Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015

Sand · 06-10-2015 11:32PM

Fellaindinho wrote: »

Like moyes?

Moyes was a very experienced premier league manager with a good track record of delivering relative success on a shoe string. That United was beyond his abilities should serve as a stark warning for people who want to hand over the reins of Old Trafford to a manager wearing his L plates. [ I still think Moyes will do a very good job at Liverpool]

I have a deep dark feeling of dread when I consider Giggs taking over from LVG. Its the same sort of thinking that saw Shearer as Newcastle manager, and will probably see Stevie Me running Liverpool at some point in the next decade. I have more faith in cold, calculating money men who have never seen a football making the decisions than football fans if Giggs is the manager (some) fans come up with.

I just have some faith the the Glazers are evil maniacal American overlords who wont be swayed by petty romanticism and will appoint someone who has...you know, won something.... as a manager to lead United after LVG.

da gamer · 06-10-2015 11:34PM

StringerBell wrote: »

This

Yes?

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 06-10-2015 11:42PM

Sand wrote: »

Moyes was a very experienced premier league manager with a good track record of delivering relative success on a shoe string. That United was beyond his abilities should serve as a stark warning for people who want to hand over the reins of Old Trafford to a manager wearing his L plates. [ I still think Moyes will do a very good job at Liverpool]

I have a deep dark feeling of dread when I consider Giggs taking over from LVG. Its the same sort of thinking that saw Shearer as Newcastle manager, and will probably see Stevie Me running Liverpool at some point in the next decade. I have more faith in cold, calculating money men who have never seen a football making the decisions than football fans if Giggs is the manager (some) fans come up with.

I just have some faith the the Glazers are evil maniacal American overlords who wont be swayed by petty romanticism and will appoint someone who has...you know, won something.... as a manager to lead United after LVG.

Moyes @ Liverpool...wut

StringerBell · 07-10-2015 12:00AM

da gamer wrote: »

Yes?

Yes.

Sand · 07-10-2015 12:07AM

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Moyes @ Liverpool...wut

Hey, yesterday the word was that Klopp was going to be announced Tuesday. Now the news is that Klopp is going to be announced Friday. Klopp was available in the summer, but Liverpool didn't move for him. Liverpool are what...6 points off the leaders, and 3 points off 4th place. What changed? Why sack Rodgers in the aftermath of a credible draw with Everton where the team put in a performance that indicated they were playing for the manager?

Moyes is available, is familiar with the Liverpool area, has a good track record in bringing in effective players on the cheap, and is a very experienced PL manager who came into Everton and turned them from relegation candidates into top 6 candidates. I think he would be an excellent long term appointment for Liverpool and will build them back up to a top 6 side.

Klopp may end up appointed...but if it occurred it would be a bad move for Klopp (holiday for a few more months and he would get Real), and after the initial bout of delirium by Liverpool fans they will increasingly recognise it is a bad move for the club - nothing in Klopps career has indicated he can get bad to average players playing more than average. And bad to average players is all Liverpool have.

Kirby · 07-10-2015 12:38AM

Because FSG arent that insane to appoint a long time evertonian manager who has never won anything. They prefer managers who have never won anything from far away. Appointing Moyes would be suicide.

Mikeyt086 · 07-10-2015 12:47AM

Couldn't love these two any more.

https://streamable.com/jqvf?t=3.3

07-10-2015 01:00AM

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Couldn't love these two any more.

https://streamable.com/jqvf?t=3.3

Reminds me of this...

Denis Radaman

Liam McPoyle · 07-10-2015 05:57AM

Id be hoping someone like Carlo takes over when LVG leaves. However I wouldnt at all be surprised if he extends his stay after the 3 years are up.

IamtheWalrus · 07-10-2015 08:01AM

Business Cat wrote: »

Id be hoping someone like Carlo takes over when LVG leaves. However I wouldnt at all be surprised if he extends his stay after the 3 years are up.

Agreed. Proven track record at the highest level, classy individual. I think Liverpool are silly if they are chosing Kloop over him.

