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Brendan Rodgers sacked.

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  • #332
    Caovyn Lineah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭Caovyn Lineah


    MR NINE wrote: »
    A good post, but I have to disagree with this part. In the last decade Liverpool have:

    2005: champions league winners
    2006: fa cup winners
    2007: champions league runners up
    2009: premiership runners up
    2010: Europa league semi finalists
    2012: league cup winners, fa cup runners up
    2014: premiership runners up

    That is not comparable with spurs. Perhaps over the last five years, but definitely not the past decade. Even over the last five years, although admittedly an anomaly, Liverpool have had a campaign that spurs are simply incapable of having. Liverpool aren't as dormant a giant as some people believe. For the entirety of Benitez reign Liverpool were one of biggest and best performing clubs in Europe.

    Spurs have finished ahead of Liverpool in 5 of the last 6 seasons.


  • #333
    MR NINE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭MR NINE


    The big club debate is a bit of a silly one, much like debating whether a player is world class. It's a term that means different things to different people. As far as I can tell the measures of a big club are:

    Trophies won
    Fanbase
    Finances
    Current squad/manager quality

    By two of those measures Liverpool are one of the biggest around. In terms of finances I'd say they're probably top ten. Its current squad/manager quality that lets them down but by that measure Utd are the fourth biggest team in England which I doubt many on here would really agree with.


  • #334
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    And would you rate him higher than LVG?

    Nope


  • #335
    Boskowski
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    I hope Klopp does go to Liverpool, because frankly I think he will be a failure there.

    He is lauded as one of the top managers in the game for doing a good job at Dortmund, but in fact there is little to suggest he will be a guaranteed success anywhere else, the game is full of managers who did well at one club then completely failed to recreate that success at the next.

    You would think Klopp was a legend of the game to hear some of the gushing praise he gets when in fact he could easily be as successful as AVB or Phil Scolari.

    Of course he could be successful, but I certainly won't be placing any bets on it.

    I don't agree. There were other clubs before Dortmund, he didn't get there from the job centre.

    He did a fantastic job with Mainz as a young coach making it all the way from Bundesliga 2 into the UEFA cup and stayed with them even when times got tougher again. Then he lead Dortmund to heights they weren't even dreaming of. He did so with a charismatic personality and a great passion for the game and he won't change his ways at another club. I like the guy, he's what you'd call a right character.
    But he's also paired with serious competence and a love for fast attacking football plus he can form a real bond in the squad. His managerial credentials are beyond doubt imo.

    I'd say if he became Liverpool manager he has a 50% chance of success. I only give him 50% because simply England is different to the Bundesliga, very different. But if he did become manager at Liverpool and succeed it could be the start of something. It's either going to be a spectacular fail or a spectacular success.

    I'm not a great friend of Liverpool but I'd love to see it happening. Popcorn at the ready. I might find myself rooting for them even. :eek:


  • #336
    Caovyn Lineah
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    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Nope

    But you used to right?


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  • #337
    MR NINE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,354 ✭✭✭MR NINE


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    Spurs have finished ahead of Liverpool in 5 of the last 6 seasons.

    Yes, that's why I said over the last five years perhaps they are comparable, but not the last decade. Liverpool have achieved things in the last decade spurs won't achieve for a very very long time if ever. And as I also pointed out, I don't believe spurs are capable of having a campaign like the one Liverpool had two years ago


  • #338
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    But you used to right?

    Van Gaal is more of what we need now

    I would take Klopp when things have settled, that will never happen if he manages Pool you'd think


  • #339
    Shanotheslayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,191 ✭✭✭✭Shanotheslayer


    MR NINE wrote: »
    A good post, but I have to disagree with this part. In the last decade Liverpool have:

    2005: champions league winners
    2006: fa cup winners
    2007: champions league runners up
    2009: premiership runners up
    2010: Europa league semi finalists
    2012: league cup winners, fa cup runners up
    2014: premiership runners up

    That is not comparable with spurs. Perhaps over the last five years, but definitely not the past decade. Even over the last five years, although admittedly an anomaly, Liverpool have had a campaign that spurs are simply incapable of having. Liverpool aren't as dormant a giant as some people believe. For the entirety of Benitez reign Liverpool were one of biggest and best performing clubs in Europe.

    2005: champions league winners
    2006: fa cup winners
    2007: Didn't Win Anything
    2009: Didn't Win Anything
    2010: Didn't Win Anything
    2012: league cup winners
    2014: Didn't Win Anything


  • #340
    Caovyn Lineah
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    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Van Gaal is more of what we need now

    I would take Klopp when things have settled, that will never happen if he manages Pool you'd think

    But you wanted Klopp before LVG was hired.


