Summer 2015 Transfer Window General Discussion

Hangballlouie · 01-09-2015 07:35PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

Money talks

But it don't sing and dance
And it don't walk.

Iused2likebusts · 01-09-2015 07:44PM

jpboard1 wrote: »

Who will go to them?

I'd say real will go in for hazard or aguero next summer so utd would be in the mix to get one of benzema Ronaldo or bale. Basically this is when the English teams buy off real and barca when they feel they have strengthened and want to offload a player . Sanchez Pedro ozil adm fabregas. The current strategy of persuing players at these clubs that are currently key players isn't going to work as these players won't want to take a step down.

theoneeyedman · 01-09-2015 08:39PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Next summers transfer window is going to be nuts when the new tv money kicks in if clubs are will to pay £36m for a teenage player with one full season under his belt what will a player cost this time next year.

This time next year, that lad will be off on loan at Bournemouth or Brugge or somewhere like that.......

glued · 01-09-2015 08:45PM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

This time next year, that lad will be off on loan at Bournemouth or Brugge or somewhere like that.......

Do you want to place a bet on that?

€100 charity bet?

He's a good player and a great talent but he's not worth that money. It's a bit insane considering you could probably get Fekir for that price, who is much further long in his development. It'll be interesting to see what Lacazette goes for next Summer. It's been hinted that when Ibra leaves PSG that Lacazette is his replacement and PSG wanted to sign him this summer. With Martial going for around £36M you could easily add £15M on to that price now. Fekir is worth £150M on that scale.

Ferris_Bueller · 01-09-2015 10:01PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Think Utd didn't sign a top striker for the same reason Arsenal didn't, the same reason Chelsea signed Falcao. There weren't any around who were gettable.

Fair enough point. Does that make Liverpool fans any happier that they signed Benteke in the end? There was a bit of a divide among fans before they signed him. Would Arsenal or United fans have taken Benteke for the same price?

I think Uniteds biggest mistake was not getting Pedro. He would have fitted in perfectly, and not only did they miss out on him but he went to a rival.

jpboard1 · 01-09-2015 10:03PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Fair enough point. Does that make Liverpool fans any happier that they signed Benteke in the end? There was a bit of a divide among fans before they signed him. Would Arsenal or United fans have taken Benteke for the same price?

I think Uniteds biggest mistake was not getting Pedro. He would have fitted in perfectly, and not only did they miss out on him but he went to a rival.

Why would you think he would have fitted in perfectly?

01-09-2015 10:40PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's bad for Utd in the sense he now leaves for free.

It wouldn't be outlandish to suggest he would have commanded near 50m if he had 2 or 3 years left on his contract. Letting his current contract run down was the biggest mistake Utd made.

Also, now they are left with a player u til Christmas at least that probably doesn't want to be there. Not to mention missing out on his replacement.

I'd say heads will roll over this clusterfcuk

Please tell me how you know he's now going to leave on a free?

Pure tosh your posting you have absolutely no idea what's going to happen from now until the next transfer window

Ferris_Bueller · 01-09-2015 10:42PM

jpboard1 wrote: »

Why would you think he would have fitted in perfectly?

Well he would have provided an option as a striker and as a wide forward as well which are two positions they need other options in. I'd imagine he'd start almost every game for them, whereas if they just signed an out and out centre forward would they start every game if Rooney finds form again?

rwbug · 01-09-2015 10:46PM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

This time next year, that lad will be off on loan at Bournemouth or Brugge or somewhere like that.......

More likely than that is him falling out with LVG - for something silly like trying to beat a player or playing a risky through ball.

Subcomandante Marcos · 02-09-2015 04:37AM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Please tell me how you know he's now going to leave on a free?

Because he wants to leave, he wants to go to Madrid and Real know it.

The absolute best united can hope for is that LVG is pig headed enough to not play him in the CL so he's not cup tied or Real decide to be generous and pay a small fee in January to play him in La Liga while playing Navas in Europe like they did with Lopez and Casillas.

If he decides to tough out the rest of his United contract he will be able to ask for absolutely insane wages, a hefty signing bonus and lots of nice extras thanks to the fact that Real won't have to pay a fee for him. It's win win for him and Real right now.

Real are in a pretty nice position, their current 'keeper is pretty bloody good, they don't really need to replace him, he's probably still one of the top 2 'keepers in La Liga.

United are sitting with a busted flush and no way of buying back in.