Lord TSC · 07-10-2015 08:25AM

Appointing Giggs manager would be making all the mistakes of the Moyes appointment (sentimentality, who-you-know-ism) without any of the actual explainable pros (experience in the PL, doing well with lower budgets, etc).
Potential to be a ****ing disaster of an appointment at a time when we can't afford a disaster....we tried taking a gamble with Moyes, it failed. Whats needed now is the stability of a manager we know will be world class, not one we hope might be yet have absolutely no way of knowing what type of manager he is, let alone what level...

Lovely Bloke · 07-10-2015 08:30AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Appointing Giggs manager would be making all the mistakes of the Moyes appointment (sentimentality, who-you-know-ism) without any of the actual explainable pros (experience in the PL, doing well with lower budgets, etc).
Potential to be a ****ing disaster of an appointment at a time when we can't afford a disaster....we tried taking a gamble with Moyes, it failed. Whats needed now is the stability of a manager we know will be world class, not one we hope might be yet have absolutely no way of knowing what type of manager he is, let alone what level...

Ah now, in fairness, Ryan Fncking Giggs is hardly likely to be some ultra-defensive kind of manager, now is he?

homerjay2005 · 07-10-2015 08:37AM

while i know his age and certain comments from him (about retiring to be spending more time with his wife in 1-2 years time) spark debate, all this talk about our next manager is very interesting. it does seem that while theres a huge majority of our fans who are happy with LVG, theres growing discontent/frustration with him and some fans wouldnt be sad to see him gone in the summer. he has steadied the ship somewhat, but i believe its a case of 2 steps forward, 1 step back with him all the time, he does great things and then we are right back down to earth then a short time later with poor football, performance and results - we cant seem to get any consistency with him.

personally im undecided as such (as in, i dont think id want him gone this season at all) but if he didnt deliver a 3rd place finish at least by the summer and somebody like Pep was available, i think we should cut our losses on him and move on.

would most people agree with that?

bangkok · 07-10-2015 08:41AM

if van gaal left the club in the morning how would he be looked back on? Imo it wouldn't be anything to write home about. He has been average at best. some of his decisions have been very strange to say the least

sky88 · 07-10-2015 08:51AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Appointing Giggs manager would be making all the mistakes of the Moyes appointment (sentimentality, who-you-know-ism) without any of the actual explainable pros (experience in the PL, doing well with lower budgets, etc).
Potential to be a ****ing disaster of an appointment at a time when we can't afford a disaster....we tried taking a gamble with Moyes, it failed. Whats needed now is the stability of a manager we know will be world class, not one we hope might be yet have absolutely no way of knowing what type of manager he is, let alone what level...

Id be very worried Giggs would try to go back to the old 442 formation hes been brought up on which i kind of feel the entire class of 92 want to revert to when they speak to the media and in his few games as manager weren't inspiring choices,granted it was a short time so probaley harsh to judge.

I would much rather he got experience somewere else then if hes a success comes back after an ancolotti or pep has a term there.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 08:53AM

sky88 wrote: »

Id be very worried Giggs would try to go back to the old 442 formation hes been brought up on which i kind of feel the entire class of 92 want to revert to when they speak to the media and in his few games as manager weren't inspiring choices,granted it was a short time so probaley harsh to judge.

I would much rather he got experience somewere else then if hes a success comes back after an ancolotti or pep has a term there.

why would you be worried going back to a 4-4-2? some of the best football played in the clubs history was 4-4-2. without the ball it could be a 4-5-1.

Mitch Connor · 07-10-2015 08:56AM

Lord TSC wrote: »

Appointing Giggs manager would be making all the mistakes of the Moyes appointment (sentimentality, who-you-know-ism) without any of the actual explainable pros (experience in the PL, doing well with lower budgets, etc).
Potential to be a ****ing disaster of an appointment at a time when we can't afford a disaster....we tried taking a gamble with Moyes, it failed. Whats needed now is the stability of a manager we know will be world class, not one we hope might be yet have absolutely no way of knowing what type of manager he is, let alone what level...

