing role.

bucketybuck · 07-10-2015 12:25PM

da gamer wrote: »

More than you expect obviously. Do you honestly think a club like utd would employ someone to 'whisper into lvgs ear'? Do you think giggs is sent home after matchday and told see you next Saturday giggsy? I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes of Manchester Utd but I'd be pretty sure that the assistant manager of the club is at least asked what their opinion is from time to time.

Do you think Phelan, McClaren, Queiroz or Kidd should be our next manager?

Each of them worked with the greatest ever, and more importantly each of them as assistant manager contributed directly to success and to trophies, something that as of yet Giggs has not done.

So why Giggs and not the others?

Mitch Connor · 07-10-2015 12:26PM

da gamer wrote: »

More than you expect obviously. Do you honestly think a club like utd would employ someone to 'whisper into lvgs ear'? Do you think giggs is sent home after matchday and told see you next Saturday giggsy? I'm not privy to what goes on behind the scenes of Manchester Utd but I'd be pretty sure that the assistant manager of the club is at least asked what their opinion is from time to time.

I think Giggs is in charge of opposition analysis and scouting (What Mourinho did at Barcelona, I think).

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