Heads should roll in Old Trafford for this.

Cookiemunster · 02-09-2015 08:21AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because he wants to leave, he wants to go to Madrid and Real know it.

The absolute best united can hope for is that LVG is pig headed enough to not play him in the CL so he's not cup tied or Real decide to be generous and pay a small fee in January to play him in La Liga while playing Navas in Europe like they did with Lopez and Casillas.

If he decides to tough out the rest of his United contract he will be able to ask for absolutely insane wages, a hefty signing bonus and lots of nice extras thanks to the fact that Real won't have to pay a fee for him. It's win win for him and Real right now.

Real are in a pretty nice position, their current 'keeper is pretty bloody good, they don't really need to replace him, he's probably still one of the top 2 'keepers in La Liga.

United are sitting with a busted flush and no way of buying back in.

Heads should roll in Old Trafford for this.

Why? Utd were happy enough to do the transfer and Real fcuked it up. How is that the fault of anyone at Utd?
Plus after this debacle Navas is not a happy camper. He knows he's out the door ASAP.

RayCon · 02-09-2015 08:27AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Why? Utd were happy enough to do the transfer and Real fcuked it up.

... but were Utd only happy to do the transfer because they really had no option due to situation described above by Subcomandante Marcos ?

You can't honestly tell me they were happy to do the transfer because they no longer viewed De Gea as essential.

Giggsy11 · 02-09-2015 08:29AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Because he wants to leave, he wants to go to Madrid and Real know it.

The absolute best united can hope for is that LVG is pig headed enough to not play him in the CL so he's not cup tied or Real decide to be generous and pay a small fee in January to play him in La Liga while playing Navas in Europe like they did with Lopez and Casillas.

If he decides to tough out the rest of his United contract he will be able to ask for absolutely insane wages, a hefty signing bonus and lots of nice extras thanks to the fact that Real won't have to pay a fee for him. It's win win for him and Real right now.

Real are in a pretty nice position, their current 'keeper is pretty bloody good, they don't really need to replace him, he's probably still one of the top 2 'keepers in La Liga.

United are sitting with a busted flush and no way of buying back in.

Heads should roll in Old Trafford for this.

FFS. It's united, small fee they can take it and shove it. We are not talking about Udinese or similar clubs who depend on transfer income.

It's unreal people are blaming United for this saga. What should they have done? Beg Madrid to sign him before the transfer window shut?

Now Madrid have unhappy keeper who they tried to force him out and also failed to sign their transfer target.

On the other hand ManUtd have one of the best GK for 1 more year and have enough time to search for replacement.

Quazzie · 02-09-2015 08:31AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

FFS. It's united, small fee they can take it and shove it. We are not talking about Udinese or similar clubs who depend on transfer income.

It's unreal people are blaming United for this saga. What should they have done? Beg Madrid to sign him before the transfer window shut?

Now Madrid have unhappy keeper who they tried to force him out and also failed to sign their transfer target.

On the other hand ManUtd have one of the best GK for 1 more year and have enough time to search for replacement.

So Real have an unhappy keeper, and it's a bad thing, but United have an unhappy keeper and it's a good thing???

Giggsy11 · 02-09-2015 08:32AM

RayCon wrote: »

... but were Utd only happy to do the transfer because they really had no option due to situation described above by Subcomandante Marcos ?

You can't honestly tell me they were happy to do the transfer because they no longer viewed De Gea as essential.

Madrid contacted Manutd on the last day, at lunch time.

United were happy to do transfer as long as Navas was part of the deal and it took so many days for Madrid to make acceptable bid.

This is the club that just paid 36 Million for 19 year old who played around 60 games, they don't care much about 20 odd million when they can retain player for 1 more year and their training kit sponsorship deal covers most of this transfer.

Giggsy11 · 02-09-2015 08:33AM

Quazzie wrote: »

So Real have an unhappy keeper, and it's a bad thing, but United have an unhappy keeper and it's a good thing???

Madrid have unhappy keeper they tried to force out.

United have unhappy keeper who wanted out but the buying club ****ed it up. Now ManUtd have one of the best keeper for 1 more year.

Cookiemunster · 02-09-2015 08:33AM

RayCon wrote: »

... but were Utd only happy to do the transfer because they really had no option due to situation described above by Subcomandante Marcos ?

You can't honestly tell me they were happy to do the transfer because they no longer viewed De Gea as essential.