Giggs will have been working in a management (assistant) or coaching capacity for 4 years when LVG is expected to retire. EVERYONE at the club will have been reviewing him in this time and will know what he is like with regards to training and his thoughts on squad building etc. He will be an unproven manager, yes, but he won't be a complete unknown to the club. The club will know a great deal about him - his interview for the job will have been years long.

I'm not saying I'm certain he would be a success; as I hav no way of knowing what his knowledge of the game is like or understanding of tactics etc - but the club will have a lot of info to go on when the time comes, and if he is selected as the next United manager then they must feel confident by what he has shown in his non-playing roles.

homerjay2005 · 07-10-2015 08:56AM

one aspect (of which there are many) that needs to change, is our slow starts in games. i am struggling to think of any game yet this season in the league where we have played well in the first half. the Arsenal game really brought this home, just how poor we are starting games.

if you look at our 8 league games, we have only scored 4 goals in the first half and all 4 of those games the performances was pretty poor to say the least.

one of those goals (Southampton) we were already 1-0 down and in Sunderland, the goal came in injury time.

apart from the Kyle Walker own goal, weve not scored in the first 1/3rd of any game with Adnas goal against Villa on ~30 minutes the next in line.

even in Europe, we went behind against Bruges early on, were 2-1 down at Half time against PSV (though we played well) and then also went behind early against Wolfsburg last week.

is this down to the way the manager is setting up the team, in terms of starting games with not much intent on attacking, just getting control of the ball but not doing much with it?

sky88 · 07-10-2015 08:58AM

bangkok wrote: »

why would you be worried going back to a 4-4-2? some of the best football played in the clubs history was 4-4-2. without the ball it could be a 4-5-1.

i meant a flat 442 which i think just doesnt work anymore even a diamond 442 is hard to get working with liverpool it only worked because of Suarez being so good.

RobertKK · 07-10-2015 09:00AM

Van Gaal has gotten things back on track, he had a difficult start, with defensive injuries and I think he soon realised into the season that the midfield was not great, we know about the attack - it lacked goals and we are scoring better this year than last.
Van Gaal was not afraid to prune, some can argue he pruned too much and we saw how devastating he can be when he cleared out much of the team that lost to MK Dons.
This season things have taken a step up and we look better since Martial was bought after a decent start points wise to the league.
Under Van Gaal, the trajectory of the club is going in the right direction - he got us back in the CL and we are still challengers for the league, but City remain clear favourites.
Overall he will be seen as the man who as Homer said has steadied the ship. Not to mention transformed the team with so many new faces while doing so.

homerjay2005 · 07-10-2015 09:03AM

sky88 wrote: »

i meant a flat 442 which i think just doesnt work anymore even a diamond 442 is hard to get working with liverpool it only worked because of Suarez being so good.

for us to play 4-4-2 we'd need to sign another winger, if not 2. Nani was a dream player for 4-4-2, not sure if Memphis can play in that role.

the other side of course is that theres not a huge difference between what we have now (2 sitting midfielders, Mata and Memphis wide, rooney off striker) and 4-4-2 except the wingers are not traditional wide men and our width comes from fullbacks

Lovely Bloke · 07-10-2015 09:11AM

People talking about 442 may as well be talking about WM

Lord TSC · 07-10-2015 09:16AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Ah now, in fairness, Ryan Fncking Giggs is hardly likely to be some ultra-defensive kind of manager, now is he?

Well, given the narrative is that LVG is basically training him to be his successor, is it that out of the ordinary to suggest Giggs would be aiming to maintain the philosophy that LVG establishes? He may try to emulate Fergie, he may try and maintain LVGs style or he may has his own. We have no way of knowing.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

while i know his age and certain comments from him (about retiring to be spending more time with his wife in 1-2 years time) spark debate, all this talk about our next manager is very interesting. it does seem that while theres a huge majority of our fans who are happy with LVG, theres growing discontent/frustration with him and some fans wouldnt be sad to see him gone in the summer. he has steadied the ship somewhat, but i believe its a case of 2 steps forward, 1 step back with him all the time, he does great things and then we are right back down to earth then a short time later with poor football, performance and results - we cant seem to get any consistency with him.

personally im undecided as such (as in, i dont think id want him gone this season at all) but if he didnt deliver a 3rd place finish at least by the summer and somebody like Pep was available, i think we should cut our losses on him and move on.

would most people agree with that?