  • #341
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    So what you are saying is Liverpool are a bigger club than Chelsea and City?

    Interesting opinion you have there

    Far bigger. Chelsea are a still a yoyo club enjoying a rare purple patch in the greater scheme of things. City, despite a richer history, are probably of similar stature

    Both City and Chelsea have better sides than Liverpool, Have been more successful over the last 10 years and are richer, but that doesn't make them bigger. Keep it up and it will, but Liverpool have pedigree. Like Real,Barca, Milan, Ajax, Juve, United. Clubs that have dominated Their domestic leagues and dominated Europe, maintaining a level of success over a prolonged period. These clubs were big 40 years ago, and still are to varying degrees. Can the likes of Chelsea or City do that? I'd be doubtful. Wealth based on stolen oil and human rights violations doesn't last forever


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  • #342
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    But you wanted Klopp before LVG was hired.

    I wanted Van Gaal as well, the club needed to stabilise and Van Gaal was a better option than Klopp for doing so. Klopp or Guardiola after Van Gaal for long term


  • #343
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    Spurs have finished ahead of Liverpool in 5 of the last 6 seasons.

    In fairness they only finished ahead of liverpool last year because liverpool stopped playing 5 games out.


  • #344
    Caovyn Lineah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭Caovyn Lineah


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    I wanted Van Gaal as well, the club needed to stabilise and Van Gaal was a better option than Klopp for doing so. Klopp or Guardiola after Van Gaal for long term

    Why must you lie? These are just 2 of your posts about Klopp before LVG got the United job.
    Rayne Wooney 15:40 21-04-2014
    Yeah but if there is even a sniff of getting someone like Klopp LVG isn't going to be first choice for me
    Rayne Wooney 17:03 17-03-2014
    Klopp is perfect for what we need, his brand of football is magnificent to watch and who knows what he can do with financial muscle behind him.


  • #345
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    glued wrote: »
    I'd say Liverpool are a bigger club than Man City anyway. Chelsea are getting there but they don't really have much history outside of Abramovich.

    Chelsea's only history of note outside of abramovich revolves around their right wing fans hooliganism. They're just footballs version of the National Front Nazi that's grown up, donned a suit and joined UKIP


  • #346
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    But you wanted Klopp before LVG was hired.

    Tbf, that's probably because he doesn't count LVG's success as the majority of it was achieved prior to 2009.


  • #347
    magma69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    Why must you lie?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=90029684&postcount=3230

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89500185&postcount=1243

    That's fantastic. :pac::pac:

    There's a definite sense of insecurity coming from some posters on this thread.

    Getting Klopp would have more of an impact on the club than signing a 40 million player world class player imo.

    Hopefully Klopp will come to Liverpool, early reports suggest negotiations are going well.


  • #348
    Teflon Ron
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    Can't believe some of the rubbish posted by fellow United fans. It's f*cking embarrassing.

    Purely because of the brand of football Klopp's Dortmund played, I'd have taken him over LVG any day.

    First choice would've been Carlo though. His Chelsea team played some of the best football I've seen in the PL.


  • #349
    fyfe79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,284 ✭✭✭fyfe79


    Shanotheslayer wrote: »
    2005: champions league winners
    2006: fa cup winners
    2007: Didn't Win Anything
    2009: Didn't Win Anything
    2010: Didn't Win Anything
    2012: league cup winners
    2014: Didn't Win Anything

    Spurs:
    2005, 06, 07, 09, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14: Didn't win anything
    2008: League cup winners

    I'm not sure of your point here? Spurs finishing in 4th or 5th a few times ahead of Liverpool is more impressive than LFC winning the Champions League and FA Cup, and being runners-up in the Champions League and Premiership?


  • #350
    Liam McPoyle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    Some scutter being posted in here, from sections of both supporters.

    At the end of the day Klopp will be a damn sight better than BR.

    He went toe to toe with the giants of Munich and came out on top more than once.

    He also did well in Europe, something LFC have not done since Rafa's tenure.

    There are some good players at LFC whether some United fans will agree or not.

    LFC are also still a big draw, maybe not on the scale of a Chelsea or a United but they aren't far off it.

    If he does come in then I'd expect him to make a good run at top 4 and a good EL run too.

    Next summer will be very interesting and the following year we will really see his mettle.

    He also seems like a real character, something, aside from LVG, the premiership has been lacking for some time.

    He may well fall flat on his face but there is just as much chance of him making LFC genuine title contenders.

    IMO if any United fans say they arent a bit concerned and that they won't be looking over their shoulder then they are either deluded or liars.