De Gea was offered a huge new contract a year ago, which he decided not to sign. What were Utd supposed to do? They'd prefer to keep him and let him see out his contract as he's one of the best in the world and the team is better with him in it, but were willing to let him go for the right price.
Real knew that all summer, but didn't meet that price until the last day and then fcuked up the deal at the last minute.
I fail to see why heads should roll at OT over this.

Plus there's reports this morning that Navas is so pissed off at his treatment that he contacted Utd yesterday to see if his transfer could be resurrected.

Paully D · 02-09-2015 08:43AM

How can any Manchester United fan be happy with the breakdown of the De Gea deal?

He clearly doesn't want to be there and the deal was getting a reasonably good goalkeeper and a very generous fee for someone in the last year of their contract. Instead, there's now an obviously extremely disappointed goalkeeper there who will be difficult to motivate, and he'll now be lost for a significantly reduced fee in January or for nothing in the summer.

A cock up that's no good for anyone concerned, no matter how people are trying to spin it.

Cookiemunster · 02-09-2015 08:48AM

Paully D wrote: »

How can any Manchester United fan be happy with the breakdown of the De Gea deal?

He clearly doesn't want to be there and the deal was getting a reasonably good goalkeeper and a very generous fee for someone in the last year of their contract. Instead, there's now an obviously extremely disappointed goalkeeper there who will be difficult to motivate, and he'll now be lost for a significantly reduced fee in January or for nothing in the summer.

A cock up that's no good for anyone concerned, no matter how people are trying to spin it.

I'm not denying that it would have probably been better for everyone if the deal had gone through, but I'm not having the BS that Utd are to blame for any of this. It's 100% Reals fault that the transfer was left until that last day of the transfer window and 100% Reals fault that it collapsed.

Lovely Bloke · 02-09-2015 08:50AM

Do people really, really, expect DDG to start playing like he's some uninterested U16 hormonal boy, or do people expect him to be a professional and play to the best of his ability. ESPECIALLY with the Euro's next summer. He'll, of course, be looking to maintain his form, fitness and maximise his chances of being the Spain #1.

Beefy78 · 02-09-2015 08:53AM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Madrid contacted Manutd on the last day, at lunch time.

United were happy to do transfer as long as Navas was part of the deal and it took so many days for Madrid to make acceptable bid.

This is the club that just paid 36 Million for 19 year old who played around 60 games, they don't care much about 20 odd million when they can retain player for 1 more year and their training kit sponsorship deal covers most of this transfer.

But you're acting as if de Gea is just another Manchester United player who Madrid out of the blue have decided they want to buy.

The reality is that this is a player who has made so clear that he wants to leave that United have felt unable to play him this season. He has refused to sign a contract and made it clear through the media that he wants to join a specific club.

Man United we already know have been speaking to Real Madrid throughout this summer both about de Gea and also about Sergio Ramos. It is pretty incredible that they didn't manage to broker a deal and seemingly didn't seriously try until this week.

Real Madrid don't care either way, they're seemingly more than happy to get possibly the best goalkeeper in the World on a free transfer. Man United just now seem to be assuming that they're going to be able to put a pissed off young man back in goal and hope that he is still the same player he was last season despite not wanting to be there and having no real reason beyond professionalism (and again, this is a player who the club have felt unable to play this season which does not speak well of his professionalism) to care about whether they win games and finish in the top four.

I guess I understand the desire of Manchester United fans to blindly back their club - especially on somewhere like Boards which so frequently sees threads descend into dick swinging contests with rival fans - but are there any neutrals here who don't think that Manchester United have horribly mismanaged the entire situation?

Beefy78 · 02-09-2015 08:54AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Do people really, really, expect DDG to start playing like he's some uninterested U16 hormonal boy, or do people expect him to be a professional and play to the best of his ability. ESPECIALLY with the Euro's next summer. He'll, of course, be looking to maintain his form, fitness and maximise his chances of being the Spain #1.

Why has he not played this season until now if he is this model pro?

Lovely Bloke · 02-09-2015 08:55AM

...and another thing, this "United should have tied him down to a contract last year/2 years ago" bullshít that all the captain hindsights are coming out with.

1. how do you know he wasn't offered it then?
2. if he was and refused, should they have sold him then? Really?

I'd love to know what all the master negotiators in here would have done with DDG last summer when they offered him the bumper contract and he refused to sign it, saying "nah, I'll let my contract wind down and see what happens, in fact, if Madrid come in earlier I'll probably like to go there, so get what you can for me whenever you can, until then I'll play like the pro I am".