I would be expecting a title challenge and a serious run in the cups.

But I think a lot of the discussion stems simply from the fact he's said he will only be here for the three years and then he's off. That will always naturally lead to discussions about whose next. I wouldn't want him replaced right now, and would only be looking to move him off in the summer if he fails to mount a significant title challenge. But it will be interesting to see what happens if Pep does become available. If there's any doubt this summer coming, I don't think we'll have the same issue we had post Fergie with regards a lack of viable candidates.

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Giggs will have been working in a management (assistant) or coaching capacity for 4 years when LVG is expected to retire. EVERYONE at the club will have been reviewing him in this time and will know what he is like with regards to training and his thoughts on squad building etc. He will be an unproven manager, yes, but he won't be a complete unknown to the club. The club will know a great deal about him - his interview for the job will have been years long.

I'm not saying I'm certain he would be a success; as I hav no way of knowing what his knowledge of the game is like or understanding of tactics etc - but the club will have a lot of info to go on when the time comes, and if he is selected as the next United manager then they must feel confident by what he has shown in his non-playing roles.

Thats fair enough, and I can completly appreciate that those behind the scenes might have more knowledge. But there's two things that would worry me...

1. The same people decided that Moyes was ok for the job, and he was an unmitigated disaster. My trust with regards their decision making skills is low, and I'd rather that they choose someone with a CV adorned with titles showing they are from the top bracket.

2. Regardless of what they've seen of him in the number two role, the only way to judge how good a number one he'd make is to see him in action as a number one. He might be beloved in the training ground, he might show great ability as a second-in-command. But until he actually gets experience as a Number 1, no one can 100% say he's the right man to lead the club forward.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 09:22AM

if you have the right players you could play 4-4-2 no problem in majority of games and play 4-5-1 in big games.

Imagine we lined up like this at start of next season

de gea

Darmain

Smalling

Blind

Shaw

Bale

Schneiderlin

Herrera

Memphis

Martial

Ronaldo

Ronaldo and Bale our 2 mega signings next summer. Anchelotti our new manager. We would beat most teams easy enough with that line up, serious pace in the team.

StringerBell · 07-10-2015 09:26AM

Puts Ronaldo and Bale into fantasy team

Leaves Blind at centre back and Memphis as an orthodox left winger

IamtheWalrus · 07-10-2015 09:27AM

LVG has been given a lot of money if he has been given a 'steady the ship' remit. A new manager might not like any of his signings.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 09:41AM

StringerBell wrote: »

Puts Ronaldo and Bale into fantasy team

Leaves Blind at centre back and Memphis as an orthodox left winger

not really a fantasy team in fairness, its 2 new signings, both of which we have been linked with before.

Lovely Bloke · 07-10-2015 09:42AM

Absolutely pointless and ridiculous post including Bale and Ronaldo in some kind of weird fantasyland line up. I mean why even bother with crap like that?

What is the point of it? It will never happen and serves no purpose or addition to the conversation.

bangkok · 07-10-2015 09:49AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Absolutely pointless and ridiculous post including Bale and Ronaldo in some kind of weird fantasyland line up. I mean why even bother with crap like that?

What is the point of it? It will never happen and serves no purpose or addition to the conversation.

talking about 4-4-2 with another poster, says we would need to buy a winger maybe 2. I put Bale down as one of them players and Ronaldo as a new striker.

Yea pointless

dr.kenneth noisewater · 07-10-2015 09:49AM

bangkok wrote: »

not really a fantasy team in fairness, its 2 new signings, both of which we have been linked with before.

Don't know what dreamland you are in if you think Madrid will sell both Ronaldo and Bale in the one summer and to the same team

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