  • #351
    brianregan09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭brianregan09


    Spurs and Liverpool are one and the same the last few years bar the suarezcharged Liverpool that nearly won the title neither side as done much else in the last 5+ years bar squander massive amounts of money on rubbish players


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  • #352
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    brianregan09 wrote: »
    Spurs and Liverpool are one and the same the last few years bar the suarezcharged Liverpool that nearly won the title neither side as done much else in the last 5+ years bar squander massive amounts of money on rubbish players

    I don't agree there all rubbish players. Lot of decent players at liverpool if they are set up right. I mean one world class players and they nearly won the league so they can't be that bad.


  • #353
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    MightyMandarin wrote: »
    What evidence do you have to say that he's not interested? Because everything I've seen from him and his people indicates that he's interested in managing a club of our level.

    Such as? I only caught up on the news today in work (football coverage in Toronto is fairly gash), but I have yet to see anything indicated in either direction beyond Liverpool wanting him - not vice versa.
    adox wrote: »
    Who do think will then? I think he's a shoe in for the job and it will be a real coup for Liverpool.

    They obviously have some one lined up, with the timing of the Rodgers sacking.

    I don't see Ancelloti going there so it looks like Klopp to me.

    Not a clue, but my point is not that Klopp is not the right guy for Liverpool - it is that I would not expect him to accept an offer from them, they just don't have the "pull factors" as far as I am concerned. And that is doubly true for Ancelotti.

    I expect someone of quite a lower stature, to be honest.

    EDIT: To add though, yeah it would be a massive coup if Liverpool got him. I think he was the number 1 guy I wanted for Man Utd both last summer (LVG), and the year (Moyes) before also.


  • #354
    magma69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Such as? I only caught up on the news today in work (football coverage in Toronto is fairly gash), but I have yet to see anything indicated in either direction beyond Liverpool wanting him - not vice versa.



    Not a clue, but my point is not that Klopp is not the right guy for Liverpool - it is that I would not expect him to accept an offer from them, they just don't have the "pull factors" as far as I am concerned. And that is doubly true for Ancelotti.

    I expect someone of quite a lower stature, to be honest.

    He's 1/10 odds to go to Liverpool. If that isn't an indication that he's likely to go I don't know what is.


  • #355
    Billy86
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    magma69 wrote: »
    He's 1/10 odds to go to Liverpool. If that isn't an indication that he's likely to go I don't know what is.

    Bookies odds on things like managerial appointments and transfers rarely mean much of anything. If someone went and put a hefty bet on De Boer right now, it completely shifts it and could even make him the favourite. Hence these "huge shifts" SSN and such blather on about in the odds that often amount to nothing.

    De Boer also might not be a bad option either, mind.


  • #356
    niallo27
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    magma69 wrote: »
    He's 1/10 odds to go to Liverpool. If that isn't an indication that he's likely to go I don't know what is.

    He is shortening on the exchange all day which is a better indication


  • #357
    magma69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Bookies odds on things like managerial appointments and transfers rarely mean much of anything. If someone went and put a hefty bet on De Boer right now, it completely shifts it and could even make him the favourite. Hence these "huge shifts" SSN and such blather on about in the odds that often amount to nothing.

    De Boer also might not be a bad option either, mind.

    We also know he's actually in talks with Liverpool too.

    I get the feeling that you simply don't want to entertain the notion of Klopp with Liverpool but there's certainly more evidence to think he'll join than the managers you expect them to get in.


  • #358
    Caovyn Lineah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭Caovyn Lineah


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Bookies odds on things like managerial appointments and transfers rarely mean much of anything. If someone went and put a hefty bet on De Boer right now, it completely shifts it and could even make him the favourite. Hence these "huge shifts" SSN and such blather on about in the odds that often amount to nothing.

    De Boer also might not be a bad option either, mind.

    DeBoer has said he won't be taking the job. It will be Klopp, time to just accept it.


  • #359
    magma69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,629 ✭✭✭magma69


    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34448282

    Talks with Klopp progressing well.


  • #360
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Caovyn Lineah wrote: »
    Why must you lie? These are just 2 of your posts about Klopp before LVG got the United job.

    Lol

    Why didn't you post the dates for the first one, oh because it must have been a year and a half ago and Dortmund fell apart in the mean time?


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  • #361
    Caovyn Lineah
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭Caovyn Lineah


    Rayne Wooney wrote: »
    Lol

    Why didn't you post the dates for the first one, oh because it must have been a year and a half ago and Dortmund fell apart in the mean time?

    I'll throw up the date now, 2 seconds.

    Now, there you go. Just a month between the 2 posts.


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