Do I think DDG was "mentally unprepared" since the start of the season? Maybe he was, Madrid had been throwing shapes at him all summer, but seemingly never bid until Lunchtime monday. LVG did the RIGHT thing leaving him out until the window shut, the responsible thing for the team he manages, looks like it's losing the #1 GK, so give the guy who's probably his replacement game time, it was the prudent thing to do.

dfx- · 02-09-2015 08:57AM

It pretty much all depends on whether Madrid get a transfer or registration ban for two windows. If he then can't sign until the season after next, he has to get his head down..

Lovely Bloke · 02-09-2015 08:57AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

having no real reason beyond professionalism (and again, this is a player who the club have felt unable to play this season which does not speak well of his professionalism) to care about whether they win games and finish in the top four.

Please, list examples of players at any other club who have reasons beyond professionalism to want the club they play for to do well?

I think the last of them moved out to LA this summer tbh.

Giggsy11 · 02-09-2015 09:01AM

Beefy78 wrote: »

But you're acting as if de Gea is just another Manchester United player who Madrid out of the blue have decided they want to buy.

The reality is that this is a player who has made so clear that he wants to leave that United have felt unable to play him this season. He has refused to sign a contract and made it clear through the media that he wants to join a specific club.

Man United we already know have been speaking to Real Madrid throughout this summer both about de Gea and also about Sergio Ramos. It is pretty incredible that they didn't manage to broker a deal and seemingly didn't seriously try until this week.

Real Madrid don't care either way, they're seemingly more than happy to get possibly the best goalkeeper in the World on a free transfer. Man United just now seem to be assuming that they're going to be able to put a pissed off young man back in goal and hope that he is still the same player he was last season despite not wanting to be there and having no real reason beyond professionalism (and again, this is a player who the club have felt unable to play this season which does not speak well of his professionalism) to care about whether they win games and finish in the top four.

I guess I understand the desire of Manchester United fans to blindly back their club - especially on somewhere like Boards which so frequently sees threads descend into dick swinging contests with rival fans - but are there any neutrals here who don't think that Manchester United have horribly mismanaged the entire situation?

Madrid were the buying club but ManUtd should have initiated the transfer? Wasn't it clear from both statements that acceptable offer was made on the last day?

Also just because the transfer didn't happen De Gea will sulk and play to his worst? Next year there is Euro 2016 and for him to get into the squad he should be playing and at his best.

Madrid don't care? So are ManUtd. They are happy with De Gea for 1 more year and lose him for nothing and that was the stance from the club from day 1 if the acceptable offer was not made.

In the grand scheme 20 odd million counts for nothing for the club that has one of the highest turnovers.

Your assumption is that just because transfer didnt happen player will be pissed off and won't play to his best and that's where I disagree.

BTW Van Gaal said once the window shuts De Gea will play.

Beefy78 · 02-09-2015 09:02AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Please, list examples of players at any other club who have reasons beyond professionalism to want the club they play for to do well?

I think the last of them moved out to LA this summer tbh.

I'd have thought that every player would want the club to succeed so that they will succeed. They want the club to finish in the top four so that they can play in the Champions League. They want to avoid relegation so that they don't have to play in the lower leagues.

Look at QPR's continual struggles when they sign overpaid mercenaries who couldn't give a **** if they get relegated or not because they know that they won't be there the next season.

My club got promoted at Wembley a few months ago. It meant all the players got to play at a higher level and probably earn more money for it. Of course that has to be a massively motivating factor for them.

Lovely Bloke · 02-09-2015 09:05AM

yeah, so why is DDG different, in this instance? Why do none of them things apply to him?

rwbug · 02-09-2015 09:06AM

Man City signed Florian Lejeune from Girona, and loaned him straight back to Girona
Man City signed Ruben Sobrino from Ponferradina and loaned to Girona
Man City youngster Nwakali loaned to Girona

Man City seem to be bankrolling Spanish side Girona, a team Peps brother Pere Guardiola is involved with.

symbolic · 02-09-2015 09:31AM

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

yeah, so why is DDG different, in this instance? Why do none of them things apply to him?

Why hasn't he played this season? Has that been alluded to anywhere?

If he starts the next game then you'd imagine his head is back I the game and good to go as normal.

Summer 2015 Transfer Window General Discussion

Comments